Woman kicked off plane for breast-feeding baby

[RaiderJ]

She should have just covered things up with a blanket.

But...the article did say she wasn't showing anything. That being the case then the airline overreacted. Women who bare all to breastfeed should be more modest (other countries be damned - I don't want to see it).

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: SSP
God, whats the BFD with breast feeding in public? I never get why some guys are so offended by it.

LOL!! the Guys aren't offended, their Jealous!! :laugh:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Breastfeeding on a plane is different from breastfeeding in a public area (say, a park). If someone is offended, he/she cannot leave the plane; in a large public area, he/she can go somewhere else. The airline is right in this case.

What if I get bothered by the morbidly obese woman sitting on the row next to me? Can I get her to leave the plane since I'm offended by it?

If you OWN THE PLANE, sure, why not?

If a fat smelly person comes into your house and you're offended, would you think twice before asking them to leave (or making up a lame excuse to get them to leave)?

What people keep seeming to forget here is a plane is private property. Most of you and I obviously do not agree with their decision... but it's their decision to make since it's THEIR PLANE.

Not entirely true.
Let's see how well off they'll be if they didn't allow blacks onto the plane. They'd quickly get sued and put under. The law isn't that simple.

Those are inherent traits and protected by federal law. Hardly the same as actions.

Where does it stop? Can I claim protected status if I want to suck on my GF's tits in a private establishment?

At any rate, calls for laws on this are yet another erosion of private property rights. And people claim slippery slopes don't exist...

 

[beemercer]

She should have used a blanket or gone into the bathroom.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Breastfeeding on a plane is different from breastfeeding in a public area (say, a park). If someone is offended, he/she cannot leave the plane; in a large public area, he/she can go somewhere else. The airline is right in this case.

What if I get bothered by the morbidly obese woman sitting on the row next to me? Can I get her to leave the plane since I'm offended by it?

If you OWN THE PLANE, sure, why not?

If a fat smelly person comes into your house and you're offended, would you think twice before asking them to leave (or making up a lame excuse to get them to leave)?

What people keep seeming to forget here is a plane is private property. Most of you and I obviously do not agree with their decision... but it's their decision to make since it's THEIR PLANE.

Not entirely true.
Let's see how well off they'll be if they didn't allow blacks onto the plane. They'd quickly get sued and put under. The law isn't that simple.

Those are inherent traits and protected by federal law. Hardly the same as actions.

Where does it stop? Can I claim protected status if I want to suck on my GF's tits in a private establishment?

At any rate, calls for laws on this are yet another erosion of private property rights. And people claim slippery slopes don't exist...

Exactly.. that's why it's not, "It's my private property, I can do whatever the heck I want." There are limitations depending on the circumstances. And most people would agree that breast feeding should be one of those circumstances as seen in the poll.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Breastfeeding on a plane is different from breastfeeding in a public area (say, a park). If someone is offended, he/she cannot leave the plane; in a large public area, he/she can go somewhere else. The airline is right in this case.

What if I get bothered by the morbidly obese woman sitting on the row next to me? Can I get her to leave the plane since I'm offended by it?

If you OWN THE PLANE, sure, why not?

If a fat smelly person comes into your house and you're offended, would you think twice before asking them to leave (or making up a lame excuse to get them to leave)?

What people keep seeming to forget here is a plane is private property. Most of you and I obviously do not agree with their decision... but it's their decision to make since it's THEIR PLANE.

Not entirely true.
Let's see how well off they'll be if they didn't allow blacks onto the plane. They'd quickly get sued and put under. The law isn't that simple.

Those are inherent traits and protected by federal law. Hardly the same as actions.

Where does it stop? Can I claim protected status if I want to suck on my GF's tits in a private establishment?

At any rate, calls for laws on this are yet another erosion of private property rights. And people claim slippery slopes don't exist...

Exactly.. that's why it's not, "It's my private property, I can do whatever the heck I want." There are limitations depending on the circumstances. And most people would agree that breast feeding should be one of those circumstances as seen in the poll.

So popular opinion rather than individual choice should dictate what property owners should allow?

What ever happened to individual rights?

 

[irishScott]

She should have accepted the blanket to be prudent. To take a stand was to invite reprecussions. I admit that the airline overreacted but she brought it on herself when she didn't accept the blanket.

 

[BW86]

BULLSHIT

 

[Trikat]

A flight attendant tried to hand her a blanket and told her to cover up, Gillette said. She declined, telling the flight attendant she had a legal right to breast-feed her baby.

She deserves to be kicked off the plane...

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Breastfeeding on a plane is different from breastfeeding in a public area (say, a park). If someone is offended, he/she cannot leave the plane; in a large public area, he/she can go somewhere else. The airline is right in this case.

What if I get bothered by the morbidly obese woman sitting on the row next to me? Can I get her to leave the plane since I'm offended by it?

If you OWN THE PLANE, sure, why not?

If a fat smelly person comes into your house and you're offended, would you think twice before asking them to leave (or making up a lame excuse to get them to leave)?

What people keep seeming to forget here is a plane is private property. Most of you and I obviously do not agree with their decision... but it's their decision to make since it's THEIR PLANE.

Not entirely true.
Let's see how well off they'll be if they didn't allow blacks onto the plane. They'd quickly get sued and put under. The law isn't that simple.

Those are inherent traits and protected by federal law. Hardly the same as actions.

Where does it stop? Can I claim protected status if I want to suck on my GF's tits in a private establishment?

At any rate, calls for laws on this are yet another erosion of private property rights. And people claim slippery slopes don't exist...

Exactly.. that's why it's not, "It's my private property, I can do whatever the heck I want." There are limitations depending on the circumstances. And most people would agree that breast feeding should be one of those circumstances as seen in the poll.

So popular opinion rather than individual choice should dictate what property owners should allow?

What ever happened to individual rights?

Um it's obviously not as simple as that.
An airline company isn't simply a property owner lumped into the same group as joe texan hick with his ranch out in the middle of nowhere.
They offer a public service. That's why there are laws requiring them of certain things, such as not discriminating against races or religion. But can you discriminate towards who you want to come into your house? Sure, why not? But can private companies such as airlines do it? No. To just simply state a group that general is just ludicrous.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Breastfeeding on a plane is different from breastfeeding in a public area (say, a park). If someone is offended, he/she cannot leave the plane; in a large public area, he/she can go somewhere else. The airline is right in this case.

What if I get bothered by the morbidly obese woman sitting on the row next to me? Can I get her to leave the plane since I'm offended by it?

If you OWN THE PLANE, sure, why not?

If a fat smelly person comes into your house and you're offended, would you think twice before asking them to leave (or making up a lame excuse to get them to leave)?

What people keep seeming to forget here is a plane is private property. Most of you and I obviously do not agree with their decision... but it's their decision to make since it's THEIR PLANE.

Not entirely true.
Let's see how well off they'll be if they didn't allow blacks onto the plane. They'd quickly get sued and put under. The law isn't that simple.

Those are inherent traits and protected by federal law. Hardly the same as actions.

Where does it stop? Can I claim protected status if I want to suck on my GF's tits in a private establishment?

At any rate, calls for laws on this are yet another erosion of private property rights. And people claim slippery slopes don't exist...

Exactly.. that's why it's not, "It's my private property, I can do whatever the heck I want." There are limitations depending on the circumstances. And most people would agree that breast feeding should be one of those circumstances as seen in the poll.

So popular opinion rather than individual choice should dictate what property owners should allow?

What ever happened to individual rights?

Um it's obviously not as simple as that.
An airline company isn't simply a property owner lumped into the same group as joe texan hick with his ranch out in the middle of nowhere.
They offer a public service. That's why there are laws requiring them of certain things, such as not discriminating against races or religion. But can you discriminate towards who you want to come into your house? Sure, why not? But can private companies such as airlines do it? No. To just simply state a group that general is just ludicrous.

Tell me, can a business discriminate against people who use foul langange on the property? Can they discriminate against people who break their rules? Can a theater discriminate against a loud patron? Can Anand remove anyone he likes from this board if they do something that offends him?

Of course they can. And a business should be allowed to discriminate against anything that offends them, or their patrons so long as it does not violate the civil rights laws. Breast feeding is NOT the same as race and religion. It is an action. One that can be delayed until off the property.

Adding breast feeding to the protected classes is absurd. It creates a slippery slope.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: djheater
Here is a good article with a few pediatricians making intelligent responses to a case scenario of a mother being concerned by the continued nursing requests of an 18 month old.

It is implied in several responses that weaning age is a function of societal norms. There are several cultures which practice nursing to 3-4, there is also historical context for nursing to this age.

The scientific data is not sufficient to determine whether extended nursing provides any nutritional or health benefit, the general consensus is that it does in fact provide an emotional benefit to those children and mothers who engage in it.

Let me be clear.
1) The American societal norm is to wean before 1 year (most at 6 months). There is signficant scietnific data to support nursing to one year.
2) There is no evidence that nursing beyond a year provides any meaningful health benefit, but participants report there is a positive emotional consituent.
3) There is no evidence that nursing beyond a year is harmful.
4) Opposition to nursing beyond a year is a cultural phenomenon.

I think it's meaningful for people to examine why they support or oppose breastfeeding beyond a year.
If it harms no one, and children and mothers find a benefit in it, why is there such opposition to it?

In the end it's a tempest in a teakettle. People should practice the thoroughly American norm of minding their own fvcking business.

i dont really have anything constructive to add, but i did find it to be amusing that no one replied to this post. it makes too much sense for people here i think.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: Stumps
The United States of America....land of the prude.

We really are silly... in the land where preachers have porno collections, the public loves crime scene investigation TV shows that discuss nasty sh1t, folks get all bent over some woman whipping a boob out and feeding her kid.

 

[bubbadu]

Of course this had to happen in Burlington FVCKING HIPPIES. On the news tonight they had about 25 mothers breast fedding in the fvcking airport to protest. HAHHAHA. I have a flight at 6:30 tomorrow night to columbus for "the game". I did see some MILFS, maybe they will still be there FTW!

 

[OCNewbie]

I can't help but share this clip, someone mentioned breast feeding till 5 or 6, etc.

I want bitty!

Nice rack on the blonde too :shocked:

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Breastfeeding on a plane is different from breastfeeding in a public area (say, a park). If someone is offended, he/she cannot leave the plane; in a large public area, he/she can go somewhere else. The airline is right in this case.

I am offended by people with cellphones. Please kick them off my airplane.

I'm offended by fat smelly people...and people with bad gas. Please kick them off my airplane as well.

When either of you have your own airplane, I will gladly support your right to kick whomever you want off of it. In my restaraunt I provide a public service, and I can and have kicked people out for being to loud on a cell phone or too smelly. I don't allow smoking either, even though in my state it is still legal to smoke in eateries.

I see a lot of people getting angry because they feel this womans rights were violated, but what about the rights of the property owners? Even though the airline may have overreacted, they were well within thier rights to kick her off.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Thorny

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Breastfeeding on a plane is different from breastfeeding in a public area (say, a park). If someone is offended, he/she cannot leave the plane; in a large public area, he/she can go somewhere else. The airline is right in this case.

I am offended by people with cellphones. Please kick them off my airplane.

I'm offended by fat smelly people...and people with bad gas. Please kick them off my airplane as well.

When either of you have your own airplane, I will gladly support your right to kick whomever you want off of it. In my restaraunt I provide a public service, and I can and have kicked people out for being to loud on a cell phone or too smelly. I don't allow smoking either, even though in my state it is still legal to smoke in eateries.

I see a lot of people getting angry because they feel this womans rights were violated, but what about the rights of the property owners? Even though the airline may have overreacted, they were well within thier rights to kick her off.

She was being uncooperative and unreasonable. They didn't ask her to stop breastfeeding her 2 yr old just to cover up her milk bags. Obviously they were viewable or else they wouldn't have asked her to cover up.

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: djheater
Here is a good article with a few pediatricians making intelligent responses to a case scenario of a mother being concerned by the continued nursing requests of an 18 month old.

It is implied in several responses that weaning age is a function of societal norms. There are several cultures which practice nursing to 3-4, there is also historical context for nursing to this age.

The scientific data is not sufficient to determine whether extended nursing provides any nutritional or health benefit, the general consensus is that it does in fact provide an emotional benefit to those children and mothers who engage in it.

Let me be clear.
1) The American societal norm is to wean before 1 year (most at 6 months). There is signficant scietnific data to support nursing to one year.
2) There is no evidence that nursing beyond a year provides any meaningful health benefit, but participants report there is a positive emotional consituent.
3) There is no evidence that nursing beyond a year is harmful.
4) Opposition to nursing beyond a year is a cultural phenomenon.

I think it's meaningful for people to examine why they support or oppose breastfeeding beyond a year.
If it harms no one, and children and mothers find a benefit in it, why is there such opposition to it?

In the end it's a tempest in a teakettle. People should practice the thoroughly American norm of minding their own fvcking business.

i dont really have anything constructive to add, but i did find it to be amusing that no one replied to this post. it makes too much sense for people here i think.

3rd law of OT: Attention to a post is in direct inverse proportion to the amount of time and thought that went into it.

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Airline overreacted.

If you can do it in public, then you should be able to do it on a plane.

It seems she was pretty well hidden - almost last row, by the window, and her husband sit near her, and the seats clear until the aisle.
Another thing - the flight attendants did it by their own, no passengers complained about it.

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
That baby is almost 2 years old. What the hell is it still breast-feeding for?

How should they feed him? They can't take liquids on the plane

 

[dxkj]

If you can remember breastfeeding, it went on too long.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Calin

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
That baby is almost 2 years old. What the hell is it still breast-feeding for?

How should they feed him? They can't take liquids on the plane

Baby formula/pumped breast milk was exempted from the liquid ban from the beginning.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/threat-change.shtm

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Calin

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
That baby is almost 2 years old. What the hell is it still breast-feeding for?

How should they feed him? They can't take liquids on the plane

Baby formula/pumped breast milk was exempted from the liquid ban from the beginning.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/threat-change.shtm

In my experience the majority of breastfeeding mothers, who are comfortable feeding in public don't view expressing as a viable alternative.

Considering that breastfeeding is allowed on planes there would be no rational reason why she would think she must express and bottle before boarding.
That being said, it wasn't the fact that she was breastfeeding that got her kicked off, it was that she would not comply with the flight attendants request.
At issue is whether the request is reasonable.
If it is true that no passengers complained and the attendant was acting alone, it begs the question whether or not she was acting in the best interest of the owners. Honestly, considering the bad press, I doubt they'll agree she was.

If she was acting on her own, without a request from a passenger, then one wonders why she felt the need to act at all. Why did she feel the nursing child should be covered, and why was non-compliance with the request unreasonable?

 

[ch33zw1z]

everyone else gets a snack...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: djheater

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Calin

Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
That baby is almost 2 years old. What the hell is it still breast-feeding for?

How should they feed him? They can't take liquids on the plane

Baby formula/pumped breast milk was exempted from the liquid ban from the beginning.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/happenings/threat-change.shtm

In my experience the majority of breastfeeding mothers, who are comfortable feeding in public don't view expressing as a viable alternative.

Considering that breastfeeding is allowed on planes there would be no rational reason why she would think she must express and bottle before boarding.
That being said, it wasn't the fact that she was breastfeeding that got her kicked off, it was that she would not comply with the flight attendants request.
At issue is whether the request is reasonable.
If it is true that no passengers complained and the attendant was acting alone, it begs the question whether or not she was acting in the best interest of the owners. Honestly, considering the bad press, I doubt they'll agree she was.

If she was acting on her own, without a request from a passenger, then one wonders why she felt the need to act at all. Why did she feel the nursing child should be covered, and why was non-compliance with the request unreasonable?

Thank you DJ, I am glad to see their is at least one person in OT with common sense.

We don't know all of the story but it does appear to be an Agenda on the part of the attendant in my opinion as well.

Sad to see that it is also the same agenda as the majority in OT.

Oh the noessssss I see a breast :roll:

This coming from the very same ones that drool over every pic of a woman.

This shows the majority of them wouldn't know what to do with a woman's breast much less the woman at all.