Woman mauled by dogs has leg amputated

[Ns1]

injuries are injuries. if you're 50x's more likely to trip over a small dog than get bit by a big dog, why would you run the risk of getting injured with the small dog?

because injury by small dog doesn't lead to death?

I'll just leave this here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2010

 

[Ns1]

here is the article you are referring to and this:

The CDC report did not determine whether individuals have died from pet-related falls, although Stevens said it was highly unlikely. Pet-related tumbles amount to about 1 percent of the total injuries caused by falls in the United States.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that every year, more than 86,000 fall injuries are caused by pets. Dogs are the biggest culprits, causing 88 percent of the injuries. Cats cause 11.7 percent of the falls, according to the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-03-27/..._bonnie-beaver-dogs-and-cats-pet?_s=PM:HEALTH

 

[SP33Demon]

Yep, stupidity.

Yep, even the DOJ ruling proves they also believe it's not the breed, but the training. Frankly I think it'd be great to see people who get Pits to have them certified as service dogs so they don't have to worry about illegal breed restrictions. Or sue the sht out of anyone who tries to deny them their service dog now that a precedent has been set. Problem solved.

 

[Schfifty Five]

injuries are injuries. if you're 50x's more likely to trip over a small dog than get bit by a big dog, why would you run the risk of getting injured with the small dog?

Oh but mauling and maiming... that's sooo bad. Yeah it doesn't happen all that often. So if we're talking about weighing risks, having a dog PERIOD is a risk and one no one should take, but we allow it anyways. So either ban all dogs as they are a risk or shut the fuck up about a certain breed because it doesn't really matter. Dogs do whatever we tell them too, they have for thousands of years and we made sure we bred them to be our "slaves". If a dog acts out that is because he doesn't respect his master or was never trained otherwise.

The lulz is strong in this one.

 

[bfdd]

because injury by small dog doesn't lead to death?

I'll just leave this here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2010

I don't get your point? Death is worse than being injured sure, but both are risks and one is exponentially more so. Almost all of this is bullshit anyways because just like you defending small dogs, I am defending big dogs(well actually I'm defending ALL DOGS). My PERSONAL experience tends to fall in line with small dogs being far more bitey too. I have only ever been bit once by a big dog, but I can't count exactly how many times I have been bit by other dogs. Oh because it didn't maim me it's ok right?

edit - that wiki link is funny. "pit bull - type" yeah, they said my dog was a pit bull terrier mix when he got picked up by animal control. funny thing is he's a fucking chocolate lab/brown dobbie mix and looks NOTHING like a terrier/pit.

 

[Dulanic]

In general? Yes, absolutely Golden Retrievers are more loving than pit bulls.

And yes I know Pitt Bulls are smaller than Retrievers in general, but pitt bulls are vicious when they bite and they are stocky beasts of muscle. A 50 pound PB is an absolute beast of an animal loaded with all that muscle.

Pit Bull owners and apologists will always stick up for them and blame owners. Pitt Bull haters will always hate them and blame the breed. I'm somewhere in the middle, but feel that honestly, in today's society with people, kids, and other dogs concentrated in small areas, there really is no need for a pitt bull breed. Just get something else. Why do you think you need a pitt bull anyway? To prove to everyone that they are awesome dogs and that you can train one? To look tough? Please tell me the draw to such a breed that you could not get from another breed.

You want to know why? Watch this video. THIS is why I adopted my great loyal loving pit mix. Her mother was gassed this way and she was next. I didn't pick her specifically for the breed.

NSFW warning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp9L10A-FNg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Ns1]

I don't get your point? Death is worse than being injured sure, but both are risks and one is exponentially more so.

I'm not worried about me tripping over my dogs, or my dogs getting bit by other small dogs because those injuries don't lead to death or having limbs/face ripped off.

trip over your small dog = get a cast on your wrist
get mauled by a large dog = get a face transplant


Owning a small vicious dog is dangerous to others and has a small risk of death or serious injury
Owning a large vicious dog is dangerous to others and has a large risk of death or serious injury

that is my point.


Fact: Pitbulls directly kill more individuals per year than marijuana

 

[gaidensensei]

this topic, while taken personally by some, is supposed to be focused about two things

1) Yet Another Pit Bull Attack Thread
2) Pitbulls are seen as the most violent of all dog types compared in the current state of the world. However, the reality in this is that the hostile dogs account for less than 0.1% of the total dog population - they are in 0.0x percents, which in reality the chances are slim to nil in getting involved in an attack. As a new dog owner you have a 99.959% chance, as of the compiled 1982-2010 study, that your pitbull will not harm you or someone, but it is evident that a pit bull attack (70-80% of dog attack cases) documents the most of the ~1% of dogs that have attacked someone that have been reported. No idea what the unreported cases amount to.

 

[NeoV]

i hope that old lady who was attacked isn't in pain any longer

pitbulls are PURE GARBAGE

I'm so, so sick of the 'it's not the breed, it's the owner' bullshit

this is a breed that was created to be hyper aggressive with an immensely powerful bite - and they succeeded marvelously

now, we have morons in this country who think they are badass to own - and they breed them - improperly - so now we have all these poorly bred pitbulls around - genetically unstable because of the morons breeding them - which creates a lovely combination

they are killers, plain and simple. Might you know, or even own a pitbull that is a very sweet dog? Sure, you might - might that same pitbull one day snap and tear your child's arm off, or much worse? The risk is higher with this breed than all other breeds combined.

Do German Shepards bite? Yes, they do - but they bite to let you know to get the F away from them - they don't hang on and try to tear you to pieces. They are also exponentially smarter than Pit Bulls - do you see police and other law enforcement agencies using trained Pit Bulls? I didn't think so.

These dogs are a menace to society and should be banned. People who go outside of that ban should be jailed.

 

[TheNinja]

because injury by small dog doesn't lead to death?

I'll just leave this here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2010

All the pit bull advocates can say what they want. The fact is that stats don't lie.

What's also very interesting is that most of the killings were either "own family's dog", or "uncle/cousin/friend's dog" or "neighbor's dog".

 

[SphinxnihpS]

because injury by small dog doesn't lead to death?

I'll just leave this here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2010

Statistically NEGLIGIBLE amount of total deaths and deaths per year. Totally worth legislation and paranoia...

...or possibly not thinking about altogether, which is where I will be returning.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

...stats don't lie.

lolololololololol

 

[bfdd]

I'm not worried about me tripping over my dogs, or my dogs getting bit by other small dogs because those injuries don't lead to death or having limbs/face ripped off.

trip over your small dog = get a cast on your wrist
get mauled by a large dog = get a face transplant


Owning a small vicious dog is dangerous to others and has a small risk of death or serious injury
Owning a large vicious dog is dangerous to others and has a large risk of death or serious injury

that is my point.


Fact: Pitbulls directly kill more individuals per year than marijuana

there is a very big difference between a Pitbull and a "pitbull" or "pitbull-type breed". They pretty much classify any big dog as that now a days if it has short hair. My chocolate lab / brown dobbie mix got picked up and was classified as such. I asked the animal control wtf? he looks NOTHING like a terrier mix what so ever, they just knew he wasn't a purebred so he was classified that way. If he would have maimed someone, that would have been a "pitbull" statistic used in your link.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

there is a very big difference between a Pitbull and a "pitbull" or "pitbull-type breed". They pretty much classify any big dog as that now a days if it has short hair. My chocolate lab / brown dobbie mix got picked up and was classified as such. I asked the animal control wtf? he looks NOTHING like a terrier mix what so ever, they just knew he wasn't a purebred so he was classified that way. If he would have maimed someone, that would have been a "pitbull" statistic used in your link.

but but but, ninja says stats don't lie?

 

[alkemyst]

i hope that old lady who was attacked isn't in pain any longer

pitbulls are PURE GARBAGE

I'm so, so sick of the 'it's not the breed, it's the owner' bullshit

this is a breed that was created to be hyper aggressive with an immensely powerful bite - and they succeeded marvelously

now, we have morons in this country who think they are badass to own - and they breed them - improperly - so now we have all these poorly bred pitbulls around - genetically unstable because of the morons breeding them - which creates a lovely combination

they are killers, plain and simple. Might you know, or even own a pitbull that is a very sweet dog? Sure, you might - might that same pitbull one day snap and tear your child's arm off, or much worse? The risk is higher with this breed than all other breeds combined.

Do German Shepards bite? Yes, they do - but they bite to let you know to get the F away from them - they don't hang on and try to tear you to pieces. They are also exponentially smarter than Pit Bulls - do you see police and other law enforcement agencies using trained Pit Bulls? I didn't think so.

These dogs are a menace to society and should be banned. People who go outside of that ban should be jailed.

The problem is you are pretty ignorant to the problem. A pit bull is too general of a class.

Also much of the dogs that were involved in these types of attacks were those close cropped earred dogs wearing spiked type collars than Petey from Little Rascals fame.

To your last point, law enforcement is indeed using pit bulls, not in a majority but this is further showing your ignorance and lack of understanding of the argument.

What kind of dog do you even own?

 

[datalink7]

Everyone likes to throw up "pit bull" whenever they get attacked. However, I doubt most know a pit bull when they see one.

Do you?

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

 

[IGBT]

insurance companies have the last word on this. Your home owner insurance may be void if your litigation hazard dog causes injury to another animal or human resulting in a law suit. If you own a dog that is on insurance companies short list of litigation hazard dogs they may not cover a claim against you or issue homeowner insurance: Allstate Insurance is the latest insurer to expand its “no policy” list of dangerous dogs in an effort to curb the losses associated with dog attacks.

The company will no longer write new policies for the owners of eight additional breeds of dogs — Staffordshire terriers, Dobermans, Rottweilers, chows, Presa Canarios, akitas, wolf hybrids and huskies.

Allstate always had just one breed on its “no policy” list: pit bulls.

 

[tcG]

Pit bulls were actually bred to be aggressive toward other animals, not people. You might be surprised to learn that they are genetically one of the least human-aggressive breeds - human-aggression was considered extremely undesirable in the species and any such examples were culled.

The reason the bite/fatality statistics have pit bulls at the top is because of the type of shitty dog owners who gravitate toward the breed, and because pit bull genes have become a cesspool of shitty backyard breeding that indeed creates bad dogs. A true American Pit Bull Terrier (one of the most popular family dogs from the early 1900's up until around the 80's when the demonization started) is not naturally aggressive toward humans. They do typically have a high prey drive, however, and certain lineages can be aggressive toward other dogs if not properly socialized.

Hell, pit bulls aren't even recommended as guard dogs because its against their nature to be attacking humans. They are also one of the most stolen breeds of dogs, which seems to indicate a degree of non-aggression toward strangers.

The truth of the matter is more subtle than pit bulls simply being a "naturally aggressive" breed.

Ask professional dog people. The well bred American Pit Bull Terrier is known as one of the most stable and calm breeds.

 

[tcG]

Notice how everybody who has an APBT or knows someone with one says that they are perfectly good-natured dogs?

Something I'm seeing in this thread is the conclusion that pit bulls may or may not be any more naturally aggressive toward humans than any other dog, but they have the potential so why not just ban them anyway. I suppose this seems like the moderate, reasonable position to take if you don't have any actual experience with actual pit bulls.

You see, pit bulls aren't just your average dog. They are more affectionate, playful, talkative, and full of personality than your average breed, at least in my opinion. The extraordinary positive qualities of pit bulls are why the owners of these dogs defend them so passionately.

And seriously, look at what dog experts say about the pit bull as a breed. They aren't naturally aggressive. It isn't just blind owners defending their dogs thinking their baby would never hurt a fly. They actually aren't.

 

[Broheim]

Notice how everybody who has an APBT or knows someone with one says that they are perfectly good-natured dogs?

that is hardly a valid argument...

a pit bull owner is obviously always going to be pro pit bulls.

 

[ShreddedWheat]

Security guy at my work was checking the mail the other night and a pit out of no where ran to him and started attacking him even though the dog lived away from where the man was checking the mail. He tried to shoo the dog away but it kept attacking and eventually started attacking his hand and he couldn't get away...he felt bad but had to choke and kill the dog....he was glad it wasn't a child being attacked.

I've been attacked but only by a German Shepard. My sister by a poodle go figure????

 

[tcG]

UKC (United Kennel Club - secord largest, second oldest registry of dog breeds in the world) says "aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable,"[8] regarding pit bulls.

"The American Temperament Testing Society shows a pass percentage of 86% for American Pit Bull Terriers as opposed to the Golden Retriever with a temperament of 84.9%.[9]" -Wikipedia

 

[tcG]

that is hardly a valid argument...

a pit bull owner is obviously always going to be pro pit bulls.

Good job picking out the most anecdotal part of the several paragraphs I posted.

Correct, that's not a valid argument, its an interesting anecdote.

 

[alkemyst]

insurance companies have the last word on this. Your home owner insurance may be void if your litigation hazard dog causes injury to another animal or human resulting in a law suit. If you own a dog that is on insurance companies short list of litigation hazard dogs they may not cover a claim against you or issue homeowner insurance: Allstate Insurance is the latest insurer to expand its “no policy” list of dangerous dogs in an effort to curb the losses associated with dog attacks.

The company will no longer write new policies for the owners of eight additional breeds of dogs — Staffordshire terriers, Dobermans, Rottweilers, chows, Presa Canarios, akitas, wolf hybrids and huskies.

Allstate always had just one breed on its “no policy” list: pit bulls.

This just reflects the number of lawsuits happening. There is a old dude at the dog bark that is being sued because another old dude fell off his bike because he felt the guy's "pitbull" was going to attack him.

The guy being sued has a yellow lab. He had to give it up because he cannot afford to defend himself. That was one of his options. The guy suing wanted the animal destroyed, he accepted sending it away.

 

[dabuddha]

Hopefully the neighbor gets sued for millions and sent to jail.

Fuck that, put the owners to sleep. That should be a caveat for owning pit bulls. If you want to own one, that's fine but you will be held responsible for the dog's actions. If the dog murders someone, it should be the same as you murdered someone. And I would apply this to all animal owners. Sick and tired of retard pit bull defenders whining like little bitches "Oh they're sweet gentle dogs" Fuck that bullshit.