Woman raped by stranger and then arrested by cops.

[toolboxolio]

Originally posted by: Estrella

Originally posted by: toolboxolio

Originally posted by: dbk
I think the most interesting part of the article is the denial of the pill.

The reason for denial to be more specific.

I was thinking that the jail was just neglecting her until I read the part about religious horsesh!t.

I think jesus would have given her the pill... then fired the jail nurse for being a nartard.

LOL. what is a "nartard?". it is a new one for me

I am not sure either, but it's from southpark. Stan was yelling at his dad while he was playing WoW, and Stan called his dad an artard or nartard... and I lol'd. I assume by Stan's tone that it is an insult. And since it is similar to retard, it's probably an insult on one's intelligence.

But that's where I got it from.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
First to say, OWNED

Dude, that response is rediculous. I pray to god that you never have to deal with a rape that hits close to home.

There are two issues here. One is the outstanding warrant and the other is a rape. To the rape, no one is disputing the seriousness of the incident. To the outstanding warrant, that's incredibly ironic that she got arrested. It's funny in a sense.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Leros
They really need to make a federal law that says its illegal to refuse legal medication to people.

I agree. That nurse should be fired immediately, and have whatever nursing credentials that she possesses permanently revoked.

 

[Mucho]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
talk about a bad day and then some :Q

Murphy's Law

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Leros
They really need to make a federal law that says its illegal to refuse legal medication to people.

I agree. That nurse should be fired immediately, and have whatever nursing credentials that she possesses permanently revoked.

Fascism will come to America wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross.

We'll see in 18 months if they are still the most powerful voting block.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Leros
They really need to make a federal law that says its illegal to refuse legal medication to people.

I agree. That nurse should be fired immediately, and have whatever nursing credentials that she possesses permanently revoked.

Fascism will come to America wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross.

We'll see in 18 months if they are still the most powerful voting block.

They never were. The RR makes a LOT of noise, but they constantly fail to get their agenda passed. The trend in laws pertaining to social freedom have become more liberal over time, NOT more conservative.

Sure, the RR sometimes wins on a local level, but even then they are consistently overturned and the wins are short lived.

If fascism comes to America it will be nanny-state socialism because that's the trend and it's to that movement where we are losing the most freedom.

IF the RR was winning, I'd agree with you. But they are not. Unfortunately, the socialists are winning.

Both are wrong.

 

[Ilikepiedoyou]

at my school, rape is most often the fault of the victim

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
at my school, rape is most often the fault of the victim

I really hope you are being sarcastic. :roll:

If not, how? All the perpetrator has to do is restrain himself, unless one is to believe some backward notion that men cannot resist such temptation and therefore the women are at fault.:|

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: senseamp

The pill, which prevents pregnancy, must be taken in two doses. The woman took one pill, but said she was denied the second pill by a nurse supervisor at the jail.
"The supervisor said the morning after pill was against her, the supervisor's, religion and refused to dispense it," the alleged victim's mother said.

Nice. If that's against her religion, why did she get a nursing job that may require her to dispense it?

Attention whore?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Leros
They really need to make a federal law that says its illegal to refuse legal medication to people.

I agree. That nurse should be fired immediately, and have whatever nursing credentials that she possesses permanently revoked.

Fascism will come to America wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross.

We'll see in 18 months if they are still the most powerful voting block.

They never were. The RR makes a LOT of noise, but they constantly fail to get their agenda passed.

The trend in laws pertaining to social freedom have become more liberal over time, NOT more conservative.

Sure, the RR sometimes wins on a local level, but even then they are consistently overturned and the wins are short lived.

If fascism comes to America it will be nanny-state socialism because that's the trend and it's to that movement where we are losing the most freedom.

IF the RR was winning, I'd agree with you. But they are not. Unfortunately, the socialists are winning.

Both are wrong.

What planet have you've been on the last seven years???

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Leros
They really need to make a federal law that says its illegal to refuse legal medication to people.

I agree. That nurse should be fired immediately, and have whatever nursing credentials that she possesses permanently revoked.

Fascism will come to America wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross.

We'll see in 18 months if they are still the most powerful voting block.

They never were. The RR makes a LOT of noise, but they constantly fail to get their agenda passed.

The trend in laws pertaining to social freedom have become more liberal over time, NOT more conservative.

Sure, the RR sometimes wins on a local level, but even then they are consistently overturned and the wins are short lived.

If fascism comes to America it will be nanny-state socialism because that's the trend and it's to that movement where we are losing the most freedom.

IF the RR was winning, I'd agree with you. But they are not. Unfortunately, the socialists are winning.

Both are wrong.

What planet have you've been on the last seven years???

What freedom have you lost to the RR in the last 7 years?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Leros
They really need to make a federal law that says its illegal to refuse legal medication to people.

I agree. That nurse should be fired immediately, and have whatever nursing credentials that she possesses permanently revoked.

Fascism will come to America wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross.

We'll see in 18 months if they are still the most powerful voting block.

They never were. The RR makes a LOT of noise, but they constantly fail to get their agenda passed.

The trend in laws pertaining to social freedom have become more liberal over time, NOT more conservative.

Sure, the RR sometimes wins on a local level, but even then they are consistently overturned and the wins are short lived.

If fascism comes to America it will be nanny-state socialism because that's the trend and it's to that movement where we are losing the most freedom.

IF the RR was winning, I'd agree with you. But they are not. Unfortunately, the socialists are winning.

Both are wrong.

What planet have you've been on the last seven years???

What freedom have you lost to the RR in the last 7 years?

America has highest incarcerated on the planet, I'd say we lost all freedoms.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Leros
They really need to make a federal law that says its illegal to refuse legal medication to people.

I agree. That nurse should be fired immediately, and have whatever nursing credentials that she possesses permanently revoked.

Fascism will come to America wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross.

We'll see in 18 months if they are still the most powerful voting block.

They never were. The RR makes a LOT of noise, but they constantly fail to get their agenda passed.

The trend in laws pertaining to social freedom have become more liberal over time, NOT more conservative.

Sure, the RR sometimes wins on a local level, but even then they are consistently overturned and the wins are short lived.

If fascism comes to America it will be nanny-state socialism because that's the trend and it's to that movement where we are losing the most freedom.

IF the RR was winning, I'd agree with you. But they are not. Unfortunately, the socialists are winning.

Both are wrong.

What planet have you've been on the last seven years???

What freedom have you lost to the RR in the last 7 years?

America has highest incarcerated on the planet, I'd say we lost all freedoms.

Really? Who is in jail based specifically on a RR law passed in the past 7 years?

Do you even know how to differentiate between political platforms?

BTW, our incarceration rate is due, for the most part, to the War on Drugs. A policy that has support from nearly every political ideology and both parties.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
So, if Bin Laden were raped we should let him go?

Oh hell no. He should rot in jail AND be denied the Morning After pill. God knows the murder of over 3,000 people is equivalent to stealing...


Please think before you speak.

If she's a criminal she's a criminal, she doesn't get a pass just because she was raped.

She shouldn't have been denied the morning after pill, that's idiotic. I assume the nurse supervisor is Catholic, but I wasn't aware that it was against their religion for non-Catholics to take the morning after pill.

Protestants oppose the morning after pill. If the nurse was a Catholic, chances are she would have given her the pill. A Bible-thumping Southern Baptist, less likely to...

 

[bobdelt]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
First to say, OWNED

Dude, that response is rediculous. I pray to god that you never have to deal with a rape that hits close to home.

Your spelling is whats ridiculous.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: bobdelt

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
First to say, OWNED

Dude, that response is rediculous. I pray to god that you never have to deal with a rape that hits close to home.

Your spelling is whats ridiculous.

The irony is almost painful.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
at my school, rape is most often the fault of the victim

I really hope you are being sarcastic. :roll:

If not, how? All the perpetrator has to do is restrain himself, unless one is to believe some backward notion that men cannot resist such temptation and therefore the women are at fault.:|

I dont believe that its the victim's *fault*. However there are many many cases where the woman aggravates it in the moronic way they dress. It's disgusting and you'd think these people would have more sense to them than always yelling "Hey!! Look how my breasts are showing! And look how tight these jeans are!! But you better not touch me or I will put you in jail!" :roll:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: dennilfloss

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
at my school, rape is most often the fault of the victim

I really hope you are being sarcastic. :roll:

If not, how? All the perpetrator has to do is restrain himself, unless one is to believe some backward notion that men cannot resist such temptation and therefore the women are at fault.:|

I dont believe that its the victim's *fault*. However there are many many cases where the woman aggravates it in the moronic way they dress. It's disgusting and you'd think these people would have more sense to them than always yelling "Hey!! Look how my breasts are showing! And look how tight these jeans are!! But you better not touch me or I will put you in jail!" :roll:

WHAT?!?!

even if someone were running around naked that IN NO WAY gives someone the right to rape them.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
First to say, OWNED

^^ Idiot alert!

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
So, if Bin Laden were raped we should let him go?

Oh hell no. He should rot in jail AND be denied the Morning After pill. God knows the murder of over 3,000 people is equivalent to stealing...


Please think before you speak.

If she's a criminal she's a criminal, she doesn't get a pass just because she was raped.

She shouldn't have been denied the morning after pill, that's idiotic. I assume the nurse supervisor is Catholic, but I wasn't aware that it was against their religion for non-Catholics to take the morning after pill.

First of all, I'd say you are wrong on two counts. First of all, if someone is injured (especially a rape), you can arrest them and transport them to a hospital for treatment. After a doctor releases them you can transport them to jail (you have an officer remain outside the patient's room). Or, in cases like this involving a rape, you can delay the serving of the warrant and post a guard to later serve the warrant. There's zero reason to create an emotional trauma on-top of an emotional trauma that had just occurred. It isn't good policing and it isn't the procedure I've been taught.

Secondly, some Catholics or religious folks will NOT dispense or write prescriptions for ANYONE to use a contraceptive. I have a good friend of mine who is a doctor, and he simply won't do it. He's not a jerk about it, though. If someone asks him about it he will simply say it is against his religious beliefs and then call another doctor to take care of the situation, or refer them to someone else for immediate care -- or at the very worst, he will send them to the E.R.

His beliefs are very strong, and it carries over into his personal life as well. He doesn't believe in the usage of contraceptives at all. He's not judgemental about it. He knows that I use them, and he's never once said a negative thing about it. He just explains the way he feels, and that's it. He'd never talk about his personal feelings with a patient unless they ask. Just a simple: I'm sorry, I cannot write you a prescription for that because it is against my religious beliefs. I'll ask Dr. Whoever to come talk to you and help you out. Or, he'll give them a list of doctors or the other things I mentioned earlier.

There's absolutely zero problem to me with someone refusing to dispense or prescribe contraceptives if it is against their religious beliefs. Unless, of course, it is an emergency or there is no provider available. In this situation, with the nurse, it was obviously an emergency, and obviously there was another way out. Someone else could have dispensed it, or she could have sent the girl under guard to the E.R. There's no excuse for REFUSING to allow someone to make their own personal choice. You don't have to dispense it, but you better not prevent their freedom from making a personal choice if they want it. That includes calling the damn Sheriff and getting his ass to come down to the jail if you don't want to do it.

I agree with you Mill on everything, including your previous post, except this last paragraph. What about in the case where this medical person works for the state? In personal practice, I agree with you and feel they can do whatever they wish, but when one works for the state, I believe you have to set your religious preferences aside and offer up treatment in accordance with the state's guidelines. Of course, this is assuming the state has a guideleine which recommends dispensing such medication upon request of the patient/victim.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jjones

I agree with you Mill on everything, including your previous post, except this last paragraph. What about in the case where this medical person works for the state? In personal practice, I agree with you and feel they can do whatever they wish, but when one works for the state, I believe you have to set your religious preferences aside and offer up treatment in accordance with the state's guidelines. Of course, this is assuming the state has a guideleine which recommends dispensing such medication upon request of the patient/victim.

I would tend to agree that the med pro should have the freedom to not do something that goes against their beliefs, except in the case of a captive patient that cannot get care elsewhere. This is the one area where the state CAN legally hire/fire based on religious preference... if that belief impairs their ability to do the job fully.

 

[techs]

The nurse not giving her the pill because of her religious beliefs reminds me of the Saudi Arabian incident (or was it Iran) where a girls school was on fire and the firemen wouldn't go in to put it out because it was against their religious beliefs.
Religious extremism flourishes here in America.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jjones

I agree with you Mill on everything, including your previous post, except this last paragraph. What about in the case where this medical person works for the state? In personal practice, I agree with you and feel they can do whatever they wish, but when one works for the state, I believe you have to set your religious preferences aside and offer up treatment in accordance with the state's guidelines. Of course, this is assuming the state has a guideleine which recommends dispensing such medication upon request of the patient/victim.

I would tend to agree that the med pro should have the freedom to not do something that goes against their beliefs, except in the case of a captive patient that cannot get care elsewhere. This is the one area where the state CAN legally hire/fire based on religious preference... if that belief impairs their ability to do the job fully.

I'm a med pro and i believe we SHOULDNT have the choice. Look, we're taught to be objective about everything else. To leave our beliefs at home. Sure thats a tall order but passing a medication is a very simple act.

I look at it like this, nowhere else in the hospital is religion allowed unless it's the hospital chaplain/imam/rabbi. If I tried to preach Christianity to a Muslim patient I'd be fired. Or if I said my religious beliefs don't allow me to take care of a jewish patient....I'd definitely be written up for a major infraction, possibly fired. In my eyes as a medical professional, this act should be a fireable offense. And don't give me crap about being easy to pass the work off, if you cant be objective enough to pass a medication then you really shouldn't be taking care of that person.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: dennilfloss

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
at my school, rape is most often the fault of the victim

I really hope you are being sarcastic. :roll:

If not, how? All the perpetrator has to do is restrain himself, unless one is to believe some backward notion that men cannot resist such temptation and therefore the women are at fault.:|

I dont believe that its the victim's *fault*. However there are many many cases where the woman aggravates it in the moronic way they dress. It's disgusting and you'd think these people would have more sense to them than always yelling "Hey!! Look how my breasts are showing! And look how tight these jeans are!! But you better not touch me or I will put you in jail!" :roll:

WHAT?!?!

even if someone were running around naked that IN NO WAY gives someone the right to rape them.

What she said. A woman dressing sexy is not an invitation for you to rape her. thecoolnessrune , you just lost your man card.

 

[Phokus]

"The supervisor said the morning after pill was against her, the supervisor's, religion and refused to dispense it," the alleged victim's mother said.

FVCK THAT. That's complete bullshit.