Woman what that Beat Her Child on CNN Now ;)

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: BDawg
She reminds me of the hookers from Fargo.

Oooh, I apologise. I thought she had some sort of messed up midwest accent, but turns out she's Irish.

 

[gopunk]

those who think non-violent punishment does not work have simply not seen or experienced effective non-violent punishment. does not mean it does not exist.

what does physical violence teach a child? it teaches a child that violence is an acceptable option in conflict resolution and it teaches a chlid to fear their parents, neither of which, imo, are good for the child. and yes i've heard a million times "i was spanked and i'm fine".

i really should have been born 300 years from now, when people would understand what seems to be obvious to me

 

[CocaCola5]

I just get the impression she's quite a good liar.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: CocaCola5
I just get the impression she's quite a good liar.

she's not a good liar at all, anybody with half a brain cell can see she's a lying sack of sh!t

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I did see a clip of the video on the local news back when it happened.

But, I WAS NOT aware that she punched the girl in the face...they didn't show that. You don't EVER hit a child w/a closed fist...that's just wrong. I'm all for giving the kid a hard smack when it's warranted, but punching is a horrible thing to do to a kid.

Believe me, I know my Father was wrong for what he did. It's why I left home at 18. I was bigger than him at that point...and came damn close to punching him back quite a few times. I remember him telling me "boy, if you ever hit me back, you'd better keep hitting me b/c if you don't, I will kill you." Believe me, I had no doubt he would've done it....

I would have hoped you would have left home at 18, regardless.

But in any case, I paddle, pull my boys by their ears and occasionally by the back of the hair (it's short so sometimes hard to grab onto). And yes, I smack em upside the head every once in a while, but more out of a sign of affection or playfulness than anything else. It works with my oldest, but not be next oldest. The 3 year-old girl, on the other hand, rarely gets spanked, because dammit she's got me wrapped around her finger. But the boys, I don't take kindly to their shenanigans.

 

[Mill]

She is in a group of Irish gypsies that go around conning people while the women stay at malls, salons and tanning beds.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: MichaelD
I did see a clip of the video on the local news back when it happened.

But, I WAS NOT aware that she punched the girl in the face...they didn't show that. You don't EVER hit a child w/a closed fist...that's just wrong. I'm all for giving the kid a hard smack when it's warranted, but punching is a horrible thing to do to a kid.

Believe me, I know my Father was wrong for what he did. It's why I left home at 18. I was bigger than him at that point...and came damn close to punching him back quite a few times. I remember him telling me "boy, if you ever hit me back, you'd better keep hitting me b/c if you don't, I will kill you." Believe me, I had no doubt he would've done it....

I would have hoped you would have left home at 18, regardless.

But in any case, I paddle, pull my boys by their ears and occasionally by the back of the hair (it's short so sometimes hard to grab onto). And yes, I smack em upside the head every once in a while, but more out of a sign of affection or playfulness than anything else. It works with my oldest, but not be next oldest. The 3 year-old girl, on the other hand, rarely gets spanked, because dammit she's got me wrapped around her finger. But the boys, I don't take kindly to their shenanigans.

Whoa....be careful there, buddy. They might lump you in the "Child Abuser" category like they did to me.

I applaud your honesty; some people can't handle the fact that kids OCCASIONALLY, need a smack to remind who is the parent and who is the child that is still learning life and P's and Q's.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: gopunk
those who think non-violent punishment does not work have simply not seen or experienced effective non-violent punishment. does not mean it does not exist.

what does physical violence teach a child? it teaches a child that violence is an acceptable option in conflict resolution and it teaches a chlid to fear their parents, neither of which, imo, are good for the child. and yes i've heard a million times "i was spanked and i'm fine".

i really should have been born 300 years from now, when people would understand what seems to be obvious to me

what does non-physical violence teach a child? it teaches a child that negative behavior is acceptable and it teaches a child to not respect their parents, either of which will produce holy nightmares(no pun intended) that I see only a daily basis, including my own sister who has spawned one. and yes i've heard a million times "children are just mini adults"

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: gopunk
i really should have been born 300 years from now, when people would understand what seems to be obvious to me

Maybe you could get a head start by shaving your head and wearing a shiny silver jumpsuit.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Millenium
She is in a group of Irish gypsies that go around conning people while the women stay at malls, salons and tanning beds.

I was thinking she drove a really nice SUV for someone who roams around.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: gopunk
those who think non-violent punishment does not work have simply not seen or experienced effective non-violent punishment. does not mean it does not exist.

what does physical violence teach a child? it teaches a child that violence is an acceptable option in conflict resolution and it teaches a chlid to fear their parents, neither of which, imo, are good for the child. and yes i've heard a million times "i was spanked and i'm fine".

i really should have been born 300 years from now, when people would understand what seems to be obvious to me

what does non-physical violence teach a child? it teaches a child that negative behavior is acceptable and it teaches a child to not respect their parents, either of which will produce holy nightmares(no pun intended) that I see only a daily basis, including my own sister who has spawned one. and yes i've heard a million times "children are just mini adults"

you clearly missed the first line of my post non-violent punishment != no punishment. and as for your sister, just because she's not doing it right doesn't mean it can't be done. and no, i don't think children are mini-adults, but you shouldn't have to be an adult to not get physically assaulted by somebody else.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: gopunk
i really should have been born 300 years from now, when people would understand what seems to be obvious to me

Maybe you could get a head start by shaving your head and wearing a shiny silver jumpsuit.

oooh i could be in that woody allen movie

 

[MaDHaVoK]

I'd like to say a couple of things.

First off it didn't look like this child was beat. Does she even a small bruise? She better have something for the HUGE deal the media is making this into.

Second, How can they take this child away from her father? Did he do anything wrong? If it was my child they would be taking her away from me over my dead body.

Listen, when i was a kid, (i'm only 21 now) and i did something wrong I got a smack. Did it hurt? yes. Did it leave a bruise or anything? No. Did I deserve it? Yes. Should it be considered abuse? Absoultely not. Because of the discipline my parents gave me I was one well behaved child and I am a better person now. Look at some of the younger kids who i know... when they do something wrong they go sit in a room or they get yelled at... and you know what? These younger kids with no discipline continue to cause trouble and even challenge their parents authority. Just what society needs.

Bottom line. CNN has no right to tell you how to raise your child.

Now don't get me wrong... if this little girl is covered in bruises her mom deserves to go to jail. Somehow i don't think thats going to be the case...
Most likely CNN is making something out of nothing and ruining people's lives. But we will see.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: MaDHaVoK
I'd like to say a couple of things.

First off it didn't look like this child was beat. Does she even a small bruise? She better have something for the HUGE deal the media is making this into.

Second, How can they take this child away from her father? Did he do anything wrong? If it was my child they would be taking her away from me over my dead body.

Listen, when i was a kid, (i'm only 21 now) and i did something wrong I got a smack. Did it hurt? yes. Did it leave a bruise or anything? No. Did I deserve it? Yes. Should it be considered abuse? Absoultely not. Because of the discipline my parents gave me I was one well behaved child and I am a better person now. Look at some of the younger kids who i know... when they do something wrong they go sit in a room or they get yelled at... and you know what? These younger kids with no discipline continue to cause trouble and even challenge their parents authority. Just what society needs.

Bottom line. CNN has no right to tell you how to raise your child.

Now don't get me wrong... if this little girl is covered in bruises her mom deserves to go to jail. Somehow i don't think thats going to be the case...
Most likely CNN is making something out of nothing and ruining people's lives. But we will see.

cnn? we're talking about society here, not cnn. society has no right to tell you how to raise your child (the child which will be part of society), unless the assault leaves a mark? what's your reasoning? it doesn't "count" unless you can see it?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: MaDHaVoK
I'd like to say a couple of things.

First off it didn't look like this child was beat. Does she even a small bruise? She better have something for the HUGE deal the media is making this into.

Second, How can they take this child away from her father? Did he do anything wrong? If it was my child they would be taking her away from me over my dead body.

Listen, when i was a kid, (i'm only 21 now) and i did something wrong I got a smack. Did it hurt? yes. Did it leave a bruise or anything? No. Did I deserve it? Yes. Should it be considered abuse? Absoultely not. Because of the discipline my parents gave me I was one well behaved child and I am a better person now. Look at some of the younger kids who i know... when they do something wrong they go sit in a room or they get yelled at... and you know what? These younger kids with no discipline continue to cause trouble and even challenge their parents authority. Just what society needs.

Bottom line. CNN has no right to tell you how to raise your child.

Now don't get me wrong... if this little girl is covered in bruises her mom deserves to go to jail. Somehow i don't think thats going to be the case...
Most likely CNN is making something out of nothing and ruining people's lives. But we will see.

Based on the fact that these people are con-artists that have been defrauding people for years(the elderly most of the time) and have little morals when it comes to most things... I seriously doubt this has been blown out of proportion. I don't know if you saw the mother's press conference, but in it she said that she hit the girl too hard and too much and begged forgiveness.

Right...

 

[JellyBaby]

It was her dumb luck that she was under video surveillance

This to me is as big of a deal as the alleged crime. It's arguable whether the mother was "severely reprimanding" her daughter or commiting child abuse. I saw the footage. She wasn't using much force. After the first "volley" the child easily climbed into her chair. But then the mother started round #2. So, given the overall duration one might elevate the deed to abuse.

But it's really subjective and, since it was, is it any of our business?

 

[Dragnov]

Dude all because you dont' have any physical marks does NOT mean its okay. So what, you got beat as a child but that does not mean you can pass it onto your own child. It's quite pathetic I see that you guys can't think of any other ways to punish/discipline your child other than hitting them. Especially for such a young kid as the one that this woman beat, WTF?! :| For christ sake, shes a little fsckin kid that is still LEARNING whats right and wrong.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Millenium




Based on the fact that these people are con-artists that have been defrauding people for years(the elderly most of the time) and have little morals when it comes to most things... I seriously doubt this has been blown out of proportion. I don't know if you saw the mother's press conference, but in it she said that she hit the girl too hard and too much and begged forgiveness.

Right...

How do you know they're con artists?

 

[MaDHaVoK]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: MaDHaVoK
I'd like to say a couple of things.

First off it didn't look like this child was beat. Does she even a small bruise? She better have something for the HUGE deal the media is making this into.

Second, How can they take this child away from her father? Did he do anything wrong? If it was my child they would be taking her away from me over my dead body.

Listen, when i was a kid, (i'm only 21 now) and i did something wrong I got a smack. Did it hurt? yes. Did it leave a bruise or anything? No. Did I deserve it? Yes. Should it be considered abuse? Absoultely not. Because of the discipline my parents gave me I was one well behaved child and I am a better person now. Look at some of the younger kids who i know... when they do something wrong they go sit in a room or they get yelled at... and you know what? These younger kids with no discipline continue to cause trouble and even challenge their parents authority. Just what society needs.

Bottom line. CNN has no right to tell you how to raise your child.

Now don't get me wrong... if this little girl is covered in bruises her mom deserves to go to jail. Somehow i don't think thats going to be the case...
Most likely CNN is making something out of nothing and ruining people's lives. But we will see.

cnn? we're talking about society here, not cnn. society has no right to tell you how to raise your child (the child which will be part of society), unless the assault leaves a mark? what's your reasoning? it doesn't "count" unless you can see it?

CNN has been telling people all morrning it is wrong to raise your hand on a child. STFU. Maybe CNN can teach us how to raise a brat, thats about it. If you beat yoru child there is going to be a mark. Have you ever been in a fight? A closed fist punch leaves a mark. A kick leaves a mark. Getting slammed to the floor leaves a mark. So yeah if this girl was really punched in the face she i am sure she will have a mark and her mom deserves to go to jail.


In my oppinion, yes it is ok to smack a child, if they deserve it... and a smack won't leave a mark and shouldn't be considered abuse (cnn does consider it abuse).. If you want to raise your children with a different type of discipline that is your business.

How are you gonna talk about society? Are you gonna take a poll of the entire US and get everyones oppinion? Didn't think so. So how do you know how society really feels? You don't.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Millenium




Based on the fact that these people are con-artists that have been defrauding people for years(the elderly most of the time) and have little morals when it comes to most things... I seriously doubt this has been blown out of proportion. I don't know if you saw the mother's press conference, but in it she said that she hit the girl too hard and too much and begged forgiveness.

Right...

How do you know they're con artists?

I will have to find a link but I saw several articles that said she was part of a band of Irish Travellers(con artists)

 

[gopunk]

CNN has been telling people all morrning it is wrong to raise your hand on a child. STFU. Maybe CNN can teach us how to raise a brat, thats about it. If you beat yoru child there is going to be a mark. Have you ever been in a fight? A closed fist punch leaves a mark. A kick leaves a mark. Getting slammed to the floor leaves a mark. So yeah if this girl was really punched in the face she i am sure she will have a mark and her mom deserves to go to jail.

why does it matter whether or not there is a mark? a hit is still a hit, regardless of whether or not it left a mark. are you telling me i can go ahead and slap you in the face, and it's okay because it didn't leave a mark? that's ricockulous and arbitrary.

How are you gonna talk about society? Are you gonna take a poll of the entire US and get everyones oppinion? Didn't think so. So how do you know how society really feels? You don't.

did i ever say i did? no. but i am challenging your assertion that how someone raises their own child is their own business. no, it is not, because how they raise their child will affect the rest of society, therefore MAKING it other people's business. i will not STFU regarding how other people raise their children, because how they raise their children affects ME. i have a vested interest in seeing that children in the society i live in are raised well.

the *vast majority* of child care experts assert that non-violent punishment is preferable to violent punishment. the *only* people i have ever seen condoning physical violence towards children are common joes that go on and on about how they know a coworker that doesn't hit their children and their children are brats, so goddammit, i'm going to hit my children for their own good. :disgust:

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Bah. I got beat like that almost daily as a child. That's when my father didn't have a 2x4 or tennis racket in his hands. :| My father went overboard, but this woman being brought up on assault charges is the exact reason we have all these 12-20 year-old PUNK KIDS these days...no DISCIPLINE. How many times can you tell a child "I'll take away your Nintendo if you don't behave?" before they just laugh at you and continue what they were doing anyway? When polite reasoning fails, a good kick in the ass usually works.

They've made it so that you cannot discipline your child. I have swatted my son in the @ss exactly five times in the six years he's been on this earth and every time I did, he knew, that he did something wrong and deserved it. I was so scared that some cell-phone toting family van driving soccer mom was going to call 911....half the time he needed a swat, he didn't get it.

The woman may need anger management and a parenting class (I took a parenting class three years ago...best thing I ever did) but jail time? Please. They'd have given my father The Chair already.

your insane dude! she punched the little girl in the head with a closed fist! if i saw that i'd kick her ass on the spot.

 

[MaDHaVoK]

"why does it matter whether or not there is a mark? a hit is still a hit, regardless of whether or not it left a mark. are you telling me i can go ahead and slap you in the face, and it's okay because it didn't leave a mark? that's ricockulous and arbitrary."

If you slap me in the face and it doesn't leave a red mark or a bruise... it might sting for about 2 seconds but in 3 seconds i'm not even gonna know you hit me...

See if you smack a child and it sting for 2 seconds they learn their actions were bad, yet they aren't damaged from it. Yet if you left a mark or bruises there is damage... visable tissue damage that is not healthy for them.

Nobody gets closed fist punched in the face and have not a thing to show for it, nobody gets kicked in the ribs and has nothing to show for it...... i am talking real life not yoru fairy tales where people can get hit with a baseball bat and not have a scratch..

 

[ohtwell]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Bah. I got beat like that almost daily as a child. That's when my father didn't have a 2x4 or tennis racket in his hands. :| My father went overboard, but this woman being brought up on assault charges is the exact reason we have all these 12-20 year-old PUNK KIDS these days...no DISCIPLINE. How many times can you tell a child "I'll take away your Nintendo if you don't behave?" before they just laugh at you and continue what they were doing anyway? When polite reasoning fails, a good kick in the ass usually works.

They've made it so that you cannot discipline your child. I have swatted my son in the @ss exactly five times in the six years he's been on this earth and every time I did, he knew, that he did something wrong and deserved it. I was so scared that some cell-phone toting family van driving soccer mom was going to call 911....half the time he needed a swat, he didn't get it.

The woman may need anger management and a parenting class (I took a parenting class three years ago...best thing I ever did) but jail time? Please. They'd have given my father The Chair already.

your insane dude! she punched the little girl in the head with a closed fist! if i saw that i'd kick her ass on the spot.

I totally agree with you.

There has to be something mentally wrong with a person if they believe that punching a child is okay. There is no excuse for what the woman did to her daughter. She beat the crap out of her. The dumb b!tch needs to go to jail.

All of the 12-20 year old punks that you are talking about are the children whose parents let them do whatever they want. There is a big difference between discipline and beating. Don't confuse the two.


: ) Amanda

 

[rh71]

All I have to say is that this stuff CNN is saying needs to be said as a method of deterrent. I'm not saying that's their reasoning, I'm saying it's how I take it. Think about it this way, if nobody ever says we shouldn't hit our kids, people would do it without fearing legal repurcussions. But I personally think it needs to be done in some cases. Do it, but don't let us see you do it.

I'm 24. I was slapped on my shoulder and wherever else when I did something wrong as a kid. It hurt enough to know not to do it again and it did nothing to me long-term. As for that making it okay for me to act the same way towards my kids, I am old enough to think for myself. How I was treated as a kid does not influence my actions now. I'll decide what's proper. What the law says is just a deterrent to me.