Woman's dogs maul her to death

madoka

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In a surprising twist, they were pit bulls.

I don't know why people keep raising them as pets, when IMHO they're an ugly dog and they're unpredictable.

I've never heard of a Golden Retriever or St. Bernard killing their owners.

http://www.richmond.com/news/local/...cle_ca98bbc2-3676-5121-b337-cdcfbc875293.html


A 22-year-old Glen Allen woman was mauled to death in what the Goochland County sheriff described as a "grisly" scene.

Bethany Lynn Stephens' body was discovered by Goochland deputies about 8:20 p.m. Thursday in a wooded area near the 2200 block of Manakin Road.

"(Her body) was being guarded by two very large, brindle-colored pit bull dogs," Sheriff James L. Agnew said during a news conference Friday.

Agnew said the dogs were Stephens', and he suspected they had been bred for fighting.

Initial reports from the medical examiner's office said Stephens – whom Agnew described as petite, 5-foot-1 and 125 pounds – had a cause of death "consistent with being mauled by these dogs." She had defensive wounds on her hands and arms, and it appears that she was alive when the animals attacked.

"The first traumatic injury to her was to her throat and face," Agnew said, reading from the initial autopsy results. "It appears she was taken to the ground, lost consciousness, and the dogs then mauled her to death."

It was not a homicide, Agnew said.

"It was an absolutely grisly mauling. In my nearly 40 years in law enforcement, I've never seen anything quite like it," he said. "I hope I never see anything like it again."
 

zerocool84

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If the dog in the picture in the OP is the dog that killed her, it is NOT a pit bull. People never seem to actually know what a pit bull is or looks like.
 
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shortylickens

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If the dog in the picture in the OP is the dog that killed her, it is NOT a pit bull. People never seem to actually know what a pit bull is or looks like.
She has many dogs, two of which are pit bulls and allegedly killed her.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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In a surprising twist, they were pit bulls.

I don't know why people keep raising them as pets, when IMHO they're an ugly dog and they're unpredictable.
The breed of peace™ strikes again!
Agnew said the dogs were Stephens', and he suspected they had been bred for fighting.
The hell is wrong with you two?

It says in TFA they were likely being bred for fighting, which means they were being bred for this. Don't blame a whole damned breed for the actions of its owner.
 
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mindless1

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^ Personally I don't want a quantity of (even one) pets that can take me out whether they're pigeons or wolves. Pit bulls can easily take the average young woman or child out.

Pit bulls in particular were bred to have an extremely strong bite so yes that breed in particular is more dangerous, enough such that the average owner lacks the level of responsibility needed to keep others safe around it.

Consider a butter knife. You probably would allow children to use one at the dinner table while you might not hand them a machete to play with. Pit bull vs other safer breeds = same thing.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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^ Personally I don't want a quantity of (even one) pets that can take me out whether they're pigeons or wolves. Pit bulls can easily take the average young woman or child out.

Pit bulls in particular were bred to have an extremely strong bite so yes that breed in particular is more dangerous, enough such that the average owner lacks the level of responsibility needed to keep others safe around it.

Consider a butter knife. You probably would allow children to use one at the dinner table while you might not hand them a machete to play with. Pit bull vs other safer breeds = same thing.
Fair enough (referring to your comment about pets in general), but inferring that the breed is responsible when it states *right there in the article* that the sheriff suspects they were being bred for fighting is pretty shitty. There's a reason we push back on this wrt racism, animals are just as much individuals as humans are, and subject to much of the same influences, such as being mentally conditioned over their entire life for violent proclivity.
 

Darwin333

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^ Personally I don't want a quantity of (even one) pets that can take me out whether they're pigeons or wolves. Pit bulls can easily take the average young woman or child out.

Pit bulls in particular were bred to have an extremely strong bite so yes that breed in particular is more dangerous, enough such that the average owner lacks the level of responsibility needed to keep others safe around it.

Consider a butter knife. You probably would allow children to use one at the dinner table while you might not hand them a machete to play with. Pit bull vs other safer breeds = same thing.

How do you feel about shepherd dogs?
 

AMDisTheBEST

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Got any video that recorded the whole graphic ordeal? I would like to add it to my collection of snuff films.
 

mindless1

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How do you feel about shepherd dogs?
Good temperament and a lot more reasonable but IMO many people aren't responsible enough to own multiples of those either. My neighbor has a new one that's scared (shy) of me though it terrorizes their other next door neighbors. The thing is they're all animals and to some extent will act like one. Their other neighbors show fear and the dog picks up on that.
 

Darwin333

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Good temperament and a lot more reasonable but IMO many people aren't responsible enough to own multiples of those either. My neighbor has a new one that's scared (shy) of me though it terrorizes their other next door neighbors. The thing is they're all animals and to some extent will act like one. Their other neighbors show fear and the dog picks up on that.

Would you ever own one?
 

bradly1101

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I looked it up once, and found that about fifty people a year are killed by dogs in the U.S., mostly children and the elderly, and mostly by pit bulls and mastiffs.

Edit: Oops, I didn't see the post above with this info. My memory about the numbers failed me too. It's wise to be wary.
 

mindless1

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Would you ever own one?
One yes, a pack of two or more, only if I had a litter and couldn't let go, but would convince myself to do so, more than one large dog is chaos unless you live in a far less than urban area... now I'm drifting too far into opinion.
 
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DigDog

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back in my times, the killer breed was Dobermann. They were well known for being savage dog and almost every death-by-dog was perpetrated by Dobermanns. And German Sheperds, obviously. Maybe a few other big dogs.
Maybe, the reason is that in my time, if you wanted to buy a dog specifically because you wanted a mean dog, a dog made on purpose to kill people, you would go with the breed known for killing people.
This already means you are a person who buys a dog for .. "guard", which also indicates how you will train your dog.

Now, funny thing, Dobermanns don't kill people anymore. They are now considered "fashion" dogs because of the black mantle and the sleek shape. Did their genetic makeup change, or are they being handled by different people?
 

GagHalfrunt

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At least my cats will wait until I die of natural causes before they start eating me.

Yeah, but you know they're wishing for that day to come soon. If they ever figure out a way to whack you in your sleep you're screwed.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Now, funny thing, Dobermanns don't kill people anymore. They are now considered "fashion" dogs because of the black mantle and the sleek shape. Did their genetic makeup change, or are they being handled by different people?

The people that used to have Dobermans have pit bulls now.
 

SlowSpyder

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Every pit I've known has been a push over, sweet dogs generally speaking. I can't imagine a better family dog than my lab / pit mix. Sad these things happen, but over all dog fatalities are very, very small in number statistically.
 

DigDog

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the point here is that there is a false concept that dogs are "nice". Dogs are carnivorous, predatory animals. Their normal behaviour is to hunt and kill a live prey, and they readily do this when abandoned or when they go wild.
On the other hand, dogs which are properly reared, through affection, regular feeding, training, because of their genetic pack mentality, see the owner as their master and see themselves as part of their family. Dogs are nice ONLY when properly raised. Hell, all animals can be friendly, orcas, lion seals, polar bears, wolves. They will still kill you if their instinct tell them to.

Pitbulls may be medium sized, but they have a formidable muscular structure. They were bred for fighting, and will exhibit a minutely larger tendency to attack. The problem is that you give these dogs to people who A) do not know how to raise them, and B) actually try to make the dog more aggressive. Generally, they are aggressive and allround bad people themselves, and my source for that statement is: i lived in the London ghettos, where everyone has a pitbull for the specific reason to use them to attack people. And finally, BECAUSE of this, the last 20'years worth of statistics have been made completely useless, it's practically all outliers.

If you train equal numbers of different breeds, professionally, or even just in "a reasonable way", you will see that german sheperds are the ones who cause the most hospital visits; cockers are the most likely to turn on their owners. Small dogs do not even figure in the statistics, but even small dogs will bite, they just don't cause injuries.
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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^ Personally I don't want a quantity of (even one) pets that can take me out whether they're pigeons or wolves. Pit bulls can easily take the average young woman or child out.

Pit bulls in particular were bred to have an extremely strong bite so yes that breed in particular is more dangerous, enough such that the average owner lacks the level of responsibility needed to keep others safe around it.

Consider a butter knife. You probably would allow children to use one at the dinner table while you might not hand them a machete to play with. Pit bull vs other safer breeds = same thing.
Over generalizations from someone who knows little about dog's (or knives). I did allow my kids to use sharp knives and they still have all their fingers. You know what's even more dangerous than a pit bull in so far as temperament? Pomeranians.
 
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BudAshes

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I have a great dane that is a 1.5 years old that is 150lbs. He loves play fighting with pit bulls as despite being 1/3 of his size they can still hang with him. That certainly says something about the breed and their incredible strength and athleticism.
 

Harrod

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My only experience with a pit bull was watching it attack my parents dog unprovoked.
I do get that any breed can be dangerous, but there is something about these dogs that draws a certain part of society that has issues raising anything correctly including their own kids.
 
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