Woman's dogs maul her to death

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Fenixgoon

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I have a great dane that is a 1.5 years old that is 150lbs. He loves play fighting with pit bulls as despite being 1/3 of his size they can still hang with him. That certainly says something about the breed and their incredible strength and athleticism.

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KillerCharlie

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Some people have a ridiculous belief that all dog breeds are equally peaceful to humans, and anything bad that one dog does is 100% due to it's upbringing and could not possibly be due to the breed. Dogs were bred for hundreds (or thousands) of years to have different characteristics - that's the entire point of breeding. Breeds do not all have the same disposition, physique, and innate tendencies.
 

Darwin333

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One yes, a pack of two or more, only if I had a litter and couldn't let go, but would convince myself to do so, more than one large dog is chaos unless you live in a far less than urban area... now I'm drifting too far into opinion.

While I am glad that you don't discount the great pets that they can be I do have to ask about one of your previous statements:

Personally I don't want a quantity of (even one) pets that can take me out whether they're pigeons or wolves.

I had a German Shepherd Dog that could have easily taken you and me out together. Granted he was an extremely well tempered dog and the only way he would ever harm anyone is if you harmed one of my, or in his mind, his, children. I'm sure if some stranger jumped the fence into his backyard it likely wouldn't have worked out very well for them either. Funny story, I was sitting at my desk when I heard all kinds of a commotion in the backyard and the dog was going nuts. I grabbed my shotgun, ran back there and Cosmo, my dog, was sitting there looking at me with the happiest proud look on his face like "daddy I did good didn't I". I'm looking around and not seeing a damn thing so I'm like WTF. Then I hear someone yell "man, grab that damn dog", I still don't see anyone so I'm like wtf. Then I hear "up hear" and I see the meter checker on the roof of my damn shed. After I got him down he said he was just doing the route for a week while the normal guy was on vacation, I asked him why he didn't knock when he saw the Beware of Dog sign and he said he thought it was just for show. Evidentally Cosmo was on the other side of the yard so he didn't hear him until he was halfway into the yard. He didn't get bit or anything and I can't believe he was able to get his ass up on top of the shed but I guess he was very highly "motivated".

I called him my big goofy buddy, best dog and buddy I've ever had. He could do the agility courses flawlessly but once he got into the house he was the clumsiest bastard. I swear I could have so seen Cosmo ending up in a situation like this:

 

Darwin333

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back in my times, the killer breed was Dobermann. They were well known for being savage dog and almost every death-by-dog was perpetrated by Dobermanns. And German Sheperds, obviously. Maybe a few other big dogs.
Maybe, the reason is that in my time, if you wanted to buy a dog specifically because you wanted a mean dog, a dog made on purpose to kill people, you would go with the breed known for killing people.
This already means you are a person who buys a dog for .. "guard", which also indicates how you will train your dog.

Now, funny thing, Dobermanns don't kill people anymore. They are now considered "fashion" dogs because of the black mantle and the sleek shape. Did their genetic makeup change, or are they being handled by different people?

While genetics do play a role, "nurture" is far more important on how aggressive or non-aggressive a dog will be. If you raise a dog to be a family pet it will be very unlikely to bite anyone without reason unless you got a dog that has been bred to fight. Even dogs that are properly trained to "protect" are highly unlikely to bite without reason. I was pretty involved in our local Schutzhund with my German Shepard Dog. There had to have been 50 dogs of varying levels and even more that came on occasion just to work the dogs a bit and have fun. A lot of the exercises included having the dog attack someone in a bite suit and I never once heard of them biting anyone without reason. Heck the only story I heard of one of the biting someone was a guy that commanded his dog to go after a guy that had broken into his car and was still inside it. Since the dog was properly trained he also stopped attacking on command which believe it or not is one of the hardest things to teach. I've seen kids whack the shit out of these dogs, my own kids and their friends have accidentally whacked mine pretty good with a plastic bat and other things that had to have hurt like hell, and not even a nip. At one of their birthday parties one dad was screaming at his kid pretty bad and Cosmo did start growling but I told him no and he ran over to me, the dad stopped screaming all the same though
 

Ichinisan

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"In a surprising twist," these people were training them to be violent.

Based on the OP, these people were trash. It says they probably used the dogs for fighting, so they were trained and encouraged to be violent.

Pits are the most loving affectionate dogs I've ever dealt with. People can be horrible.

"Never heard of [breed1] or [breed2]" is a stupid point. Rottweilers, Dobermans, and even German shepherds are repeatedly reported in the media as "pit bulls" when they attack someone.
 
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Darwin333

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If you haven't heard of the ones you listed killing people you simply didn't look...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

Reading through the stories that are detailed the vast majority of the dogs had previously bitten someone or shown serious aggression. If any dog I own shows aggression I'd get rid of it if I could with full disclosure, a single bite of a child or a bite to an adult that wasn't absurdly provoked and I'd put it down.
 

Ichinisan

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Reading through the stories that are detailed the vast majority of the dogs had previously bitten someone or shown serious aggression. If any dog I own shows aggression I'd get rid of it if I could with full disclosure, a single bite of a child or a bite to an adult that wasn't absurdly provoked and I'd put it down.
Pit bulls are no more aggressive than any other breed unless they are raised to be that way.

One of the meanest dogs I know is a golden retriever. I have been bitten by it more than once. I have still never been bitten by a pitbull.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Over generalizations from someone who knows little about dog's (or knives). I did allow my kids to use sharp knives and they still have all their fingers. You know what's even more dangerous than a pit bull in so far as temperament? Pomeranians.

So what? It's easier to get a fire cracker to go off than it is to override the safeguards on a nuke, but which one causes the most damage? Anklebiters suck, they're prone to snap and bite often. And yet nobody in the history of the world has ever used the phrase "mauled to death" when talking about a Pomeranian attack. Pitbulls are dangerous and often deadly, Pomeranians are annoying, big difference.
 

MrSquished

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Every pit I've known has been a push over, sweet dogs generally speaking. I can't imagine a better family dog than my lab / pit mix. Sad these things happen, but over all dog fatalities are very, very small in number statistically.

Same here. I too have a lab/pit mix and he is sweet as pie. I live in an urban area and you see a lot of pits being walked on the streets. I tried searching for pit attacks around here and you can't really find anything besides once every year and a half. And those are in poorer areas. Considering the amount of pits here that is saying something.
 
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My brother has a bunch of pits. Fuck those dogs. One decided he didn't like a lab puppy messing with his food and chomped down on its head. Lab puppy was drooling on itself (crushed skull) and had to be put down. Sure they seem nice but no way am I going to take the chance of coming home to see my wife as dog food when I get home from work.
 
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Pit bulls are no more aggressive than any other breed unless they are raised to be that way.

One of the meanest dogs I know is a golden retriever. I have been bitten by it more than once. I have still never been bitten by a pitbull.
Well you're lucky because if it was a pitbull youd likely have some life altering injuries to deal with. They are dangerous as fuck and the owners are usually irresponsible dipshits.
 

madoka

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And yet nobody in the history of the world has ever used the phrase "mauled to death" when talking about a Pomeranian attack.

While I agree with you, technically . . .

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/09/local/me-34015

A 6-week-old girl died Saturday night after she was mauled by the family's dog, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

An uncle baby-sitting the newborn left the child on a bed unattended while he went to the kitchen to prepare a bottle for her, Solis said. When he returned, he found the family's Pomeranian dog on the bed attacking the baby, Solis said.
 
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purbeast0

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If the dog in the picture in the OP is the dog that killed her, it is NOT a pit bull. People never seem to actually know what a pit bull is or looks like.
I also don't think that the OP read the article. It flat out says the dogs that attacked were bred for fighting.
 

FIVR

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Typical arguments of pit owners when they are confronted by the typical monthly death of an owner at the hands of their pit bull:

a) It's not a real Pit Bull, it just looks like one
b) The owners were terrible people. If you raise them right (like I do), they won't kill you.
c) Small dogs have worse tempers (followed by anecdote about how amazingly nice and good with children their own Pit Bull is)



These dogs have been bred to fight and kill for decades if not centuries and they are very good at it. Most of the time they are fine around full-sized people, but put them around another small dog or small person and their instinct kicks in and they kill.


Thankfully they are pretty much exclusively a pet owned by dregs of society and most nice areas have already banned them. My area does not allow them to be walked in public.


To the pit owners in this thread making excuses for these dogs, how would you feel if your pit bull killed you and your fellow pit defenders decided to call you a terrible owner who abused their dog and didn't properly raise it? That's exactly what will happen if your dog goes insane. This woman is already being called a monster by Pit defenders in this very thread merely because she was killed.
 
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Pulsar

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the point here is that there is a false concept that dogs are "nice". Dogs are carnivorous, predatory animals. Their normal behaviour is to hunt and kill a live prey, and they readily do this when abandoned or when they go wild.
On the other hand, dogs which are properly reared, through affection, regular feeding, training, because of their genetic pack mentality, see the owner as their master and see themselves as part of their family. Dogs are nice ONLY when properly raised. Hell, all animals can be friendly, orcas, lion seals, polar bears, wolves. They will still kill you if their instinct tell them to.

Pitbulls may be medium sized, but they have a formidable muscular structure. They were bred for fighting, and will exhibit a minutely larger tendency to attack. The problem is that you give these dogs to people who A) do not know how to raise them, and B) actually try to make the dog more aggressive. Generally, they are aggressive and allround bad people themselves, and my source for that statement is: i lived in the London ghettos, where everyone has a pitbull for the specific reason to use them to attack people. And finally, BECAUSE of this, the last 20'years worth of statistics have been made completely useless, it's practically all outliers.

If you train equal numbers of different breeds, professionally, or even just in "a reasonable way", you will see that german sheperds are the ones who cause the most hospital visits; cockers are the most likely to turn on their owners. Small dogs do not even figure in the statistics, but even small dogs will bite, they just don't cause injuries.

This guy gets it.
 
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Pulsar

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My only experience with a pit bull was watching it attack my parents dog unprovoked.
I do get that any breed can be dangerous, but there is something about these dogs that draws a certain part of society that has issues raising anything correctly including their own kids.

Sorry, but you don't really know dogs. Dogs rarely attack 'unprovoked'. Most people have never bothered to understand the body language of dogs and so the dog's warning goes unheeded until something bad happens.


I'll give you an example - dogs actually wag their tails in a couple different ways and only one type of wag can be construed as joy or happiness.

Another example - most dogs consider hugging to be threatening. If you put your head on top of theirs you're signifying dominance over them. If it's a kid doing this, then there's a good chance the dog might react.
 
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I Saw OJ

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Sad thing that happened. I'm not a pitbull fan but it doesn't sound like these dogs were pits. I've never seen one in the 125lbs range.
 

zerocool84

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Typical arguments of pit owners when they are confronted by the typical monthly death of an owner at the hands of their pit bull:

a) It's not a real Pit Bull, it just looks like one
b) The owners were terrible people. If you raise them right (like I do), they won't kill you.
c) Small dogs have worse tempers (followed by anecdote about how amazingly nice and good with children their own Pit Bull is)



These dogs have been bred to fight and kill for decades if not centuries and they are very good at it. Most of the time they are fine around full-sized people, but put them around another small dog or small person and their instinct kicks in and they kill.


Thankfully they are pretty much exclusively a pet owned by dregs of society and most nice areas have already banned them. My area does not allow them to be walked in public.


To the pit owners in this thread making excuses for these dogs, how would you feel if your pit bull killed you and your fellow pit defenders decided to call you a terrible owner who abused their dog and didn't properly raise it? That's exactly what will happen if your dog goes insane. This woman is already being called a monster by Pit defenders in this very thread merely because she was killed.
I don't have a pit bull or any dog at all but the dog in the OP picture is not a pit bull at all.
 

destrekor

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Every pit I've known has been a push over, sweet dogs generally speaking. I can't imagine a better family dog than my lab / pit mix. Sad these things happen, but over all dog fatalities are very, very small in number statistically.

Mixes have the chance to be superior to purebreds. My Amstaff mix (about 50% according to Embark's DNA test) is an absolute sweetheart, a full blooded pushover.

And that's another thing: "pitbull" or "pit bull" are as much generic terms as they are a specific breed. There's an American Pit Bull Terrier, which was inbred for some time to establish the breed, and then there are pit bull dogs that covers multiple breeds, including the Staffordshire Terrier and Amstaff, along with some bull dogs - even the English Bull Terrier falls into this group. There were all often used for bull baiting (dog(s) vs bull) and bred for the purpose. Some breeds have been bred beyond that if they have a decent bloodline but there are ones that are more prone to violent tendencies - as common as they are for mankind. It's not a race/breed thing, it's just a genetics lottery. It's a personality, in a nutshell. Those vary within breeds just as much as between breeds, and what's in fashion helps dictate what becomes the more common genetic traits in a given area.
 

skyking

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How do you feel about shepherd dogs?
My background: I've had dob/shep crosses, rottweilers, and trained protection dogs for a while in the 90's.
I personally would not want a shepherd. They tend to be a bit too wound up for me. This is purely subjective, but of all those big breeds the rotties were the most laid back.
I have trained some awesome shepherds, but each one was a little too intense for my liking. The rest of the shepherds i have interacted with have not been the best, either. Maybe just my bad luck, but lazy owners let those behaviors go unchecked in the shepherds.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
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Typical arguments of pit owners when they are confronted by the typical monthly death of an owner at the hands of their pit bull:

a) It's not a real Pit Bull, it just looks like one
b) The owners were terrible people. If you raise them right (like I do), they won't kill you.
c) Small dogs have worse tempers (followed by anecdote about how amazingly nice and good with children their own Pit Bull is)



These dogs have been bred to fight and kill for decades if not centuries and they are very good at it. Most of the time they are fine around full-sized people, but put them around another small dog or small person and their instinct kicks in and they kill.


Thankfully they are pretty much exclusively a pet owned by dregs of society and most nice areas have already banned them. My area does not allow them to be walked in public.


To the pit owners in this thread making excuses for these dogs, how would you feel if your pit bull killed you and your fellow pit defenders decided to call you a terrible owner who abused their dog and didn't properly raise it? That's exactly what will happen if your dog goes insane. This woman is already being called a monster by Pit defenders in this very thread merely because she was killed.
Sorry, anyone who partakes in or enjoys watching 2 dogs rip each other apart as "entertainment" is a sick bastard. I've had a Pitt for 13 years, we were not looking for one but our neighbors teen had one that needed a home. Since his dad was going to bring her to the Humane society that would have been a death-sentence, we took her in at that point and she has never shown any signs of attacking anyone. Now she will, (with smaller "yap" dogs) show aggression, but she's always been walked with a leash because I realize the breed's potential for hostility to another dog and I don't want to ever have to apologize for a possible attack on another dog. That being said, she has never shown any human aggression at all, you have to realize that because there are so many Pitt bulls around some are bound to be owned by idiots/asshole*. Yes, a Pitt has a better set of physical tool's to cause harm, but to claim they are more aggressive than a Shepard of Rot or any other breed is simply mistaken. The fact that they possess the tool's to do great harm makes them a huge magnet for the *uck-wad's of the world.
 
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Darwin333

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My background: I've had dob/shep crosses, rottweilers, and trained protection dogs for a while in the 90's.
I personally would not want a shepherd. They tend to be a bit too wound up for me. This is purely subjective, but of all those big breeds the rotties were the most laid back.
I have trained some awesome shepherds, but each one was a little too intense for my liking. The rest of the shepherds i have interacted with have not been the best, either. Maybe just my bad luck, but lazy owners let those behaviors go unchecked in the shepherds.

Yeah, they were bred to be working dogs and love to be worked. If you don't "work" them in some way they will get in all kinds of trouble. I built mine some mini agility/obstacle courses in the backward out of PVC pipe and he loved running them RIGHT. If he messed up he wasn't happy at all and wanted to do it again. He also absolutely loved playing frisbee. They aren't the type of dog you can just throw in the backyard and feed twice a day while occasionally playing with them.
 

Ichinisan

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This woman is already being called a monster by Pit defenders in this very thread merely because she was killed.
No. She's a "monster" because she raises them to be violent. To intentionally "fight them" with other dogs. Understand?
 

madoka

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I also don't think that the OP read the article. It flat out says the dogs that attacked were bred for fighting.

No. She's a "monster" because she raises them to be violent. To intentionally "fight them" with other dogs. Understand?

I think that line you guys are referring to was just a case of bad reporting. I think the sheriff said that pit bulls were bred for fighting and the reporter wrote that sentence in a dumb way, IMHO.

This is not some cruel woman who was raising fighting dogs.

 

mindless1

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Over generalizations from someone who knows little about dog's (or knives). I did allow my kids to use sharp knives and they still have all their fingers. You know what's even more dangerous than a pit bull in so far as temperament? Pomeranians.

Obviously you post a lot more than you experience. Telling me you're reckless is not telling me you are reasonable or sane. It's just telling me that you have a lot less experience because you spent so much more time online than in real life. Nobody is impressed if you were negligent and your children survived it. Most people still have their fingers, it's not a proud parent legitimization moment.
 
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