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darkxshade

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Originally posted by: Phokus

i don't see how putting on makeup will change your egg/sperm to produce prettier children

You're taking my explanation too literally. I'm saying women are more likely than men to take care of themselves because attractiveness is high on the list for men in finding a mate and not vice versa. And so they exercise, eat right, among other things... not just putting on makeup to preserve their attractiveness. In a way, it is evolution at work here in a long enough time line. Of course you could say men also exercise and eat right too but I'm not a woman so I don't know the differences but there are. Women spend way more time grooming themselves for men so there's probably lots of things they do that preserve their beauty genetically that I'm not privy to.
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Human beings have been around for about 200,000 years.

More than that. I'd say a million, counting the Austrolapithicene, which are regarded as the original man
 

nerp

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Dec 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Appearance isn't really evolutionary. Selective breeding can produce signficiant differences in just a generation or two. It's like breeding rabbits or dogs.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: nerp
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Appearance isn't really evolutionary. Selective breeding can produce signficiant differences in just a generation or two. It's like breeding rabbits or dogs.

people are not dogs, dogs are esp unusual. you don't see such insane variety with other pets/livestock.

appearance if selected for has everything to do with evolution.
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: nerp
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Appearance isn't really evolutionary. Selective breeding can produce signficiant differences in just a generation or two. It's like breeding rabbits or dogs.

Isn't that all part of what evolution is?
 

91TTZ

Lifer
Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: destrekor


It's natural eugenics to sum it up. Those with the best genes tend to have better chances of reproducing, and those good genes get passed on to potentially a larger group of offspring.
In most species, this process would be extremely quick. However, we have these things called ethics. People who wouldn't normally be seen as fit to reproduce, find others who are equal, and those segments of "bad genes" get to live on. Not that there is really anything wrong with that, because we don't have the natural challenges that force us to fight for the survival of the species in this modern day.


"Eugenics" is just "genetics" with a negative stigma attached to it. People still practice the same thing but it's been given more socially acceptable names. Instead of being labeled as a bad thing, you're spinning it differently. With modern understanding of genetics these practices are becoming even more common. If a single woman wants to have a baby whose father has blond hair and is over 6 feet tall, she can go to a sperm bank and get impregnated with sperm from a donor with those traits. Also, women often get screened during their pregnancy for potential problems. If the screening detects that the fetus has downs, she can choose to abort the pregnancy.
 

uclaLabrat

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Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Article ignores the fact that many people settle for less desirable mates, and reproduce.

:music:If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
never make a pretty woman your wife!:music:

KT

Went to a wedding last weekend. This was the song that the bride and groom exited to. Awkward doesn't even begin to explain it, to say nothing of the reception.
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: uclaLabrat
Went to a wedding last weekend. This was the song that the bride and groom exited to. Awkward doesn't even begin to explain it, to say nothing of the reception.

Sounds like something ATOT would come up with. :laugh:
 

Gigantopithecus

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Dec 14, 2004
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Epic fail: "The heritability of attractiveness is widely accepted. When Elizabeth Jagger became a model, her mother, the former model Jerry Hall, said: ?It?s in her genes.? "

This is the worst type of science journalism.
 

Gigantopithecus

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Human beings have been around for about 200,000 years.

O RLY? According to what evidence?
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: nerp
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Appearance isn't really evolutionary. Selective breeding can produce signficiant differences in just a generation or two. It's like breeding rabbits or dogs.

people are not dogs, dogs are esp unusual. you don't see such insane variety with other pets/livestock.

appearance if selected for has everything to do with evolution.

Dogs are only unusual because of the degree to which we've bred them for different purposes, including purely aesthetic ones. There's no reason (aside from moral of course) we couldn't do the same with human beings, given only a fraction of the 10,000-15,000 year time frame during which we've been breeding dogs. But you're right, people aren't dogs- they're apes.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Human beings have been around for about 200,000 years.

O RLY? According to what evidence?

He's probably talking about the oldest Homo Sapien fossils.
 

Wag

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That's why God invented electric nose and ear-hair clippers (not all at once).
 

Xstatic1

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Originally posted by: moshquerade

and if women are becoming ever more beautiful it's because we have make up.

:laugh:

don't forget plastic surgery.
 

Xstatic1

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Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
take a stroll through your local wal mart and tell me with a straight face women are getting prettier

r da chicks prettier at let's say, Target?
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Xstatic1
Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
take a stroll through your local wal mart and tell me with a straight face women are getting prettier

r da chicks prettier at let's say, Target?

seriously, talk about biased sample
 

Gigantopithecus

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Human beings have been around for about 200,000 years.

O RLY? According to what evidence?

He's probably talking about the oldest Homo Sapien fossils.

...which are not 200,000 years old.
 

Dumac

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Dec 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Human beings have been around for about 200,000 years.

O RLY? According to what evidence?

He's probably talking about the oldest Homo Sapien fossils.

...which are not 200,000 years old.

Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago.
 

Gigantopithecus

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Originally posted by: Dumac
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Human beings have been around for about 200,000 years.

O RLY? According to what evidence?

He's probably talking about the oldest Homo Sapien fossils.

...which are not 200,000 years old.

Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago.

Since when is wikipedia an authority? That's a gross oversimplification, just like the 'science' described in the OP. I guess you can't expect much when they ask a model to define heritability, lol.

My point in questioning the 200 kya date for the beginning of the species is simple: you can't do it. It's not how evolution works, and just because a noted paleoanthropologist comes up with a character suite (chin, arched occipital bone, high parietal vault, high frontal, etc.) that starts showing up around 200 kya, that's not when modernity begins. Hell there are plenty of people alive today that don't have many of the characters we'd consider modern...I saw a dude with browridges out of the Pleistocene on the bus this afternoon.

Similarly, how do you quantify 'attractiveness?' It's a completely subjective measure, there are no genes that produce 'total hottie,' 'fugly troll,' or 'meh' physical appearance phenotypes. It's not just subjective between cultures, it's subjective within cultures. To say "physical attractiveness is a highly heritable trait" is so absurd it's laughable. The only objective indirect measure that could possibly relate to attractiveness is symmetry, but that has more to do with health during development & is only an indirect proxy of disease resistance & normal metabolism - not exactly something the average person is going to recognize as attractive. When was the last time you said, "Wow, your face is so symmetrical, I want you now!"

No wonder these types of studies are published in psychology journals & not genetics journals. The peer reviewers probably learned all they know about genetics in high school. If you can't quantify it, you can't study its heritability, period. The same logical fallacy produces books like The Bell Curve (also written by psychologists who illustrate that a little knowledge can be dangerous).

Further, ?For women, looks are much less important in a man than his ability to look after her when she is pregnant and nursing, periods when women are vulnerable to predators. Historically this has meant rich men tend to have more wives and many children. So the pressure is on men to be successful.?

I don't know where to even start with this breathtaking bit of nonsense. Studies of living hunter-gatherers have shown time & again that humans 1. are not subject to intense risk of predation 2. are not especially subject to predation risk when pregnant (women get eaten less than men because they don't spend as much time by themselves as men). And what is a 'rich' man? You can't even be rich until you live in an agricultural society, and those are only 12,000 years old, so to extrapolate this into the distant past is silly.

I'm not saying that men & women look for the same things in their partners, that's obviously not the case. But this is the worst sort of fast-food junk science that gets touted in less scrupulous media outlets & gives laypeople wrong ideas about what science is, how it works, & what it can do for society. Science doesn't justify crass stereotypes of hot women being with ugly but rich men.
 

Dumac

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Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: Dumac
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: z1ggy
Have we even been alive to evolve that much? Doesn't something like evolution take like hundreds of thousands of years to actually have happen?

Human beings have been around for about 200,000 years.

O RLY? According to what evidence?

He's probably talking about the oldest Homo Sapien fossils.

...which are not 200,000 years old.

Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago.

Thank you for quoting me
 
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