Women hires? – No more.

[Rifter]

I can see this happening more and more. And believe the OP is being truthful. Look at what is actually going on in this metoo movement, alot of it is real and thats a good thing of course. But alot of it is baseless fake allegations which still are having real effects and thats a bad thing. Look at the recent Ontario conservative leader stepping down as one of dozens if not hundreds of examples of likely baseless/fake allegations , due to two totally anonymous claims, with no police reports, no actual statements made to police or anyone about it, but yet a provincial political party leader is run out of town. If the allegations were truthful there would be a paper trail and police report of a crime being committed or the accusers would have made official statement not hide in the shadows, but in the political world no proof of wrongdoing is needed at all, just baseless anonymous claims are enough to ruin ones political career its happening every day. And if its happening in politics to remove ones enemies rest assured the population is seeing its success on TV and im sure people are making sure its happening in other places/jobs as well not just politics.

So even if you do manage to get your employees to totally stop the sexual harassment that isnt going to stop the false accusations which will still eat up HR/Lawyers time and money and still effect the companies bottom line. Only way to fix that and make it stop 100% both real and fake is to do what the OP's company is doing, or ensure only the allegations with actual physical evidence are considered and start ignoring any accusations without evidence or a accuser who is known and not hiding in the shadows .

The real people getting help from this meetoo movement are great and im glad this is ending some longtime abuse, but all the fake allegations are hurting its legitimacy alot, they would be doing better to ignore faceless evidence less allegations IMO and focus only one the allegations that are provable with actual real evidence. Its making it to easy to just make stuff up and get what you want.

 

[tortoise]

Some survive . . Ed Henry . . Charles Payne.

 

[zinfamous]

You are a brainwashed ninny nanny. Men need women and vice versa.

If I only eat female made sammiches that's my bidness aight?

Something tells me that the only time you eat female-made sandwiches is when you pay for them.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I've been sexually harassed by a female at work and I'm just an average looking guy. The shit does happen in reverse. I guess I have 10 or so more years before I need to tweet about it and add my name to the #metoo movement. Legit.

That being said, my wife has had more guys randomly take their dicks out and show them to her at work than I can imagine one person should have to put up with. The difference between her and these whiny twitter babies? She puts them in their place on the spot.

this is an emotional topic and many people can't talk about it with a sensible mind. This isn't rape or forced sexual assault in most cases which is what started this whole #metoo thing. The majority of this stuff is baseless accusations by random people for things that are no more than looking at somebody wrong. It's just another empty perpetualization of the 'look at me look at me I'm offended' social media club. It really dampens the whole thing because yes, there are people out there who truly deserve to be put under a bus for their actions. On the flip side though, women need to decide if they want to be victims or not and start standing up at the time, not taking the pay and then bringing it up 20 years after the fact.

The whole "people shouldn't harass" mindset is very simple minded in that it doesn't actually stop anyone from doing it. Only the person being harassed can do that AT THAT TIME."

 

[zinfamous]

I can see this happening more and more. And believe the OP is being truthful. Look at what is actually going on in this metoo movement, alot of it is real and thats a good thing of course. But alot of it is baseless fake allegations which still are having real effects and thats a bad thing. Look at the recent Ontario conservative leader stepping down as one of dozens if not hundreds of examples of likely baseless/fake allegations , due to two totally anonymous claims, with no police reports, no actual statements made to police or anyone about it, but yet a provincial political party leader is run out of town. If the allegations were truthful there would be a paper trail and police report of a crime being committed or the accusers would have made official statement not hide in the shadows, but in the political world no proof of wrongdoing is needed at all, just baseless anonymous claims are enough to ruin ones political career its happening every day. And if its happening in politics to remove ones enemies rest assured the population is seeing its success on TV and im sure people are making sure its happening in other places/jobs as well not just politics.
.

No, not really. It's actually been long known that such cases most often go unreported, leaving no trails of paper or audio or video or anything, really. That is the express fact of the "way things just are" for many, many decades now. The pressure against making these reports is what has long kept victims in relative thrall to both their abusers and the system as a whole.

But, you're not wrong. Obviously we are seeing a clear lack of standards for vetting these cases, which is obviously exascerbated by the fact that most evidence of these claims, due to the nature of our system, simply doesn't exist. I'm not really comfortable with what that means in the now, but if anything, the fact that the response has been swift and effective, could very well end that common lack of reporting. If this movement further empowers victims to be more vocal--meaning actual reporting--then it can only be seen as a positive thing. Change is often messy, massive social readjustments even moreso. It's not supposed to be fun when living through it; one only hopes that we all come out a good bit stronger, and better off over all because of it when the dust settles.

 

[zinfamous]

Seriously, maybe a lot of you dudes should actually ask your moms what it was like growing up for them. Especially with their moms and their friends. ...it's thoroughly shocking, especially if they are open about it, now.

"Oh, that's just the way it is and you better not say anything about it!" <---commonly spoken by my grandmother and her peers, to her daughters and their friends...all the time.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Something tells me that the only time you eat female-made sandwiches is when you pay for them.

We have this place that is popular in DFW called Subway where pleasant looking females make men sammiches any way they like 'em. It also happens to be the place I mentioned earlier in the thread.

I think women and Subways are a match made in heaven.

 

[zinfamous]

I've been sexually harassed by a female at work and I'm just an average looking guy. The shit does happen in reverse. I guess I have 10 or so more years before I need to tweet about it and add my name to the #metoo movement. Legit.

That being said, my wife has had more guys randomly take their dicks out and show them to her at work than I can imagine one person should have to put up with. The difference between her and these whiny twitter babies? She puts them in their place on the spot.

this is an emotional topic and many people can't talk about it with a sensible mind. This isn't rape or forced sexual assault in most cases which is what started this whole #metoo thing. The majority of this stuff is baseless accusations by random people for things that are no more than looking at somebody wrong. It's just another empty perpetualization of the 'look at me look at me I'm offended' social media club. It really dampens the whole thing because yes, there are people out there who truly deserve to be put under a bus for their actions. On the flip side though, women need to decide if they want to be victims or not and start standing up at the time, not taking the pay and then bringing it up 20 years after the fact.

See my post following yours. Yes, they do and one hopes that in these cases, with a now-known willingness of society to actually do something about it (until now--never), then that could/should start happening. Harrassment along these lines has just, flat out, long been accepted by the general culture, on average. It doesn't work that way in every individual case, but it has been very prevelant.

 

[Ns1]

That being said, my wife has had more guys randomly take their dicks out and show them to her at work than I can imagine one person should have to put up with. The difference between her and these whiny twitter babies? She puts them in their place on the spot.

where the fuck does your wife work? wtf

 

[zinfamous]

where the fuck does your wife work? wtf

I mean...one can only guess, right?

by that I mean, pics?

 

[ch33zw1z]

where the fuck does your wife work? wtf

Hospital or strip club?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Hospital or strip club?

She works in retail actually. I think it happens at least once or twice every couple of months. She came home one day and plops down on the couch and says "I swear to christ if I see one more penis this week..."

Of course, you know what I promptly did

 

[Stopsignhank]

I am sorry that your wife has to put up with that. I admit that it is good she tells the guys off when she sees it, but is she telling anybody about it? If it is a coworker they should be fired. If it is a customer then they should be arrested. They would probably have to register as a sex offender for the rest of their lives. That is how things like this will change and hopefully stop.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I am sorry that your wife has to put up with that. I admit that it is good she tells the guys off when she sees it, but is she telling anybody about it? If it is a coworker they should be fired. If it is a customer then they should be arrested. They would probably have to register as a sex offender for the rest of their lives. That is how things like this will change and hopefully stop.

Oh she has. Usually it is customers, one time it was a vendor - and he was fired. Most times it has happened it was caught on camera. The point is, you can either be the victim or not be the victim. You either do something about it, or let it go. (In these situations). Maybe it's easier for me to say that being a man, but I've always been around strong women who'd never put up with that stuff.

 

[Stopsignhank]

Good, I am glad to hear that. These guys need to be hit in the head with a 2x4 so they will stop.

 

[Jeeebus]

She works in retail actually. I think it happens at least once or twice every couple of months. She came home one day and plops down on the couch and says "I swear to christ if I see one more penis this week..."

Of course, you know what I promptly did

My same reaction after binge watching Rome and/or Game of Thrones.

 

[feralkid]

We have this place that is popular in DFW called Subway where pleasant looking females make men sammiches any way they like 'em. It also happens to be the place I mentioned earlier in the thread.

Swing and a miss.

 

[FelixDeCat]

She works in retail actually. I think it happens at least once or twice every couple of months. She came home one day and plops down on the couch and says "I swear to christ if I see one more penis this week..."

I thought you were bullshittin' us, but apparently whipping it out to strangers at the store is a "thing" these days:

https://www.google.com/search?q=exposing+himself+retail&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

[ch33zw1z]

She works in retail actually. I think it happens at least once or twice every couple of months. She came home one day and plops down on the couch and says "I swear to christ if I see one more penis this week..."

Of course, you know what I promptly did

Lol...ok but what type of retail store

 

[Ns1]

Lol...ok but what type of retail store

probably a manager at Games Workshop.

 

[sdifox]

I can see this happening more and more. And believe the OP is being truthful. Look at what is actually going on in this metoo movement, alot of it is real and thats a good thing of course. But alot of it is baseless fake allegations which still are having real effects and thats a bad thing. Look at the recent Ontario conservative leader stepping down as one of dozens if not hundreds of examples of likely baseless/fake allegations , due to two totally anonymous claims, with no police reports, no actual statements made to police or anyone about it, but yet a provincial political party leader is run out of town. If the allegations were truthful there would be a paper trail and police report of a crime being committed or the accusers would have made official statement not hide in the shadows, but in the political world no proof of wrongdoing is needed at all, just baseless anonymous claims are enough to ruin ones political career its happening every day. And if its happening in politics to remove ones enemies rest assured the population is seeing its success on TV and im sure people are making sure its happening in other places/jobs as well not just politics.

So even if you do manage to get your employees to totally stop the sexual harassment that isnt going to stop the false accusations which will still eat up HR/Lawyers time and money and still effect the companies bottom line. Only way to fix that and make it stop 100% both real and fake is to do what the OP's company is doing, or ensure only the allegations with actual physical evidence are considered and start ignoring any accusations without evidence or a accuser who is known and not hiding in the shadows .

The real people getting help from this meetoo movement are great and im glad this is ending some longtime abuse, but all the fake allegations are hurting its legitimacy alot, they would be doing better to ignore faceless evidence less allegations IMO and focus only one the allegations that are provable with actual real evidence. Its making it to easy to just make stuff up and get what you want.

His own people ran him out of town. You are forgetting a week later party president was ousted too. Power play facilitated by accusations. Brown pissed on nomination process of a few ridings and grassroot got pissed. Inflated memberships is also an issue. Let's see what happens now.

Way to make the election interesting. I thought PC has it in the bag, now not so much.

 

[Darwin333]

adopt

No. The way to ensure that you are not liable is to comply with laws w/r/t employer obligations and liability for sexual harassment. (i.e., clear written policies, training, HR reporting processes, etc.) Then you're not liable for your employees being pervy assholes.

Small business? Don't like reading? Fine - then do whatever you want and keep your mouth shut: same applies if you don't want to hire a minority, a republican, a gay person, a Wiccan, whatever. STFU and get away with shit. Post it on Facebook and experience consequences.

I can see lots of ways that a company at the very least gets dragged into lawsuits even if they do everything 100% right. With the cost of defending yourself being so ludicrous it's basically a no-win scenario. I'm not saying that it is right or even a good idea not to hire women, it isn't, I was just making a point.

 

[sdifox]

She works in retail actually. I think it happens at least once or twice every couple of months. She came home one day and plops down on the couch and says "I swear to christ if I see one more penis this week..."

Of course, you know what I promptly did

Get her a pair of kitchen shears with holder. Next time a perp whips it out she just has to brandish the shears and ask "How short do you want it?"

 

[Darwin333]

No No and fucking no!!!! You know the way to make sure that women do not file any harassment claims? You do not harass women. Treat them as equals. The thought of "Hey we can't hire a woman here because Joe is going to say something to them". To me the answer is simple, you get rid of Joe.

I am glad the Metoo movement is happening and that my daughter might not have to worry about the asshole Joe's in the world. The Metoo movement is not self centered, it stands for "That bullshit happened to Me Too and it is time to stop it"

But you don't know if Joe is going to say something until after he says it... The only way to be sure is to get rid of all the men.

 

[Darwin333]

She works in retail actually. I think it happens at least once or twice every couple of months. She came home one day and plops down on the couch and says "I swear to christ if I see one more penis this week..."

Of course, you know what I promptly did

Got embarrassed when she said the one she saw earlier was bigger than yours?