Women In the Draft.... No WAY!!!

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Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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I got drafted. But I still think drafting women is a tool of last resort, along with drafting under age teenagers.

Antiquated as they are, the moral and ethical traditions our nation are beholden to is in direct conflict with forcing women into battle as a draft would in fact do to them.

Maybe with the passage of time, those attitudes may change. But at the moment, I really don't think the idea of forcing our wives, daughters and precious loved ones into battle is going to go over too well.

Conditional drafts where women may choose their specialty sounds more palatable for now.

How is that any difference from forcing a son into battle? Are they more expendable loved ones than daughters?
 

Spungo

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So instead of throwing out the draft, they decided to draft women? The beatings will continue until morale improves.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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I have no issues with expanding selective service registration.

Not so fond of having a standing volunteer army. The founding fathers would not approve. Seems it's a lot easier to start a war these days. People think twice when conscription policies have to be enacted to get into a conflict.

My brother joined after he received his notice but did not open it. I lucked out in the lottery and then the next year they canceled the draft altogether.

Still what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Reminds me of the early days of feminism. There was this b.. I mean woman where I worked that claimed she was a real feminist, but she still wanted doors opened for her.
 
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compuwiz1

Admin Emeritus Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Because equality. Having only men be registered for selective service is gender discriminatory.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
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:hmm:
If people really are more resistant to women dying in combat, maybe, irrational as it sounds, it'll promote more resistance to war as a means of solving problems?

I saw a billboard today for "Call [your utility company] before you dig! We'll come out and mark the lines for free."
Then I was thinking, even if they charged $10 for it, people would still try to save the $10. The utility company does it for free because it's probably going to end up costing them less due to prevented damages. (Yes, some people will surely just dig no matter what the price would be. Can't fix stupid, but you do have to fix the resulting damage.)

People don't always think rationally.
Men dying in war? Well sure, that just makes sense. People are so pathetic about solving problems that sometimes we think it is simply reasonable to kill each other and destroy infrastructure until someone cries Uncle.
Women dying in war? Absolutely not. That's just horrible.
 

Blue_Max

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Jul 7, 2011
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It warms my heart to see so many people use the word "equality" properly here.

Too many times, the regressives use the word more like a buffet, putting all of male and female responsibilities and benefits out to pick & choose.

"leadership, Ooo I'll have lots of that! Pay for dinner... no thanks. Responsibility? Maybe just a nibble. Military service? Yuck!"

You want the benefits? Pay the bill that comes attached to it - responsibility for yourself and others.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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Why not? Equal rights for all.

My daughter served 6 years in the Army including 1 year in Afghanistan.

/this

IF women want equality in the military they get it for everything. they have to sign up for the draft. Same punishment if they don't.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Abolish the draft permanently. Equality problem solved.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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bshole, okay for your son to enter the meat grinder?

No, someone elses son.

Thats the nature of war. The people who tend to vote for it are the ones who have nothing personal at stake. Why do you think theres an exemption for college students? People with enough money to bribe congressmen dont want their precious little darlings getting massacred.

This is sort of like a flesh & bone version of NIMBY syndrome.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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How is that any difference from forcing a son into battle? Are they more expendable loved ones than daughters?

For me it's more along the lines of the capability of the draftee to withstand the rigors of sustained close order combat and being tortured if captured. IMO, males are better equipped for that kind of.......difficult physically demanding experiences. After all, isn't that why men (for the most part) have traditionally fought wars from way back when while women traditionally filled out support roles?

I just can't see my daughter or my wife fighting hand to hand combat with a male combatant fully trained and conditioned for that role whereas I can see my son in combat just as I was.
 
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compuwiz1

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Oct 9, 1999
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Abolish the draft permanently. Equality problem solved.

When was the last time anyone you know was drafted...recently?

The draft is an option for in case we ever come to a time when we need defense and can't find enough voluntary enlistees, as it should be. There is currently no active draft, only required selective service registration. You can't abolish the draft, unless you want to risk speaking another language, at some point in the future, when we are conquered by a foreign country, because we didn't draft the soldiers we needed.
 
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pcgeek11

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Jun 12, 2005
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It wasn't really on my radar when I was 18... I registered when I went to sign up for the military and they told me I couldn't join the military if I hadn't registered for selective service.


That makes no sense. I didn't register either, but joined at the age of 18.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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Oh wow, you know what this means? TH has always said that he won't support equal rights for women until they're eligible for the draft...
 
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