Women In the Draft.... No WAY!!!

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1prophet

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Let's abolish men's and women's sports and force all teams to be coed.

False equivalence, since men are forced to register under penalty of law with certain penalties including fines and imprisonment,

yet women can choose whether or not to serve including teams that used to be men only (co-ed) without any penalties if they don't.
 

Sonikku

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If we actually USED the death penalty on a regular basis, it would significantly reduce the penal system budget.

And you only draft in time of war. That has nothing to do with big government or small government.

What slows it down is the judicial process of automatic appeals that happen immediately following being sentenced to death. It costs more money to put a man to death then it does to incarcerate him for life. Unless you're for suppressing the appeals process and judicial law in the name of efficiency, that's never going to change.
 

dank69

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If we actually USED the death penalty on a regular basis, it would significantly reduce the penal system budget.

And you only draft in time of war. That has nothing to do with big government or small government.
You are giving the government the ultimate power over your life. The draft gives the government full control over your every decision. They can tell you where to be and when and force you to kill other people, and if you don't obey you can be imprisoned or in extreme cases executed. The death penalty gives the government the power to end your life.

Oh, they can only draft in times of war? Is this supposed to give me peace of mind? Vietnam seemed like a real honorable way for the government to wield that power. How many people have been put to death now because the government put together a phony case against them?
 

Jeff7

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The only way that humanity resolves its faults is through experience. Something bad enough happens and the collective memory of it remains as a caution for as long as those people who experienced it are still alive. Then people 'forget' and the next generation gets to do it all over again.
Which is why my biggest concern is that, very soon, there will be almost no one left alive who remembers the experience of global total war.
Indeed. :\

Couple it with the Internet, where everything bad can be reported to the world in an instant.
"Crime/war is so everywhere today!" In some areas, maybe it is. Mostly, no. Sadly enough, this is a fairly peaceful time.
But 50 years ago, if there was a murder in California, New York would like never hear about it. Not so anymore. Now you'll be able to get live coverage of it for a few hours, assuming Kanye hasn't done something else to get attention.
Anything can be reported instantly.

"Society's falling apart! People didn't prey on children back in my day."
Bullshit they didn't. We've got a lousy history in a lot of respects. Those writing the books probably didn't include certain things that were too taboo to print, or things they just didn't want to say. People also have a habit of conveniently forgetting the bad little details.

Same with vaccinations: I've never been afraid of polio or smallpox or measles. I was born after vaccinations for those things were available.
One of our own presidents was crippled by polio. We've forgotten how bad it is to have diseases like that, and how much of a game-changer it was to be given immunity against them. Fear, paranoia, and ignorance take over instead.
 

Puffnstuff

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Men everywhere should come together in a class action lawsuit against the federal government for this massive EEO violation. Title VII of the Equal Rights Act of 1964 requires equal treatment of all parties and when one party is treated different than another they've been subjected to disparate impact. Requiring only men to register for selective service subjects us to disparate impact and there's nothing equal about this situation. I'd join in a suit to make this equal all the way including changing the PT standards so that a female of equal age has to perform to the same standards as a male her same age.
 

StinkyPinky

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Way back in 2004(?) i had to join the draft before they'd even let me back in the country. Not even sure what the hell that was about. I'm past the age now anyway.
 

shortylickens

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What slows it down is the judicial process of automatic appeals that happen immediately following being sentenced to death. It costs more money to put a man to death then it does to incarcerate him for life. Unless you're for suppressing the appeals process and judicial law in the name of efficiency, that's never going to change.

Like I said, USE the death penalty instead of letting people sit on death row for decades.
 

interchange

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False equivalence, since men are forced to register under penalty of law with certain penalties including fines and imprisonment,

Separate question. This has to do with any draft, not a draft's selectivity to men or women.

yet women can choose whether or not to serve including teams that used to be men only (co-ed) without any penalties if they don't.

In some cases, yes. Women can also choose to join the military that used to be men only.
 

1prophet

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Separate question. This has to do with any draft, not a draft's selectivity to men or women.



In some cases, yes. Women can also choose to join the military that used to be men only.

The excuse was that women were exempt because they couldn't be in any combat arms unit (front line not support), since that restriction has been lifted for ALL branches of military it is discriminatory to punish men for not registering but not women.

In 1981, the Supreme Court decided Rostker v. Goldberg, which addressed this very issue. At the time, an anti-war group challenged the statue that obligates men to register for selective service, arguing that the statute amounted to gender discrimination.

At the time the case was decided, the Army and Marine Corps precluded the use of women in combat as a matter of established policy, and both the Navy and the Air Force restricted women’s participation in combat. In the majority opinion, Justice William Rehnquist reasoned that "The purpose of registration was to prepare for a draft of combat troops. Since women are excluded from combat, Congress concluded that they would not be needed in the event of a draft, and therefore decided not to register them."
No body gets punished for not signing up for sports, coed or not.
 
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The excuse was that women were exempt because they couldn't be in any combat arms unit (front line not support), since that restriction has been lifted for ALL branches of military it is discriminatory to punish men for not registering but not women.

No body gets punished for not signing up for sports, coed or not.

I know it's discriminatory. That is separate from whether it is punishment or whether the idea of a draft at all is reasonable.

My question is on the assumption that discrimination is wrong. In some cases, even practical.

While you have pointed out some instances where women may compete on men's teams, why is it that men cannot compete on women's teams?
 

1prophet

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I know it's discriminatory. That is separate from whether it is punishment or whether the idea of a draft at all is reasonable.

My question is on the assumption that discrimination is wrong. In some cases, even practical.

While you have pointed out some instances where women may compete on men's teams, why is it that men cannot compete on women's teams?

Something tells me the transgenders are going to answer that question.
http://topyaps.com/transgender-mma-fighter-destroys-her-female-opponent-and-raises-a-raging-debate

http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/jump-this-olympics-to-let-men-compete-as-women/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alex-trujillo-trans-volleyball_us_55a9340fe4b0896514d12ecc
 
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bshole can stop getting his knickers in a twist over women and the selective service:

http://nyti.ms/2gf9IhQ
Conservative ascendancy: women-and-the-draft edition.
Mr. Trump may be nearly two months from the White House, but conservatives seem emboldened already: After a fierce policy debate, conservatives yanked a requirement that young women to register for the draft out of the annual defense policy bill.

The United States has not used the draft since 1973 during the Vietnam War. The Senate, under the leadership of Senator John McCain of Arizona, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, passed a bill this year that would have compelled women turning 18 on or after Jan. 1, 2018, to register for Selective Service, as men must do now, a move that reflected the expanding role of women in the armed services.

While most Republican senators — including Mr. McConnell and the women on the Armed Services Committee — agreed with the move, it was rejected in the House version of the bill, after attack from some of Congress’s most conservative members. The members of the House committee “felt strongly” that provision not be in the final bill that Congress is expected to consider next month, Mr. McCain said Tuesday, so it was removed.
 
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