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HomerJS

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No I didn’t. You asked if those were equivalent as a way to justify one of them, I said two wrongs don’t make a right. I didn’t read that as you talk badly about white people but rather you were ok with people who did. I wouldn’t presume that you do unless I saw it myself. Yes my honest opinion though is that "talking bad about white people" is racist, it simply is. And the fact white people can be racist too doesn’t justify it.
That's funny I don't recall anyone advocating denigrating anyone solely on the basis of them being white. Go back and look at the '16 election. You boys cornered the market on black denigration
 

HomerJS

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Lots of Republicans do, but again that doesn’t justify doing it yourself. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It is never ok to judge people based on the color of their skin. Ever.
Except you consider the picture of the incoming Democratic class as white oppression. I consider it great because their makeup reflects the whole of America not some entitled monochromatic sub-class.
 

esquared

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Republicans would never base a decision on skin color. As long as all the seats of power filled are white.
I just wrote something to another person that reflected racism here in the US.
I'll post that here.

"Whites simply cannot be victims of racism in this country. Promoting racism and racist behavior requires power, which the whites have always had. Then and now.
For you to claim whites are victims of racism, would say that the minorities and people of color, have power over the whites and that simply is not the case.

Whites can never be victims of racism in the US. "
 
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UglyCasanova

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Except you consider the picture of the incoming Democratic class as white oppression. I consider it great because their makeup reflects the whole of America not some entitled monochromatic sub-class.


No i don’t? I mean that’s a complete lie, show me where I’ve said that or anything of the sort. Otherwise you’ve just shown how dishonest you are to everyone.
 

HomerJS

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No i don’t? I mean that’s a complete lie, show me where I’ve said that or anything of the sort. Otherwise you’ve just shown how dishonest you are to everyone.
I've said time and time again seats of power need to be held by Americans other then white males. You attempt to paint that as anti-white and/or focusing on skin color. Keep the power structure as all white ignoring the need for diversity is a form of white supremacy.
 

fskimospy

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So the answer is to cancel the event and not let the women who want to attend to do some good have their chance? It seems like such a misguided reason and frankly racist as well. I get what they’re saying but at the end of the day they are making these decisions based on skin color. There is no place for that in our society. Skin color should never factor into anything. As a result the women who want to participate no longer get their voice. Lovely.

This argument never gets any less ridiculous.

U: ‘Skin color shouldn’t factor into anything in our society.’

Everyone else: ‘but it does and that’s just reality.’

U: ‘well you should pretend it doesn’t. Any steps taken to acknowledge or mitigate racism makes you the real racist’
 

HomerJS

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This argument never gets any less ridiculous.

U: ‘Skin color shouldn’t factor into anything in our society.’

Everyone else: ‘but it does and that’s just reality.’

U: ‘well you should pretend it doesn’t. Any steps taken to acknowledge or mitigate racism makes you the real racist’
Pretty much spot on reflects UC's position
 

fskimospy

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Pretty much spot on reflects UC's position

Yeah I don’t think I was mischaracterizing his position at all. He genuinely thinks that people should not alter their behavior based on the fact that we all know and accept racism exists. We should do nothing to mitigate it and we should do nothing to acknowledge it in our actions.

After all the real racism in society isn’t black people not getting hired for jobs they are qualified for, it’s not black people going to jail for longer sentences for the same crime, it’s people saying we should do something about it.
 

UglyCasanova

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This argument never gets any less ridiculous.

U: ‘Skin color shouldn’t factor into anything in our society.’

Everyone else: ‘but it does and that’s just reality.’

U: ‘well you should pretend it doesn’t. Any steps taken to acknowledge or mitigate racism makes you the real racist’

That makes it ok to boil them down to their skin color? Talk bad about them because of their skin color? Do things that negatively effect them because of their skin color?

This is one of the stances posted on here earlier trying to justify something wrong because other people do more wrong stuff

Yeah, because "talking badly about white people" is equivalent to what the whites have done and are continuing to do against all people of color.


Yes I think and always will hold the position that no one should be judged by he color of their skin. It’s become far too common place and things like this have basically become acceptable, that’s not ok:

 
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fskimospy

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Thanks for confirming what I said.

People are being judged by the color of their skin every day and the people who are the overwhelming victims of that are black and Hispanic people. I’m sure it’s very convenient for you to ignore it because it doesn’t affect you. The idea that the rest of us should pretend it doesn’t exist because to do anything about it is racist is again, ridiculous nonsense.

As for what that lady said I have no interest in relitigating it. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen you post a montage of horrible things said about black and Hispanic people on Twitter despite that being far, far more prevalent. Do you have an explanation?
 

HomerJS

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That makes it ok to boil them down to their skin color? Talk bad about them because of their skin color? Do things that negatively effect them because of their skin color?

This is one of the stances posted on here earlier trying to justify something wrong because other people do more wrong stuff




Yes I think and always will hold the position that no one should be judged by he color of their skin. It’s become far too common place and things like this have basically become acceptable, that’s not ok:

Eh, why not do it your way. Let's just keep the seats of power in the United Stated all white males.

Sounds fair to me /s

Because that's what you really prefer. Something about the sight of brown skin is threatening to you.
 

UglyCasanova

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My way is for the seat of power to be whomever is voted into office. I don’t care what color/sex they are.
 
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That’s a completely false statement. You may disagree with my position but that doesn’t mean I’m discussing it with you to merely troll you for responses. Im offering up my opinions on political topics because that is what this board is for is it not. I’d think we can engage in the actual discussions without trying to lie and say I’m trolling you.

Bullshit
 

fskimospy

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My way is for the seat of power to be whomever is voted into office. I don’t care what color/sex they are.

The seats of power in the United States comprise far more than just elected officials. It is not a coincidence that white men occupy a vastly disproportionate share of these seats.

Oh wait though I forgot we have to pretend that it’s all due to merit and racism doesn’t exist. I bet that’s why Donald Trump is president and the Central Park Five he smeared spent years in jail for a crime they didn’t commit.
 

UglyCasanova

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And you can maintain your happiness with the Republicans being the all white Party. Congrats.


Again, more lies/false statements on your part. I’d love for the Rep party to be more diverse and I’m sure they’d love that as well.
 

fskimospy

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Again, more lies/false statements on your part. I’d love for the Rep party to be more diverse and I’m sure they’d love that as well.

They would love the party to be more diverse so long as it involves not changing any of their positions to become more attractive to nonwhites. They can change their positions at any time, they choose not to. That’s why Republicans have become the white person party and Democrats have become the ‘looks like America’ party.
 

UglyCasanova

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What policy positions make the GOP attractive to whites but not non whites? Or is it more stigma than anything?
 

Jaskalas

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"Whites simply cannot be victims of racism in this country. Promoting racism and racist behavior requires power, which the whites have always had. Then and now.
For you to claim whites are victims of racism, would say that the minorities and people of color, have power over the whites and that simply is not the case.

Whites can never be victims of racism in the US. "

This notion that it is a one way street? That is a flat out lie.

The totality of a population in an entire society says little of the regional, local, or interpersonal and individual interactions between two people.

Just because whites are a majority in the nation, does not mean a white person going into Birmingham, ordering a meal and being told to !@#$ off isn't possible. It most certainly is, likely does happen, and would absolutely be racism.

If one is consumed with balancing the scales, they would need to commit a great many acts of evil upon their fellow human beings. In no way in hell does that give you permission to dismiss each of those many steps along the way as "getting even" or "not enough". Such crimes should be universally forbidden against ALL people, of all races and colors. That is how equality is borne. Of equal treatment.

@esquared
Don't you go down that road of telling us "but they deserved it" for being X. Enough hatred has risen on the issue of race. Do not dismiss or divert from it when it occurs. Confront it, all of it. Do not give rise to any lest you find yourself contributing towards it.
 
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HomerJS

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Again, more lies/false statements on your part. I’d love for the Rep party to be more diverse and I’m sure they’d love that as well.
Ooops you got me. Its not 100% white. If Republicans really wanted diversity what happened to Steve King today would have been the norm not the first time in history. Republicans have long made a comfortable home for racists to flourish in their party at the same time claiming they want diversity. Trump is the epitome of that. Why would people like me join a party that time and time again shows open hostility towards people like me.

Senate : 2% Black, 4% Hispanic 0% Asian
House: 1% Black, 3% Hispanic, 0% Asian, Native/Pacific islander 2%

I'll put myself in timeout
 

fskimospy

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What policy positions make the GOP attractive to whites but not non whites? Or is it more stigma than anything?

Their hostility to addressing the consequences of systemic racism comes to mind, haha. On top of that as Homer mentioned they systematically target minority voters to disenfranchise them, they are actively hostile to consent decrees to improve racially discriminatory policing, their tax policies overwhelmingly favor the rich who are disproportionately white, their current standard bearer is an unrepentant racist with a history of discriminating against black people, etc. etc.

The Republican Party works overtime to make itself unattractive to minorities because it has become a white nationalist party.

Sorry, I meant an I don’t know what race because I don’t see color nationalist party.
 

Jhhnn

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Just because whites are a majority in the nation, does not mean a white person going into Birmingham, ordering a meal and being told to !@#$ off isn't possible. It most certainly is, likely does happen, and would absolutely be racism.

I'll rate that as most likely bullshit of the distractional kind.
 

esquared

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This notion that it is a one way street? That is a flat out lie.

The totality of a population in an entire society says little of the regional, local, or interpersonal and individual interactions between two people.

Just because whites are a majority in the nation, does not mean a white person going into Birmingham, ordering a meal and being told to !@#$ off isn't possible. It most certainly is, likely does happen, and would absolutely be racism.

If one is consumed with balancing the scales, they would need to commit a great many acts of evil upon their fellow human beings. In no way in hell does that give you permission to dismiss each of those many steps along the way as "getting even" or "not enough". Such crimes should be universally forbidden against ALL people, of all races and colors. That is how equality is borne. Of equal treatment.

@esquared
Don't you go down that road of telling us "but they deserved it" for being X. Enough hatred has risen on the issue of race. Do not dismiss or divert from it when it occurs. Confront it, all of it. Do not give rise to any lest you find yourself contributing towards it.
I am going to say no to your example. Now could your restaurant example be discrimination? Yeah, sure. That very well may happen or has happened.
But that's not racism. Racism requires power of one group over another. Can minorities be prejudiced against whites? Sure, I am sure that happens more frequently that we
want to admit. Is that racism? I say no again because these groups are not in power to make whites suffer the indignities that they have suffered at the hands of whites in the past
and still continue to suffer to this day.

I am not trying to "balance any scales". I am just dismissing these other people that claim someone is being racist against whites. That just doesn't exist.

"Don't you go down that road of telling us "but they deserved it" for being X. Enough hatred has risen on the issue of race. Do not dismiss or divert from it when it occurs. Confront it, all of it. Do not give rise to any lest you find yourself contributing towards it. "
I am not talking/posting about anyone "deserving anything". When I see what I perceive is racist activity, I'll shine that light on it.
 
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