Women's march cancelled for being "too white."

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HomerJS

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realibrad

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You mistake your own lack of understanding for mine. You keep doing that.

Cite me an example of where those in power in the US decided that people of European origin, as a group, were not proper Americans.

Care to explain who they _did_ see as Americans, if not white people of European origin? Was the US once seen as a country rightly belonging to East Asians?

Specific ethnicities from Europe have been seen as suspect an not 'real Americans'...until they became 'White'. They were not suspect in their capacity as being 'from Europe', they were suspect for being 'Irish' or 'Italian' or whatever specific origin it was (though I gather the negativity towards the Irish has been overstated, they were never in the same category as black people). But, being Europeans they were able to become white.

Those of African heritage have never, to my knowledge, been considered 'White'.


Here is what you said that I took issue with.

"It doesn't have the same sensitivity for 'European-Americans', because they have never been portrayed as marginal and not real Americans."

https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754

In 1798, Congress passed three “Alien Acts” based mainly on fears of Irish-Catholic, anti-immigrant sentiment. These new laws gave the president the power to stop immigration from any country at war with the U.S. and the right to deport any immigrant, and made it harder for immigrants to vote. Then, again in the late 1840s, a nationalist political group called the Know-Nothingssprang from a populist movement of poor whites who were dissatisfied with the two-party system and started the American Party, intent on preserving America’s culture by restricting immigration, especially from Catholic countries—including by Irish Catholics. They managed to get candidates elected into the highest political offices in America, including a president.

So, not only did the Irish face issues because of their European origins, but, they were also not really considered White.

So...?
 

pmv

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Here is what you said that I took issue with.

"It doesn't have the same sensitivity for 'European-Americans', because they have never been portrayed as marginal and not real Americans."

https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754



So, not only did the Irish face issues because of their European origins, but, they were also not really considered White.

So...?

Yes, so...what exactly?

I do know all that - it's common knowledge. Various groups became 'white' over the course of US history. But it hasn't been an option for every such group.

(Though, as I said, there seems to have been some exaggeration of the discrimination Irish Americans faced, e.g. there's no evidence that 'no irish no dogs' signs actually existed in the US - they did in the UK, however.)

Again - show me where being of European origin was a sign of not being a real American. Not where being Irish was, but where being European (and I'm using European the way Americans tend to - to mean white) was. And tell me which other group was considered to constitute 'real' Americans, if not the white European ones.

In particular, show me evidence that a white American today has any reason to be sensitive about being mistaken for a 'European'. If you don't have such evidence, what was the point of your quibbling?
 

UNCjigga

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DNC is no longer sponsoring the Women's March. Less than half of the organizations sponsoring in 2017 and 2018 are still on board this year. Very sad--something the started as an organic grass-roots movement was co-opted by a "professional organization" and essentially is running aground. Same thing happened to the Tea Party, right?

I didn't realize that the original founder walked away from Women's March Inc. and that all the biggest rallies last year weren't even organized by WMI.
 

realibrad

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Yes, so...what exactly?

I do know all that - it's common knowledge. Various groups became 'white' over the course of US history. But it hasn't been an option for every such group.

(Though, as I said, there seems to have been some exaggeration of the discrimination Irish Americans faced, e.g. there's no evidence that 'no irish no dogs' signs actually existed in the US - they did in the UK, however.)

Again - show me where being of European origin was a sign of not being a real American. Not where being Irish was, but where being European (and I'm using European the way Americans tend to - to mean white) was. And tell me which other group was considered to constitute 'real' Americans, if not the white European ones.

In particular, show me evidence that a white American today has any reason to be sensitive about being mistaken for a 'European'. If you don't have such evidence, what was the point of your quibbling?

This is not limited to the Irish, which is why I said you do not know US history and thus should not take such a firm stance on this. US history is filled with prejudice. Irish, Polish, Italians. All European, all have been targets of hate and fear. All of those groups were seen as outsiders and not real Americans.
 

pmv

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This is not limited to the Irish, which is why I said you do not know US history and thus should not take such a firm stance on this. US history is filled with prejudice. Irish, Polish, Italians. All European, all have been targets of hate and fear. All of those groups were seen as outsiders and not real Americans.

But none of them had the level of disadvantage that black people did, or the visible difference that applies to 'people of color', and all of them were fairly quickly able to become 'white'.

And again you evade the point - you keep referrring to specific ethnic groups, but fail to show that its _Europeans_ as a group that have been seen as not really Americans.
 

realibrad

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But none of them had the level of disadvantage that black people did, or the visible difference that applies to 'people of color', and all of them were fairly quickly able to become 'white'.

And again you evade the point - you keep referrring to specific ethnic groups, but fail to show that its _Europeans_ as a group that have been seen as not really Americans.

Explain what you mean then. Are you trying to say all people from Africa?
 

Ichinisan

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I guess organizers analyzed and considered the content of these women's character and then decided to cancel the event. Right?
 

brandonbull

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DNC is no longer sponsoring the Women's March. Less than half of the organizations sponsoring in 2017 and 2018 are still on board this year. Very sad--something the started as an organic grass-roots movement was co-opted by a "professional organization" and essentially is running aground. Same thing happened to the Tea Party, right?

I didn't realize that the original founder walked away from Women's March Inc. and that all the biggest rallies last year weren't even organized by WMI.

The DNC had no problems with Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, and Linda Sasour having close ties to Women's March Inc. until the truth came out. I guess their brand of hate speech and xenophobia is ok.
 

UNCjigga

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The DNC had no problems with Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, and Linda Sasour having close ties to Women's March Inc. until the truth came out. I guess their brand of hate speech and xenophobia is ok.
What you just said doesn't make sense. DNC walked away as a sponsor after the whole Farrakhan mess came to light. Several chapters of Women's March and the other cofounder have asked Sarsour to resign. What does Sharpton have to do with any of this?
 

brandonbull

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What you just said doesn't make sense. DNC walked away as a sponsor after the whole Farrakhan mess came to light. Several chapters of Women's March and the other cofounder have asked Sarsour to resign. What does Sharpton have to do with any of this?

Kinda like how the Dems/DNC/Hillary never heard of the dossier when it was first brought up? They knew what's going on and used the political mileage until those bigots became liabilities.
 

Jhhnn

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Kinda like how the Dems/DNC/Hillary never heard of the dossier when it was first brought up? They knew what's going on and used the political mileage until those bigots became liabilities.

Can we get as little more duh-version over here?
 

UNCjigga

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Kinda like how the Dems/DNC/Hillary never heard of the dossier when it was first brought up? They knew what's going on and used the political mileage until those bigots became liabilities.

Ohhh...you're talking about Republicans and Steve King. Got it.
 

HomerJS

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The DNC had no problems with Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, and Linda Sasour having close ties to Women's March Inc. until the truth came out. I guess their brand of hate speech and xenophobia is ok.
While you are at it want to being up that dead guy that's a GOP go to in these discussions, Robert Byrd?

That's like saying Republicans are the party of Lincoln. Times change. Update your CV
 
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Thebobo

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So when is the OP going to change the title? First of all its wrong, It was never cancelled. Secondly because the march is going on right now.

Live
 
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BurnItDwn

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It's interesting how a so called "cancelled" women's march in crappy weather manages to draw a bigger looking crowd than anything trump has ever managed to bring together.
 
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Jhhnn

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Looks like duck, quacks like duck, but, is not duck?

He's going on about the one cancelled event in Humboldt, CA, where white women were racist towards themselves, or something. It was the alt-right concern troll du jour.

All of the other people who turned out all over the country & the world don't matter because he's been fixated on that.
 
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Greenman

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It seems like a lot of white women in the march would be a good thing. Showing solidarity with their minority sisters and all that.
 
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DNC is no longer sponsoring the Women's March. Less than half of the organizations sponsoring in 2017 and 2018 are still on board this year. Very sad--something the started as an organic grass-roots movement was co-opted by a "professional organization" and essentially is running aground. Same thing happened to the Tea Party, right?

I didn't realize that the original founder walked away from Women's March Inc. and that all the biggest rallies last year weren't even organized by WMI.

No, the Tea Party was a sham "organic grass roots movment" pushed by professional organizations from the outset. But because they were conservatives they were quickly noticed for being kinda full of shit. I think within months it was fully shown that the Tea Party was organized by Koch backed groups. They kept trying to pretend to be that but finally gave up and just went all in via political money (which is odd since the Koch Bros sure seem to not like political money - although I have a hunch they're just more irritated that they have to spend so much of it to keep forcing their ideology and corruption on people, they'd much rather if the politicians would just do it for them no money necessary).
 

UglyCasanova

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The "party" itself may have been backed by big money but the individuals across the country were motivated by a very real concern about government spending.
 
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