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zinfamous

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It's better than MoS no doubt as well.

Making Superman an imitation of Batman didn't make him more interesting it just made him an Elseworld version of Superman....


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MoS was awesome.

Saw WW last week...it was very competent and pushed all the necessary buttons, but I found it rather flat and unremarkable. There were tons of forced beats that didn't make much plot sense beyond "we need to put this character in this place because a scene needs to happen." I didn't get much motivation from these characters beyond "My archetypal role is to respond to this situation, thusly." While WW was indeed the best thing about BvS, and Affleck was surprisingly good as Bruce Wayne/Batman, this didn't really translate to a great first movie for WW.

Yes, it was entertaining, but MoS remains the best DC flick to date, without question.
 

blankslate

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MoS was awesome.

Saw WW last week...it was very competent and pushed all the necessary buttons, but I found it rather flat and unremarkable. There were tons of forced beats that didn't make much plot sense beyond "we need to put this character in this place because a scene needs to happen." I didn't get much motivation from these characters beyond "My archetypal role is to respond to this situation, thusly." While WW was indeed the best thing about BvS, and Affleck was surprisingly good as Bruce Wayne/Batman, this didn't really translate to a great first movie for WW.

Yes, it was entertaining, but MoS remains the best DC flick to date, without question.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Wonder Woman affected me as Man of Steel didn't... he was retconned to chase the Batman audience who wanted to see a conflicted hero when that is the subject of elseworld comics while Superman is the boyscout... unless he's directed by Zack Snyder.

The person who does the quite funny channel How it Should have Ended channel on youtube (which skewers superhero and scifi movies brilliantly) stated it succinctly in his review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yVBXqWZJgs&t=7m33s
This movie works so well because they got the character of Wonder Woman so right. She's the perfect amount of good and passion and power that we've always wanted to see. So even with a cheesy line here and there Wonder Woman completely sells the rest of the movie

Superman in Man of Steel doesn't do that... instead of giving us a Superman done just right we basically get a "What if Superman was raised by a kind of douchy version of Jonathan "Pa" Kent?"
Clark "What was I supposed to do let them die?"
Pa Kent "...Maybe.."

Sure the fight scenes between Superman and near his power level (but better trained) antagonists was entertaining
However, without nailing down the portrayal of the Superman character as well as Patty Jenkins and Gal Godot did in WW, Zack Snyder reduces MoS to spectacle without quite enough convincing character substance whereas Wonder Woman does have flaws (especially in the 3rd act conventional comic fight) but the character portrayal overcomes the flaws and makes the WW movie very good.

Wonder Woman is very much arguably better than Man of Steel because it affected audiences enough to have them give the movie legs in terms of repeat views. Man of steel by comparison is an interesting Elsworlds version of Superman...
There have even been reports in comic movie news media about speculation that the Man of Steel sequel might follow some story threads from an Elseworlds Superman Story called Red Son (what if Kal El landed in Russia)

Wonder Woman doesn't open lower than all the other 3 DCEU movies then keeps on earning a surprising amount of money week to week (to the point where it just might catch the extremely hyped BvS) unless it is a very good comic book movie whose great moments are enough to overcome the flaws it has. Thus generating positive word of mouth and repeat viewings that the other DCEU movies couldn't generate for themselves.


Just a funny Honest Trailer for Man of Steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sge5sUNJkiY
From Zack Snyder... comes the most hopeful superhero in his inevitable dark moody Christopher Nolan update because god forbid a Superman movie be any damn fun for anybody
In order to defeat Zod, Superman must decide which of his Robin Hood dads to listen to. Space Dad says "Show off your powers to inspire humanity." Farm Dad says "Hide your powers and let innocent people die." Watch Superman honor them both as he shows off his powers and lets innocent people die...
So if you loved the Christopher Reeve era Superman movies, but wished they made them less hopeful, killed countless civilians, visualized our worst fears of urban terrorism, and had Superman overcome his first villain by murdering him with his bare hands.... DC has made the reboot for you psycho...




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*edited for spelling and grammar... probably didn't catch them all though.
 
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Aikouka

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Superman in Man of Steel doesn't do that... instead of giving us a Superman done just right we basically get a "What if Superman was raised by a kind of douchy version of Jonathan "Pa" Kent?"
Clark "What was I supposed to do let them die?"
Pa Kent "...Maybe.."

I didn't mind that part of the movie at all. One of the biggest complaints that I hear people make about Superman is that he's just a boy scout. That isn't inherently a bad thing, but people can't really relate to it. You may say, "Well, how do you get people to relate to someone who is, for all practical purposes, an omnipotent being?" That's exactly the point of the scene. Rather than focus on his strength or abilities, you focus on the difficult decisions that he has to make as a result of his ability. Does Jonathan push Clark to save people while putting himself at risk for exposure, which could have catastrophic results for the whole family?

The scene at the end with Zod was another example of this, but I think people didn't like that one as much, because rather than being more of a mental exercise... it was sort of breaking the core tenets of Superman.

Sure the fight scenes between Superman and near his power level (but better trained) antagonists was entertaining

Amusingly enough, I thought the fights were the worst part of Man of Steel. The one in Smallville was fine, but the last one was just so overdrawn and... bleh.

However, without nailing down the portrayal of the Superman character as well as Patty Jenkins and Gal Godot did in WW, Zack Snyder reduces MoS to spectacle without quite enough convincing character substance whereas Wonder Woman does have flaws (especially in the 3rd act conventional comic fight) but the character portrayal overcomes the flaws and makes the WW movie very good.

Eh, I still think they could've done a better job with Diana in the movie. How she behaved during that final fight was just... ugh... it's my biggest gripe about the movie. It's kind of amusing, because these comic book movies always think they need some grandiose ending conflict, yet in a lot of cases, those get lambasted the most. For example, in Captain America The Winter Soldier, I usually hear universal praise for the movie... except for the last fight, which was the ridiculously grandiose hellicarrier-thing scene.
 

Ackmed

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I thought it was a fantastic movie. I don't know a whole lot about the comics though, so maybe that helped. Overall was very entertaining, and we both enjoyed it. There seems to be a sequel coming, I just don't want it lumped in with other super hero's. Wife said she got paid 300k for it? Hope she gets many times more than that for the second.
 

zinfamous

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I thought it was a fantastic movie. I don't know a whole lot about the comics though, so maybe that helped. Overall was very entertaining, and we both enjoyed it. There seems to be a sequel coming, I just don't want it lumped in with other super hero's. Wife said she got paid 300k for it? Hope she gets many times more than that for the second.

Gal Gadot is already going to be making a shit-ton in residuals for this one. The salary is kinda meaningless.
 

lupi

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My 4k steelbook just arrived. Doesn't say on the case whether the digital is br or 4k.
 

Fir

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I thought it was a fantastic movie. I don't know a whole lot about the comics though, so maybe that helped. Overall was very entertaining, and we both enjoyed it. There seems to be a sequel coming, I just don't want it lumped in with other super hero's. Wife said she got paid 300k for it? Hope she gets many times more than that for the second.

300k bitcoins isn't bad.
 

Starbuck1975

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Finally saw Wonder Woman. After all the hype, I found it adequate but cliche and unremarkable. It is the best of the Snyderverse DC movies, but that is not saying much.

As a child of the 80s, Linda Hamilton, Carrie Fisher, Karen Allen and Sigourney Weaver are the gold standard of female heroines. Gal Gadot doesn't hold a candle to any of them. She looked more like a runway model striking poses than a badass amazonian warrior.

The CGI was horrible, the ending made absolutely no sense, the villains were unimaginative and the WW1 trench battle was a missed opportunity to actually do something interesting with the character.

6/10
 

sactoking

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I thought it was rather 'meh.' I felt like it had two things going against it:

1. DC heroes just aren't very relatable. Superman is an invincible alien who seems to get new powers every week. Wonder woman is a god. Green lantern can do pretty much anything he can think of. Etc.
2. I feel like I just watched that movie when the original Captain America came out. "Super person and motley sidekicks single-handedly win worldwide war against other super person and nefarious scientist henchman. The world-ending bomb threat is defused when a protagonist heroically sacrifices himself to take out the airplane and its deadly payload."
 

AznAnarchy99

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I thought it was rather 'meh.' I felt like it had two things going against it:

1. DC heroes just aren't very relatable. Superman is an invincible alien who seems to get new powers every week. Wonder woman is a god. Green lantern can do pretty much anything he can think of. Etc.
2. I feel like I just watched that movie when the original Captain America came out. "Super person and motley sidekicks single-handedly win worldwide war against other super person and nefarious scientist henchman. The world-ending bomb threat is defused when a protagonist heroically sacrifices himself to take out the airplane and its deadly payload."

I mean, how relatable are most superheroes besides maybe Spider-Man? LoL.
 

ringtail

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Bridget Regan, beautiful American with excellent actressing chops and a genuine figure, plus high intelligence, poise, and TRUE BEAUTY, ought to have been cast in the movie lead
but popsicle-stick Gal Gadot got in there for simple sake of her Jewishness. The Hollyweird producers channelled the mony and fame to their home cause - Israel.

Based on ACTRESSING, Bridget Regan ought to have been cast as the lady who will influence future generations of little girls.

There is no place for your crude anti-semitism on these forums.

Perknose
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brianmanahan

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Bridget Regan, beautiful American with excellent actressing chops and a genuine figure, plus high intelligence, poise, and TRUE BEAUTY, ought to have been cast in the movie lead
but popsicle-stick Gal Gadot got in there for simple sake of her Jewishness. The Hollyweird producers channelled the mony and fame to their home cause - Israel.

Based on ACTRESSING, Bridget Regan ought to have been cast as the lady who will influence future generations of little girls.

holy crap, a borderline anti-semitic necro by a troll insulting one of the hottest women in existence

 
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zinfamous

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Bridget Regan, beautiful American with excellent actressing chops and a genuine figure, plus high intelligence, poise, and TRUE BEAUTY, ought to have been cast in the movie lead
but popsicle-stick Gal Gadot got in there for simple sake of her Jewishness. The Hollyweird producers channelled the mony and fame to their home cause - Israel.

Based on ACTRESSING, Bridget Regan ought to have been cast as the lady who will influence future generations of little girls.

There is no place for your crude anti-semitism on these forums.

Perknose
Forum Director

BATH SALTS.

hey, at least he locked his doors.
 
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I thought it was a great movie. At least they did not all disintegrate at the end or during the credits!! Besides being unbelievably gorgeous, I thought Gal Godot was the perfect Wonder Woman. Chris Pine is also a favorite of mine, and was also great in the movie, along with having great chemistry with Gadot.
 
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ringtail

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Perknose,

In charging me "anti semite" you go w i l d l y wrong, and I know that YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT. You're just reaching to make a splash.
Also, nothing I posted was "crude" as you said it was, so you're also wrong in calling names that I was "crude." What you posted is simply not true. Don't give reason for spectators here to call you "FOOL."

Again...it's because you seem to react from your gut. A MODERATOR has to be above that.

I've worked a lot in Israel, possibly even a few years longer than you have, and I personally have placed huge contracts from USA tocompanied located in Israel like IAI and Motorola and Elbit , stay tuned plenty more really big one$ to come. Here I prove, yet again, that your eruptive gut reactions are just dead W R O N G. You are wrong in mis-labeling me anti-Semite, just as you also are often (more than 50%?) wrong in your many other "judgements" you've posted around AT, which, by the way, you seem to relish doing. You flail around these forums hurting people, usually because YOU ARE WRONGHEADED. Man, if you're gonna be a "power wielder" then you've GOT to relax and be WA Y more tolerant, because, you are NOT anyone competent to judge, in other polite words, no offense, you are NOT the smartest guy in these forums.

You are dead wrong. No, as proved in the above para, I am NOT anti-semite.

Yet again, as previously, I forgive you sympathetically because you plainly, obviously suffer mental weakness from snorting PERC (very powerful cleaning solvent Perchloroethelyne) up your nose. Usually I don't truck druggies but apparently at Anandtech you somehow achieved ascendency and wield a fairy-wand of "p o w e r." How could a PERC snorter get validated by Anandtech? Too wrong, too off base, too weird, utterly wrong. Do you curl up fetal in your bed lost in PERC-fumed illusions then post random accusations here, often wrong?

The POINT is, I PERSONALLY have put several hundred millions of $ of workload into ISRAEL, over a long time window, and I AM F A R from anti-semite, which means the "judgement" you posted labeling me anti-semite is stupidly wrongheaded, and just plain unfounded, and wrong.

It's true that I don't think the silly, virtually unproven fashion model chic in a padded-out suit in that movie did as good a job as the thoroughly--proven and vastly more beautiful actress, with a real figure, Bridget Regan, could have done. It's true that I believe the Israeli chic got her role because of Jewish affiliation. The reason for thinking so is that my daughter is a nearly-top-level movie producer close to it (works w/ Julia Roberts, Bradley Cooper, lots more at that echelon) told me so. In Hollyweird it's a known fact. Maybe not known where you may be. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with anti-Semitiism...based on frankly unfair bias by Jewish producers trying to throw $ to Israel...to me that's a true FACT. Absolutely nothing anti-Semite about it.

Also, you may not believe it but I was here on this forum way earlier than you, beforte it even had a GUI, then I left to go work in Europe a few years then came back with different user ID. So in a sense I feel I have more equity her than some PERC snorting druggie who wrongly says bad things about me or others.

It is suggested that you refrain from going off on your gut emotions, so we on here don't see you a fool.

As for the root cause of this exchange, that movie, I happen to personally think the (back in that younger time) exceptionally beautiful, accomplished Bridget Regan should have been chosen to play WW, because she would have been better by every objective measure (way prettier, way more actress experience, less movie-finance risk) but lost out because of Hollyweird-Jewish agenda stuff. That's simply TRUE.

Relax Perky. You're wheels aren't coming off. Knock off your habitual throwing of your WRONG accusations. As a PERC maybe you can find peace by hitting another snort of your PERC drug up y'er nose.

Perknose,

There is no place for your crude anti-semitism on these forums.

Perknose
Forum Director
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Bridget Regan, beautiful American with excellent actressing chops and a genuine figure, plus high intelligence, poise, and TRUE BEAUTY, ought to have been cast in the movie lead
but popsicle-stick Gal Gadot got in there for simple sake of her Jewishness. The Hollyweird producers channelled the mony and fame to their home cause - Israel.

Based on ACTRESSING, Bridget Regan ought to have been cast as the lady who will influence future generations of little girls.

There is no place for your crude anti-semitism on these forums.

Perknose
Forum Director
Bridget Regan, beautiful American with excellent actressing chops and a genuine figure, plus high intelligence, poise, and TRUE BEAUTY, ought to have been cast in the movie lead
but popsicle-stick Gal Gadot got in there for simple sake of her Jewishness. The Hollyweird producers channelled the mony and fame to their home cause - Israel.

Based on ACTRESSING, Bridget Regan ought to have been cast as the lady who will influence future generations of little girls.

There is no place for your crude anti-semitism on these forums.

Perknose
Forum Director




This is a missed mod callout but is completely in the same callout vein as the one this 2/21.


esquared
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DigDog

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Bad bad perknose brown
The baddest banhammer in town






... tbh crazy guy here only called out Gal on being picked on her ethnicity which, although speculative and unproven, isn't something completely unknown in Hollywood. He could well be right. And he wasnt terribly offensive either.

So maybe .. a small ban ? Fun-sized ban ?

Also ...

Gal +hotness
 

mikeymikec

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... tbh crazy guy here only called out Gal on being picked on her ethnicity which, although speculative and unproven, isn't something completely unknown in Hollywood. He could well be right. And he wasnt terribly offensive either.

So maybe .. a small ban ? Fun-sized ban ?

<blinks> he trolled the thread twice already with bizarre Jewish conspiracy theories (easily enough to get spanked by a mod), then proceeded to call out a mod (more spank time), while calling said mod a druggie, an attention seeker, that the moderation policies here are wrong, that his decision to intervene here was wrong, that he acted out of emotion rather than professionalism, and repeated his Jewish conspiracy theory once more despite being modded for it.

I don't really want to know what you think he would have to have done to be "terribly offensive". IMO his final post may as well have said, "Perk, I can't help myself in my need to post bizarre anti-semitic conspiracy theories, my ability to discern Internet shitposting from facts is slipping away, can you please just ban me?".

"He could well be right" - jesus, how gullible are you?

 
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DigDog

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Weeeell, if you put it like THAT, you make it sound bad ...
Remember though, he brough a lot of work to Israel, really a lot.
 
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