Wonder Woman

[Sephire]

 

[Aikouka]

There's six months till release, that's a lot of time for final editing and testing cycles.

I'm just going based on an article that I read where it said he wasn't going to try and divert away from the style. He's pretty much just doing the reshoots. Albeit, I don't know how official it was.

 

[K1052]

From what I read, it sounded like Whedon wasn't doing much more than filling in for Snyder after his daughter's suicide. In other words, he wasn't going to take the movie and make it into his own image, but rather try to work in Snyder's vision.

He was writing and shooting some new scenes already while Snyder was still at the helm. Whedon kind of has a long history of being brought in to conduct salvage operations. I'll submit that these films are not really in Synder's wheelhouse to begin with in tone or content.

 

[Denly]

so ww being able to go toe to toe w/the monster that killed superman didn't affect the expectations of this movie at all?
(her invulnerability vs ww1 era weaponry)

As some one who don't know shit about WW, this is a great intro on who she was, where her power come from and why she is take lead charging doomsday. Even Superman don't have all his ability until he learnt in MoS

 

[Zanovar]

That looks like one of the moves my rogue in Warcraft did in the day.

 

[jammix]

Gal Gadot just seems like just a down to earth sweet person, no one could have played a better role as Wonder Woman than her! All the great reviews is well deserved.

 

[zerocool84]

Just got back from seeing this and when people give movies like this such high review scores, it makes me wonder what movies they watch. I did enjoy it, Gal Gadot definitely kicked ass, but some things really bugged me. It was pretty cliché but that's not the end of the world.

Spoiler

A spy with an assistant. I understand they wanted a character for comic relief but that definitely bugged me.

Also they have this super strength drug that the guy took. He obviously wanted to win the war very badly, so you would figure he would give certain soldiers some of that super strength gas. Or at least focused a little more on that part since it well makes them faster and stronger. It would have obviously helped with the war.

 

[lupi]

Given how often he took it, supply and effectiveness probably answer that point.

 

[mikeymikec]

My wife wanted to go see this film, so there I went.

This film met my expectations, and they weren't high: Better than Batman vs. Superman, but by no means a film I'd bother to buy on DVD/BR.

It had some endearing bits. However, the lazy use of not particularly good quality CGI for fight scenes and bad editing (I think it was the scene in the town square where she's doing lots of lassooing alongside Chris Pine, she does some massive jump or something, then the "come out of CGI scene" is just her standing and having a conversation) wasn't what irritated me most about the film, it was the plot flaws.

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1 - A common movie trope: Villain helps hero for no reason whatosoever except to perpetuate the plot, as demonstrated here:

Ares helps the heroes get to where they need to go. Why? No reason. It makes no sense whatsoever, because his plan was to get the Armistice go wrong which causes the allies not to trust anything the Germans say any more and war goes on forever (even though the german generals admitted their guys were starving and it was time to chuck it in anyway) . Nothing about that plan is aided by aiding a god who is trying to thwart it. In fact, he should have done the opposite: Kill her as soon as can be.

2 - The setting was WW1. I suspect the script writers wanted to reference the idea that WW1 was "the war to end all wars", that humanity is perfectly capable of waging war without a big bogeyman such as Ares, hence WW2, however if Ares is now dead then why was the casualty count for WW2 so much higher than WW1? Was he even needed for WW1 to be as bad as it was? It seemed to me like the writers were trying to be clever and didn't think it through. I thought I was going to see something interesting and original when she killed the general and realised the war wasn't going to simply stop, but then we had to have the same old shit to end every comic book movie, the big tacky showdown full of CGI.

3 - Scenes where everything around the characters in shot seemed to stop for minutes at moments when seconds seemed crucial. Wonder Woman and the German general duking it out in the middle of a secret and heavily guarded German base, spot lights hitting her several times, yet no-one comes to check out what's going on there? Then long conversations with Ares or Chris Pine's character (I can't remember who his character's name was supposed to be), again in the middle of said base. The poisoning doctor must have loitered around that air field for quite some time before her confrontation with Wonder Woman and Ares.

4 - Clichés - "I believe in love", "these humans are so much more", blah, blah, blah blah. Yeesh.

5 - Leading on from point 1 - more cliché - Villain tells hero that she needs to believe in herself and that she's really a god and that she's the weapon to kill him. He's been so careful to not blow his cover up to that final confrontation and then just at the moment that she needs to know that she can defeat a god, his sense of self-preservation seems to go right out of the window.

 

[drbrock]

Movie was decent. Best DC non animated movie so far.

1. WW
2. MOS
3. doesn't matter


I think the hype of this movie was unreal. I think it should be in the 50-60% range not in the 90s. Gal Gadot is a great WW. I was very skeptical at first but she killed. Given that the script and basic plot was terrible it goes to show that she really owned it.

 

[edcoolio]

Movie was decent. Best DC non animated movie so far.

1. WW
2. MOS
3. doesn't matter


I think the hype of this movie was unreal. I think it should be in the 50-60% range not in the 90s. Gal Gadot is a great WW. I was very skeptical at first but she killed. Given that the script and basic plot was terrible it goes to show that she really owned it.

I thought it was a really great and exciting DC movie. Easily the best.

I also agree that the hype was through the roof. "Look!! DC doesn't totally suck!!! It's a woman actor with a woman director!!!!" The hype almost made me skip the movie. Almost.

After watching it, I am a bit more of a fan and believe it should be in the 70% range.

Gal Gadot MADE the movie. Too bad it got banned in Lebanon and other places... they could use a good dose of feminism in that part of the world.

 

[blankslate]

2nd weekend drop off is about 45% meaning it is estimated to make 55% of what it made on opening weekend.

Wonder Woman thanks to good word of mouth has the best second weekend of all the DCEU movies while having among the smallest or the smallest production budget (not counting advertising costs)

http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-second-weekend-box-office-dceu-record/

BvS earned $52M in its second weekend, but experienced a 68% drop; Suicide Squad earned $43M and dropped 67%; and Man of Steel earned $41M and dropped 65%. If Wonder Woman had experienced a similar 60% drop this weekend, it would have only pulled in about $40M. But, with people eager to see this film on repeat viewings and it being one of the best films in theaters at the moment, Wonder Woman should continue make its presence felt in the weeks to come.

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[lupi]

2nd best followup weekend for comic book movie.

Read a story about the photo, it was taken during construction of the sets shortly before release of BvS, so they had to "dress up" the completed sets once they got around to filming the scene for WW to maintain consistency.

 

[tommo123]

2nd best followup weekend for comic book movie.

Read a story about the photo, it was taken during construction of the sets shortly before release of BvS, so they had to "dress up" the completed sets once they got around to filming the scene for WW to maintain consistency.

sorry, what photo?

 

[lupi]

sorry, what photo?

um, not sure how to answer that....

 

[zinfamous]

2nd weekend drop off is about 45% meaning it is estimated to make 55% of what it made on opening weekend.

Wonder Woman thanks to good word of mouth has the best second weekend of all the DCEU movies while having among the smallest or the smallest production budget (not counting advertising costs)

http://screenrant.com/wonder-woman-second-weekend-box-office-dceu-record/




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It was number 1 again, which meant that Tommy Boy's Mummy premiered at #2, pulling in only $35 million, I think. The Mummy "supposedly" (supposedly, because Hollywood ) cost more than $100 million to produce.

Ouch.

 

[JEDI]

The beginning confused me.
When the queen was telling the story of ares to little Diana, she said your mother the queen lead a revolt that freed the Amazons and mankind.

So was the queen telling that story or was the general, the Queen's sister?

 

[Jaepheth]

Question:

Spoiler

Was Wonder Woman a goddess in the comics?
I always thought she was just "Queen of the Amazons"

 

[BudAshes]

Can anyone else not read "Wonder Woman" without singing it in your head to the 70's TV show jingle?

 

[lupi]

Question:

Spoiler

Was Wonder Woman a goddess in the comics?
I always thought she was just "Queen of the Amazons"

Had the same question when I saw, never got an answer but even ignoring the written side of the character make for an interesting set up for the film version.

 

[mikeymikec]

Question:

Spoiler

Was Wonder Woman a goddess in the comics?

IMO that potentially snookers any films based on this. It's not quite as bad as 'Star Trek: Into Darkness' where they ended up with a device that renders starships as obsolete and a substance that can resurrect people, but having two characters who are almost invincible is a bit like the quandary of what to do with Neo in the other two Matrix movies. If the script-writers find a way to sideline those blatantly over-powered characters, then what was the point in having them in the first place (like Professor X in the first trilogy).

My other problem with making live action films out of blatantly overpowered superheroes is the subsequent need to gratutitously use CGI in action scenes in order to illustrate any kind of action scene based on their amount of power. Give the job of bringing these characters to life back to artists and do something ground-breaking. CGI is frankly boring, it's like going to an art gallery and all there is to see are hyper-realistic drawings that take skill but little imagination, and before long the job of creating the CGI will probably be entirely automated.

 

[tommo123]

Had the same question when I saw, never got an answer but even ignoring the written side of the character make for an interesting set up for the film version.

Spoiler: re: amazons

her mother is queen of the 'zons. the amazons were made out of clay and had souls stored in the well of souls from oppressed women throughout the ages or something. the clay was at the bottom of the agean sea (again, or something) and they were made as adults. hippolyta was the 1st to get to the surface and she became queen. originally she co-ruled with her sister iirc but she left along with other 'zons after hercules invaded and raped the queen. the gauntlets are a reminder of their time of captivity. 5000 on and some 'zons went crazy not having a kid. some made dolls/whittle babies and thought they were real. 1 amazon killed 1 or a couple of these amazons. hippolyta also affected made a baby out of clay, prayed and then SHAZAM. it came to life. obviously this was Diana. the amazon who killed the crazy amazon saw Diana as a monster. a dragon and tried to kill her but was stopped and has been in prison ever since, but still loyal to her queen.

ok that was longer than i though. anyway, a few years back DC rebooted (again) and now (new 52) Diana is a demi-goddess as the daughter of hippolyta and Zeus.

in the comics she as once a full blown goddess for a while but gave it up cos (iirc) she couldn't do as much good. that and boredom. in the gail simone (pre new 52) wonder woman she develops lightning powers due to her having gauntlets made from Zeus' ageis when she fights a hawaiian goddess after Zeus kills her father and tears his heart out to make a new male Amazon king or some such.

if that's a mess, sorry, I've been up 5 mins and haven't had my coffee yet.

 

[SKORPI0]

2nd best followup weekend for comic book movie.

Read a story about the photo, it was taken during construction of the sets shortly before release of BvS, so they had to "dress up" the completed sets once they got around to filming the scene for WW to maintain consistency.

sorry, what photo?

This photo, shot before Batman V Superman was released in the theaters, and before WW began filming.

Wonder Woman’s Vintage Photo Was Tough to Pull Off

“It meant that when we eventually got around to shooting the scene that the [photograph] is from, we had to really painstakingly recreate it,” Bremner continued. “Because we [took the photo] against a half-built set, in a way sets were still being built at that point. So by the time we came around to filming that scene, probably around five months later, the sets were much more developed. So we had to find a way to recreate the exact same image after half a year had gone by.”

 

[lupi]

Spoiler: re: amazons

her mother is queen of the 'zons. the amazons were made out of clay and had souls stored in the well of souls from oppressed women throughout the ages or something. the clay was at the bottom of the agean sea (again, or something) and they were made as adults. hippolyta was the 1st to get to the surface and she became queen. originally she co-ruled with her sister iirc but she left along with other 'zons after hercules invaded and raped the queen. the gauntlets are a reminder of their time of captivity. 5000 on and some 'zons went crazy not having a kid. some made dolls/whittle babies and thought they were real. 1 amazon killed 1 or a couple of these amazons. hippolyta also affected made a baby out of clay, prayed and then SHAZAM. it came to life. obviously this was Diana. the amazon who killed the crazy amazon saw Diana as a monster. a dragon and tried to kill her but was stopped and has been in prison ever since, but still loyal to her queen.

ok that was longer than i though. anyway, a few years back DC rebooted (again) and now (new 52) Diana is a demi-goddess as the daughter of hippolyta and Zeus.

in the comics she as once a full blown goddess for a while but gave it up cos (iirc) she couldn't do as much good. that and boredom. in the gail simone (pre new 52) wonder woman she develops lightning powers due to her having gauntlets made from Zeus' ageis when she fights a hawaiian goddess after Zeus kills her father and tears his heart out to make a new male Amazon king or some such.

if that's a mess, sorry, I've been up 5 mins and haven't had my coffee yet.

Nah that was pretty good, and figured it would be messy with the number of recent DC reboots.

 

[tommo123]

This photo, shot before Batman V Superman was released in the theaters, and before WW began filming.

Wonder Woman’s Vintage Photo Was Tough to Pull Off

ah got it. sorry. i never thought to compare the pic actually.

Nah that was pretty good, and figured it would be messy with the number of recent DC reboots.

the thing with DC reboots is that (iirc) each reality is its own universe. so the kingdom come story (where wonder woman aged) is in earth 22, earth 1 is pre crisis. not sure on new 52 though. it's a way of saying all the stories happened. they're all canonical but respective to their own universe. marvel has a similar thing i think.