WOOT!! I've already got my cashola for nForce + DDR ;)

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Aquaman

Lifer
Dec 17, 1999
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Ugh.... I think they missed the GF3 deadline by 3 months or something like that. Usually they were bringing out cards in Feb/Mar (spring refresh of new cards, like GF2 Ultra/Pro)& Sept/Oct (new cards) ,I think.

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Oalex

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Jan 12, 2001
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<< << dude dont make posts like that. i thought it was out. now i have to go change underwear. >> >>



same here!

come on NSF4, there are other ways to get attention if you itch.
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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<<

<< << dude dont make posts like that. i thought it was out. now i have to go change underwear. >> >>



same here!

come on NSF4, there are other ways to get attention if you itch.
>>


Nowhere did I say that nForce was available. You are reading too much into the title. It's not like I said &quot;NFORCE IS AVAILABLE AND MY MONEY IS READY&quot; or &quot;I've already got my nForce + DDR.&quot; &quot;Already&quot; implies that I have come up with the funds ahead of schedule and &quot;cashola&quot; was used to point out that it was money I was talking about (I can't believe I'm arguing semantics here:Q). And it has been stated many times that nForce won't be availble til August.
 

DeeK

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Mar 25, 2000
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<< Nowhere did I say that nForce was available. You are reading too much into the title. It's not like I said &quot;NFORCE IS AVAILABLE AND MY MONEY IS READY&quot; or &quot;I've already got my nForce + DDR.&quot; &quot;Already&quot; implies that I have come up with the funds ahead of schedule and &quot;cashola&quot; was used to point out that it was money I was talking about (I can't believe I'm arguing semantics here:Q). And it has been stated many times that nForce won't be availble til August. >>



Yeah, but the fact is the sentence you used starts with &quot;I've already got my nForce&quot;. Most of us had heart attacks before we even finished reading the sentence.
 

Akaz1976

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Jun 5, 2000
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will there be nforce without integrated sound and video? there increased bandwidth for DDR RAM (did i get this right?) is more interesting for me than its integreated video and sound solution since i will stick to add in cards for those.

Akaz
 

SpideyCU

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Nov 17, 2000
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I agree with Insane3D and the others...watch it come out and have stability problems worse than VIA's chipsets. Not that I'm doubting nVidia, but I find it surprising how much faith people are putting into this. It had better deliver or people will be very sad.
 

Eug

Lifer
Mar 11, 2000
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I will reserve judgement until it's out. I'm glad you're the guinea pig, not me.
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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<< I agree with Insane3D and the others...watch it come out and have stability problems worse than VIA's chipsets. Not that I'm doubting nVidia, but I find it surprising how much faith people are putting into this. It had better deliver or people will be very sad. >>


I have faith because it IS NVIDIA And they are going to have to live up to the hype now cuz they started it

Anyway, I've never been let down by an NVIDIA card in performance, compatibility, or even driver-wise so I am very confident in them (Elsa Erazor II TNT, Gigabyte SDR GeForce, Asus V7700 64MB GeForce2 GTS).
 

salman327

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Isn't nforce the same technology used in the x-box (I remember reading that a couple times in another threat), well anyways if it is, I'm pretty sure stability is one of Microsofts major concern, and if Nvidia has transferred that over to it's nforce, then we should see a pretty stable mobo
 

thephew

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Jun 19, 2001
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Why does everyone keep saying that since Nvidia's making it, the nforce will be so stable and high performing? This is their first foray into the mobo market, so compare it to their first foray into the 3D video card market, not their 3rd and 4th generation cards. Their first 'sort of 3D' video card, the NV1, was utter crap. It used some funky quadratic texture mapping scheme(instead of just polygons) that was never supported by anyone, and had some half-a$$ed playback-only sound processor onboard. The NV2, their second attempt, was even worse. The only reason Nvidia didn't go under after the NV1 was because Sega funded their research into the NV2, which Sega actually dropped in favor of using a PowerVR chip on their console. So with their last dying breath, they made the RIVA 128, which actually sold. The 128 had the ugliest image quality of any 3D card I've ever seen (textures literally fell off their polygons), but it gave frame rates comparable to a Voodoo, and it was a full 2D/3D card, and not a daughter card. This allowed them to score OEM deals with Dell, Gateway, etc, which eventually led to their financial sucess. The TNT was nvidia's first 'good' 3D card, and this took them 4 iterations to get to. Even the TNT was much slower than it was hyped to be, and it wasn't until the TNT2 Ultra that the TNT line started performing like it was capable of. The moral of the story is that contrary to what most people seem to think, nvidia only got where their are today in the graphics market through trial and error. Expect the same of the nforce; it will be innovative, but don't expect it to set a new standard for stability or performance. Around the time nforce 4 is released, watch out, cus they will have all the kinks worked out by then. Just my pair o' pennies.
 

Raspewtin

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<< Isn't nforce the same technology used in the x-box (I remember reading that a couple times in another threat), well anyways if it is, I'm pretty sure stability is one of Microsofts major concern, and if Nvidia has transferred that over to it's nforce, then we should see a pretty stable mobo >>



i don't know about that. the stuff in the xbox is static, so all the conflicts and such will be worked out. chipset has to be able handle tons of different configurations and equipment and such. I will definitely get an nforce though. I think they will do a good job with it (unlike their first graphics chip)
 

Shippy

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Oct 15, 1999
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Hey I bought one of those NV1 cards! it was bundled with Virtua Fighter and sege genesis gameports! But that was about the only 3D game it played. Even the build in sould was crap. I almost forgot about that board.
 

_Silk_

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Why does everyone think the nForce will be a success?? Simple.

1) Previous Experience: This is their second mobo chipset, not their first. They have three chips in the XBox, and I'm sure they would never have got the contract if they couldn't prove to Microsoft that they could create a high performing, stable solution.

Half of the nForce essentially IS the same chipset as in the XBox. The Southbridge (MCP) is from the XBox.

Granted the North Bridge isn't the same as the one in the XBox. But I am sure there are plenty of similarities (such as using AMDs Hyper-Transport bus). And I'm sure they got plenty of help from AMD as to how to interface with the EV6 bus.

Each and every one of the video chipsets that nVidia made contain memory controllers. nVidia had created several DDR based memory controllers well before there were mobos that supported DDR - and considering how much the memory bandwidth constrained the performance of their video chips, I'm sure they know how to design very efficient memory controllers. And this dual-channel DDR interface on the nForce is just a derivative of the Cross-Bar bus on the GeForce III.

2) Technology: nVidia is designing everything but the kitchen sink into this chipset. From a technical analysis standpoint, nVidia has designed this chipset correctly. From Dual DDR, DASP, Hyper-Transport, to an extremely powerful audio controller (on the fly Dolby Digital encode!). On paper, this thing screams high-tech performance.

3) Software: I fully believe the biggest problem with VIAs chipsets, is their software. Most people will agree VIAs 4-in-1 drivers were (maybe still are) a nightmare. I have full confidence that nVidia's software team is top notch and can pull this off.


4) Engineering Resources: With the influx of ex-Aureal and 3dfx engineers, nVidia has the manpower and knowledge to succeed in this new market.

Now don't get the wrong idea - I don't think this chipset is the best thing since sliced bread. I'm only explaining why people have such high hopes and desires for this chipset. I am expecting, in most real-world apps a modest 5-10% boost over the AMD760 (assuming both are using the same video card.. i.e. not the IGP). Not enough to upgrade over... but if your purchasing a new mobo anyways.....
 

ElFenix

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NSF4 - didn't know you're an RC car guy... *looks at TRX-3 lovingly*

anyhow... it seems they missed the GF3 by 6 months, not just 3. the geforce2 came out in like march/april 2000. the gf3 came out in the same time frame, a year later.

just did some looking around... if the graphics part uses up a whole memory controller for itself (420) and the .6 multiplier for DDR is right, then it will have the same bandwidth at 133 MHz as an mx 200.
 

bigd480

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does anyone know &quot;real&quot; release prices for it? integrated HQ graphics add to price of production (see CUSL2 v CUSL2-C, and it wasn't even HQ) i bet the first board comes out right around $200 easy
 

NFS4

No Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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<< Why does everyone think the nForce will be a success?? Simple.

1) Previous Experience: This is their second mobo chipset, not their first. They have three chips in the XBox, and I'm sure they would never have got the contract if they couldn't prove to Microsoft that they could create a high performing, stable solution.

Half of the nForce essentially IS the same chipset as in the XBox. The Southbridge (MCP) is from the XBox.

Granted the North Bridge isn't the same as the one in the XBox. But I am sure there are plenty of similarities (such as using AMDs Hyper-Transport bus). And I'm sure they got plenty of help from AMD as to how to interface with the EV6 bus.

Each and every one of the video chipsets that nVidia made contain memory controllers. nVidia had created several DDR based memory controllers well before there were mobos that supported DDR - and considering how much the memory bandwidth constrained the performance of their video chips, I'm sure they know how to design very efficient memory controllers. And this dual-channel DDR interface on the nForce is just a derivative of the Cross-Bar bus on the GeForce III.

2) Technology: nVidia is designing everything but the kitchen sink into this chipset. From a technical analysis standpoint, nVidia has designed this chipset correctly. From Dual DDR, DASP, Hyper-Transport, to an extremely powerful audio controller (on the fly Dolby Digital encode!). On paper, this thing screams high-tech performance.

3) Software: I fully believe the biggest problem with VIAs chipsets, is their software. Most people will agree VIAs 4-in-1 drivers were (maybe still are) a nightmare. I have full confidence that nVidia's software team is top notch and can pull this off.


4) Engineering Resources: With the influx of ex-Aureal and 3dfx engineers, nVidia has the manpower and knowledge to succeed in this new market.

Now don't get the wrong idea - I don't think this chipset is the best thing since sliced bread. I'm only explaining why people have such high hopes and desires for this chipset. I am expecting, in most real-world apps a modest 5-10% boost over the AMD760 (assuming both are using the same video card.. i.e. not the IGP). Not enough to upgrade over... but if your purchasing a new mobo anyways.....
>>


I couldn't have said it better myself
 

Akaz1976

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Jun 5, 2000
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<< does anyone know &quot;real&quot; release prices for it? integrated HQ graphics add to price of production (see CUSL2 v CUSL2-C, and it wasn't even HQ) i bet the first board comes out right around $200 easy >>



Thats y i wuz wondering if there was going to be a nforce mobo without integrated sound and video. To me the important thing is how they have made things better for DDR RAM.

Akaz

 

HansXP

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Jun 1, 2001
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<< Thats y i wuz wondering if there was going to be a nforce mobo without integrated sound and video. To me the important thing is how they have made things better for DDR RAM. >>



They have already said the prices would be around $150, I believe.
 

raven82

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Mar 30, 2001
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i hope all your 18,000 posts are all telling people what you are going to buy next. but i'm usre your a nice guy.
 
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