Word of Warning About 7900GTO

[msi1337]

tested my gto out last night.. runs great! and the core temp stayed under 40'C at all times. I didnt try o/cing it yet, because coming from my 7600gt I already see a world of difference

 

[Pantalaimon]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
[here it shows the 7950 gt (clo0cked lower than the 7900gto) beating the x1900xt 256 most of the time. guess what a 7900gto will do //////!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Either I'm looking at the wrong review/benchmarks via that link or you are, but it looks to me like the 1900XT 256 won in most benchmarks, except for BF2 with no AA, and B&W no AA. In Oblivion with no AA the difference is less than one so I'd call that a tie. So, how does that translate into "beating the x1900xt 256 most of the time"?

 

[aiya24]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
hate to break it to you but the x1900xt 256 is NOT faster than a 7900gtx/gto. as much as i love ati the truth is the truth at 250 the 7900gto (at stock) is a better bargain then the x1900xt 256.

Please link a review that shows a 7900GTO beating the X1900XT 256 pretty handily.

The ONE review I've seen shows they are about on par with eachother...the margin being about 5fps for most games and wins going back and forth(this is at high res with AA and AF turned up).

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2833&p=4

here it shows the 7950 gt (clo0cked lower than the 7900gto) beating the x1900xt 256 most of the time. guess what a 7900gto will do //////!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i don't think Anandtech uses HQ mode in nvidia control panel since they didn't state it in the review.

http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/nvidia7950gt/index.php?p=1

theres a review with both 7950GT and X1900XT 256MB. HQ mode in nvidia control panel. note this is with the reference stock clock 7950GT. on top of every benchmark window, you can switch between no AA/AF to 4x AA/ 16x AF to compare. also just because this review is from Rage3D doesn't not mean that Ratchet is bias to ATi, he just wants to show users how performance is on a level playing field.

 

[Elfear]

Here is another review where they use HQ settings for both cards. N7 linked to it above also.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
[here it shows the 7950 gt (clo0cked lower than the 7900gto) beating the x1900xt 256 most of the time. guess what a 7900gto will do //////!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Either I'm looking at the wrong review/benchmarks via that link or you are, but it looks to me like the 1900XT 256 won in most benchmarks, except for BF2 with no AA, and B&W no AA. In Oblivion with no AA the difference is less than one so I'd call that a tie. So, how does that translate into "beating the x1900xt 256 most of the time"?

Easily with green shades on.

 

[eoniverse]

Hi Folks,

I went and got this card. It came today - like most - in a relabeled GTX box.

I called evga tech support and asked about some of what is being posted here.

I was told: It is definately using the same boards from the old GTX's that they had problems with. But that's it. They are building them using new memory, new cooling, etc. These ARE NOT returns/refurbs. They did not remove old defective memory. He made it clear that the main issue with the defective stock was the memory and the GTO uses different chips - so no problem.

They just the remaining boards (PCB's) that would have been used with the defective memory run and the old box stock that was meant for the additional defective GTX run.

Now whether the tech knows the whole story or is sharing the whole story is up for debate but I am satisfied with his answer.

Esp with the lifetime warranty. I remember hearing somewhere that if EVGA runs out of stock on a warranty replacement you get the next newer card... not that I'm suggesting I'll OC it to uber G80 speeds in a couple of years... I would never do that.

 

[Woofmeister]

Your factually-based contentions are unwelcome here. This thread is exclusively for rank speculation and conspiracy mongering.

 

[eoniverse]

:laugh: And here I though anandtech members were above all that. I am dismayed by this revelation.

Two freaking hours of hell gettin the card to fit.

1. Had to remove my uber northbridge cooler. No way that 2 slot monster was going on the MB with that NB HS tower. Finally reinstalled a new NB cooler
2. Then I had to remove the fast card locking 'thingy' that holds all the cards in place. I can't handle a two slot card. Now where did I put my bag of pci card screws?
3. Then had the 'joy' when I suddenly realised I needed 2 PSU molex's.

But it's in and working fine. Glad I got it. I swear I can tell a difference in color on my desktop.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2833&p=4

here it shows the 7950 gt (clo0cked lower than the 7900gto) beating the x1900xt 256 most of the time. guess what a 7900gto will do //////!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by: aiya24
i don't think Anandtech uses HQ mode in nvidia control panel since they didn't state it in the review.

http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/nvidia7950gt/index.php?p=1

theres a review with both 7950GT and X1900XT 256MB. HQ mode in nvidia control panel. note this is with the reference stock clock 7950GT. on top of every benchmark window, you can switch between no AA/AF to 4x AA/ 16x AF to compare. also just because this review is from Rage3D doesn't not mean that Ratchet is bias to ATi, he just wants to show users how performance is on a level playing field.

Thanks for the link to the Rage3D review. In this review the X1900XT 256 comes close to even the GTX when AA and AF are turned up.

 

[Woofmeister]

Originally posted by: eoniverse
:laugh: And here I though anandtech members were above all that. I am dismayed by this revelation.

Two freaking hours of hell gettin the card to fit.

1. Had to remove my uber northbridge cooler. No way that 2 slot monster was going on the MB with that NB HS tower. Finally reinstalled a new NB cooler
2. Then I had to remove the fast card locking 'thingy' that holds all the cards in place. I can't handle a two slot card. Now where did I put my bag of pci card screws?
3. Then had the 'joy' when I suddenly realised I needed 2 PSU molex's.

But it's in and working fine. Glad I got it. I swear I can tell a difference in color on my desktop.

Doh! I forgot, I have passive NB Tower Cooler too and that my 7800GT barely fit! Now I'm going to have to pull the whole mobo out just to swap in the replacement northbridge fan that it took ASUS two months to send me. Thank God I found the thing in my box of miscellaneous computer crap.

 

[imported_RedStar]

here is a review of the gto:


http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/evga_e-geforce_7900_gto/page16.asp


they say it is the best price/performance card out there ...

and say the rumour all started with one person removing a sticker

 

[suckerpunch]

Originally posted by: RedStar
they say it is the best price/performance card out there ...

They don't come right out and say it, but the X1900XT gives you, on average, more frames-per-second on the dollar. If that's your main concern, then don't get the GTO.

(Personally, performance for me means frames-per-second plus noise and heat. I was about to get a Sapphire X1900XT 256, but I was dreading having that loud fan in my case.)

 

[VooDooAddict]

I don't see a problem with the performance per $$ on this.

For @ $260 you get a card that should perform on par with the $299 7950GT and you have a better cooler then most 7950GT cards.

If you want NVIDIA and you wanr faster then a 7900GS. This looks like the best bang for the $$.

If you already have an SLI motherboard, it's also pretty compedative with the 7950GX2. Two 7900GTOs get you faster GPU clocks and 2 large coolers.

The only thing that might worry people is these sound like they run hotter compared with the current run of 7900GTX cards... complaining that they don't run as fast as a 7900GTX is funny.

Is the added performance, 512MB, and near silent cooler worth $60 over the cost of a 7900GS? That's the question people should ask themselves and judge the card with.


Edit: If you want ATI ... then the x1900xt 256 or 512 is a great bang for the $$ card. Most people already have a preferance from previous experience. Either will give you a great gaming experience.

 

[jlin101]

these are probably left-over but NEW GTX cards equipped with Samsung RAM's, instead of returned or refurbished cards. eVGA and MSI already got bad PR for failing GTX cards, it would be foolish for them to sell bad cards, even at lower RAM clock, knowing just about everyone is going to o/c the GTO, as covered by the warranty. An X1900XT 256 may perform equally or slightly better, but with much higher heat/noise/power consumption--you would need to spend another $30+ for an Accelero. I paid $280 for an X800XL just 1.5 years ago (plus $35 for an AC Silencer); so this is a great step-up for less money.

 

[poohbear]

lol all this talk is not new at all. its common, and economical, practice that's been going on in the industry for decades. CPU/GPU companies dont just toss out chips that dont work, they'd go bankrupt. They rebadge them to something new that they can sell. read the following i saved from years ago:

"This strategy for chip distribution is called "chip binning", where if a chip isn't qualified to run at full Ti4600 (300 MHz) speeds, nVidia will clock it down and sell it as a Ti4400 (275 MHz) chip, if the chip is perfectly stable at lower clock speeds. While the chips cost nVidia the same amount to manufacture, depending on what speeds the chips are tested to run at, nVidia can sell them as two seperate products. This process is extremely common in the microprocessor industry, and helps . While this information isn't anything new, we thought people should know the fundamental difference between these two products.

Even though the GeForce4 Ti4400 and Ti4600 run off the same architecture, the cores are phyically labeled different before they make it onto actual boards. As you can see by the images below, the GeForce4 Ti4600 chips are labeled as "NV25 Ultra", while the GeForce4 Ti4400 chips are simply labeled as "NV25"."

evga and MSI are'nt doing anything shady folks, its perfectly normal and good business practice.

 

[Woofmeister]

Bah, even AnandTech itself is picking the 7900GTOs for their Baseline AMD High-End Platform in the High End Buyer's Guide.

I seem to be cursed with the worst overclocking 7900GTOs on these forums and I'm still clocking the memory above 1500 MHz and I'm getting great results in Futuremark and in games. I promise to report back if I experience any problems, but, lets face it, with EVGA's lifetime warranty, I'm bulletproof even if something does go wrong.

The EVGA 7900GTO is the best deal around in Nvidia-based graphics cards. Case closed.

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
Bah, even AnandTech itself is picking the 7900GTOs for their Baseline AMD High-End Platform in the High End Buyer's Guide.

I seem to be cursed with the worst overclocking 7900GTOs on these forums and I'm still clocking the memory above 1500 MHz and I'm getting great results in Futuremark and in games. I promise to report back if I experience any problems, but, lets face it, with EVGA's lifetime warranty, I'm bulletproof even if something does go wrong.

The EVGA 7900GTO is the best deal around in Nvidia-based graphics cards. Case closed.

Sorry about the clocks man, I guess I should feel extra lucky...

Where did you get yours from?

 

[Maximilian]

I feel tempted to overclock mine now.... or at least take off the cooler and find out what type of memory is actually under there.

 

[Woofmeister]

I'm stuck at 667/751. I'm going to try Riva as soon as I nail down some other unrelated stability issues.

 

[videopho]

Originally posted by: Soviet
I feel tempted to overclock mine now.... or at least take off the cooler and find out what type of memory is actually under there.

It's the Samsung 1.1ns.
Why just o/c' it without the risk of damaging the cooler when removed, unless you feel 100% falseproof fiddling with it?
I've simply used coolbit and instantly have my GTO running at 691/1600 rock solid for days now.

 

[emilyek]

Mine's now at 690/800. It might go higher, but I haven't tried.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: videopho

Originally posted by: Soviet
I feel tempted to overclock mine now.... or at least take off the cooler and find out what type of memory is actually under there.

It's the Samsung 1.1ns.
Why just o/c' it without the risk of damaging the cooler when removed, unless you feel 100% falseproof fiddling with it?
I've simply used coolbit and instantly have my GTO running at 691/1600 rock solid for days now.

Its that for both EVGA and MSI? I have the MSI card.

 

[videopho]

Originally posted by: Soviet

Originally posted by: videopho

Originally posted by: Soviet
I feel tempted to overclock mine now.... or at least take off the cooler and find out what type of memory is actually under there.

It's the Samsung 1.1ns.
Why just o/c' it without the risk of damaging the cooler when removed, unless you feel 100% falseproof fiddling with it?
I've simply used coolbit and instantly have my GTO running at 691/1600 rock solid for days now.

Its that for both EVGA and MSI? I have the MSI card.

I was refering to eVGA and unser assumption you had the same maker.
You must be located on the other side of the great pond. In that case you need to post your remark over overclocker-uk site to see if you have better luck finding out.

 

[Cardio]

You mean EVGA is profit loving? How un-Communist of them!

 

[liquid51]

Slap on a vf-900, BFG copper ramsyncs, throw a couple more on the vregs, whip out your trusty pencil and multimeter, and you're well on your way to 700/1900+

And if it dies? I'm not saying anything, but I've heard lead markings on a resistor are quite easily removed...

of course, thats exactly not what I'm going to do