Word of Warning About 7900GTO

[Creig]

As long as they run fine at the stock speed they're advertised for then there's no real problem. Overclocking comes with no guarantees. I'd be willing to bet that some people with a good overclocking GTO can still hit higher speeds than someone with a poorly overclocking GTX.

Besides, it's half the price of a GTX. If people want a card guaranteed to hit GTX speeds then just buy a GTX.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

why is this news?
this always happens.
x1900gt are x1900xt that didn't make the cut
x1900xt are x1900xtx that didn't mkae the cut

x800gt/gto/xl/pro are all cards that didn't make some sort of cut. so they renamed and sold as slower cards.

what did you guys think ? evga decided to simply sell its 7900gtx at lower prices to make you happy.

 

[MBrown]

refurbed GTX's eh?

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
why is this news?
this always happens.
x1900gt are x1900xt that didn't make the cut
x1900xt are x1900xtx that didn't mkae the cut

x800gt/gto/xl/pro are all cards that didn't make some sort of cut. so they renamed and sold as slower cards.

what did you guys think ? evga decided to simply sell its 7900gtx at lower prices to make you happy.

Uhhh, No. Not necessarily. Most of those products above were created out of consumer demand for cheaper video cards and/or for ATI to have a card in a particular price bracket. I don't think any of those models were a limited release of rebadged cards that couldn't make a "cut". Only the X800GTO and GTO^2 were rebadged, but as far as I know they were fully functioning cores that ATI just wanted to dump.

 

[jkyle]

EVga and lifetime warranty not so great. you get the right to pay them $40 a pop every time the card needs to be fixed/rma'ed for the lifetime of the card =/ Even if it is defective and they admit it you still have to pay shipping costs both ways. Either way the whole rma process was slow painful and expensive. My first and last evga card.

 

[dcr]

Well, I certainly didn't buy these cards because I wanted to overclock the heck out of them. Stock performance is awesome for the price, and considering I paid $45 shipped for the Asus A8N that the card (and soon cards) will be in, I couldn't be happier.

 

[nullpointerus]

EVGA is, like, the worst company on earth, man.

1. Do not give me any of that "speed-binning" crap. We get overclocks and unlockable pipes on some cards simply because the silicon fairy rewards good little fanboys and girls, not because of any stupid, so-called "manufacturing realities."

2. This is all nVidia's fault. Lately they've been getting away with murder by making crap cards. How dare they produce 7900-model chips that only work at stock speeds! They should have realized that manufacturers, like EVGA, who does not like the silicon fairy, would be selling them retail at insane overclocks.

3. We know that these cards are refurbs. How do we know? Um, like, we just do, man. So there! I mean, it's not like any manufacturer is going to be left with an excess of 7900GTX boxes just because they've got a lot of 7900GTX cards that can't be sold as such. How dare they put a sticker on a worthless GTX box to make it a usable GTO box?! This is unreal.

Well, I don't know about you, but as for me, EVGA can take their evil, profit-loving, fairy-hating business somewhere else. I won't be buying any of these new, sold-as-new, not-advertised-as-something-they-can't-deliver cards. Heck, they probably don't even overclock 10% anyway. Cheapskates! ATI FTW!

/parody

 

[dcr]

You still don't have proof, so right now, it is all guessing.

I say we watch this thread:

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20147

 

[Pete]

I don't get it, replacing the stock cooler and OCing the cards is eVGA's fault? Or are ppl seeing broken cards right out of the box?

 

[Thor86]

Selling refurbished as new, nice going eVGA.

 

[blckgrffn]

Mine was/is fine. If there are many issues with these card, I'll probably cut my losses at 15% and will have learned my lesson.

So far, I am not getting to excited. I have a silent card that rocks performance wise, was a good deal, and has a big if not so friendly warranty. The card also doesn't eat too much power or super heat my case.

The EVGA hate is amazing... I loved the parody, BTW

 

[eventerke]

I can't believe it - I hear that AMD and Intel are in on this "speed binning" scam as well with thier CPUs

I picked up the card because I couldn't resist the upgrade to my 6800 Ultra at that price. With DX10 cards coming, I couldn't see spending more, and I really wanted a proper 512mb card.

If I get GTX speeds, great. If not, so what? Another thing to remember is that when manufacturers do this speed binning, they have to account for all kinds of installation parameters - if every install required the careful cooling we'll probably give these cards, they'd get too many returns to begin with.

OC'ing is half the fun - Opty 144@2.9Ghz and 165@2.6 (we'll see how it does with the voltmod when my new card goes in).

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: eventerke
I can't believe it - I hear that AMD and Intel are in on this "speed binning" scam as well with thier CPUs

I picked up the card because I couldn't resist the upgrade to my 6800 Ultra at that price. With DX10 cards coming, I couldn't see spending more, and I really wanted a proper 512mb card.

If I get GTX speeds, great. If not, so what? Another thing to remember is that when manufacturers do this speed binning, they have to account for all kinds of installation parameters - if every install required the careful cooling we'll probably give these cards, they'd get too many returns to begin with.

OC'ing is half the fun - Opty 144@2.9Ghz and 165@2.6 (we'll see how it does with the voltmod when my new card goes in).

What, I shouldn't stick this in my Dell minitower with a Pentium D 960? What?

 

[Kabob]

Not like this is the first time a manufacturer has relabeled and sold "problem cards" as new. I think it was the 6800LE that had the same scenario (I believe the that beneath the sticker that said LE it said Ultra...). Just a way for them to try and make up for their losses. And if it dies...you've got the warranty.

Don't complain if it doesn't overclock to GTX speeds, you're not paying for a GTX now are ya.

 

[eventerke]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
What, I shouldn't stick this in my Dell minitower with a Pentium D 960? What?

Well, winter is coming on soon. That'd make a nice space heater

I'm getting my boss' dual-Xeon workstation because he can't stand the heat under his desk anymore.

 

[Raider1284]

People just expected WAY too much out of this card and the rumor that it was just a relabelled GTX caused it. Like people were saying they wouldnt sell prefectly good GTXs at this price. And even if these dont overclock to the GTX speeds, they still perform quite well.

French benchmarks, if you guys havent seen this yet:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/639-3/comparatif-gpu-dx9-200-350.html

 

[videopho]

Am I sensing "a feeling of jealous envy (especially of an inferior rival)" by reading these posts?

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Creig
As long as they run fine at the stock speed they're advertised for then there's no real problem.

Yup. I was about to spring for a Gigabyte 7900GT (one that comes factory with Zalman cooler) for the same price. What I see is getting twice the RAM and a faster core for the same price, plus it should be reasonably quiet.

Originally posted by: Thor86
Selling refurbished as new, nice going eVGA.

That's all speculation. I don't think any company would dare to do that. Besides, people are quick enough to buy refurbished/reloaded stuff for cheap that if it really was refurb, they'd probably be sold as such. How many people would jump on a refurb 7900GTX for $250 versus $400 for new? I'd say quite a few.

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
I loved the parody, BTW

 

[BaldAvenger]

Sounds to me like they "rebranded" that particular card run because of the memory issues. Its no different than cpu's and memory geting binned. These are most likely new cards from the problem run. Still a great deal for what u get. I might have to get one...

 

[djnsmith7]

I don't think a company can legally sell a product as new once the packaging seal is broken. That product has to be sold as used.

I'd like to see if someone can prove they actually received a previously sold product.

In terms of the argument about the GTO being a product that was expected to meet GTX standards & requirements, but didn't, who cares. It's nearly half the price with very good performance numbers.

As someone mentioned earlier, that happens all the time with GPU's & RAM chips. That's one of the reasons we have so many different models to choose from.

Those of you here whom are familiar with substrates & depositions, you know the chips are put through enormous amounts of stress under heat & stress tests, & many of the same chips from the same die sheets come off with different test results.

We see this same process with CPU's. Not every CPU under the E6600 tests are going to produce E6600 results.

So, where does that leave us? Well, these cards are leaving in GTX boxes, which is very suspicious & justifies all of our questions.

If these cards have never been sold previously, then in my opinion, we don't have a problem. We got a great deal on a great card & leave it at that.

If they have, then there's a very serious problem. We have a company selling Used products as New. I believe that would be illegal here in the state of CA.

 

[BassBomb]

Originally posted by: djnsmith7
I don't think a company can legally sell a product as new once the packaging seal is broken. That product has to be sold as used.

I'd like to see if someone can prove they actually received a previously sold product.

In terms of the argument about the GTO being a product that was expected to meet GTX standards & requirements, but didn't, who cares. It's nearly half the price with very good performance numbers.

As someone mentioned earlier, that happens all the time with GPU's & RAM chips. That's one of the reasons we have so many different models to choose from.

Those of you here whom are familiar with substrates & depositions, you know the chips are put through enormous amounts of stress under heat & stress tests, & many of the same chips from the same die sheets come off with different test results.

We see this same process with CPU's. Not every CPU under the E6600 tests are going to produce E6600 results.

So, where does that leave us? Well, these cards are leaving in GTX boxes, which is very suspicious & justifies all of our questions.

If these cards have never been sold previously, then in my opinion, we don't have a problem. We got a great deal on a great card & leave it at that.

If they have, then there's a very serious problem. We have a company selling Used products as New. I believe that would be illegal here in the state of CA.

you think the manufacturer cannot repackage? may god have mercy on your soul
refurbished != used

 

[jiffylube1024]

First of all, I don't think this really should reflect badly on Nvidia or even their board partners. It's mainly because Samsung's GDDR3 isn't hitting rated clockspeeds.

You get what you pay for, and we've all become a bit spoiled. There is no guarantee of overclocking, and people who overclock these cards to death should not get new ones -- a 7900GTO is still a damn fine card at $250.

People bitching because these cards won't reach the RAM's "rated" speeds are ignoring the whole premise of speed binning, and the fact that they are buying a card rated at a certain speed. There is no guarantee that 1.1ns RAM can do 1.1ns speeds!!!

 

[djnsmith7]

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: djnsmith7
I don't think a company can legally sell a product as new once the packaging seal is broken. That product has to be sold as used.

I'd like to see if someone can prove they actually received a previously sold product.

In terms of the argument about the GTO being a product that was expected to meet GTX standards & requirements, but didn't, who cares. It's nearly half the price with very good performance numbers.

As someone mentioned earlier, that happens all the time with GPU's & RAM chips. That's one of the reasons we have so many different models to choose from.

Those of you here whom are familiar with substrates & depositions, you know the chips are put through enormous amounts of stress under heat & stress tests, & many of the same chips from the same die sheets come off with different test results.

We see this same process with CPU's. Not every CPU under the E6600 tests are going to produce E6600 results.

So, where does that leave us? Well, these cards are leaving in GTX boxes, which is very suspicious & justifies all of our questions.

If these cards have never been sold previously, then in my opinion, we don't have a problem. We got a great deal on a great card & leave it at that.

If they have, then there's a very serious problem. We have a company selling Used products as New. I believe that would be illegal here in the state of CA.

you think the manufacturer cannot repackage? may god have mercy on your soul
refurbished != used

I don't think a company can sell a product as New once it's already been sold. It can sell a product as Used or Refurbished, but not New.

Do we have a legal expert here that can verify or reject this?

 

[videopho]

"I don't think a company can sell a product as New once it's already been sold. It can sell a product as Used or Refurbished, but not New. "

I'm no legal expert but it is a law in many states.
If I recall Fry's was hit big time wth the law several years back for making that practice.

 

[djnsmith7]

Originally posted by: BassBomb

Originally posted by: djnsmith7
I don't think a company can legally sell a product as new once the packaging seal is broken. That product has to be sold as used.

I'd like to see if someone can prove they actually received a previously sold product.

In terms of the argument about the GTO being a product that was expected to meet GTX standards & requirements, but didn't, who cares. It's nearly half the price with very good performance numbers.

As someone mentioned earlier, that happens all the time with GPU's & RAM chips. That's one of the reasons we have so many different models to choose from.

Those of you here whom are familiar with substrates & depositions, you know the chips are put through enormous amounts of stress under heat & stress tests, & many of the same chips from the same die sheets come off with different test results.

We see this same process with CPU's. Not every CPU under the E6600 tests are going to produce E6600 results.

So, where does that leave us? Well, these cards are leaving in GTX boxes, which is very suspicious & justifies all of our questions.

If these cards have never been sold previously, then in my opinion, we don't have a problem. We got a great deal on a great card & leave it at that.

If they have, then there's a very serious problem. We have a company selling Used products as New. I believe that would be illegal here in the state of CA.

you think the manufacturer cannot repackage? may god have mercy on your soul
refurbished != used

Read the entire message before you reply, or at least know what you're talking about.