[Work-around found] Updated BIOS caused Windows to deactivate / sign in using local account now gone

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whm1974

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Yes but I'm thinking that in the long run, the cost will greatly outweigh any benefits users may receive from having a Microsoft account.
 

SViscusi

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Yes but I'm thinking that in the long run, the cost will greatly outweigh any benefits users may receive from having a Microsoft account.
Most definitely for power users. I myself haven't seen one benefit to me personally. I don't have multiple MS devices, (table, pc, laptop, phone), or have any real need for cloud storage, and the MS app store isn't even close to google or apple, so they offer me nothing. I also hate the subscription model, the minute my copy of Office 2013 stops working is the minute I use one of the free office suites. But I understand I'm an atypical case and for a great many the convenience of not being tied to a specific piece of hardware and instead to a virtual account outweighs the potentially added cost.
 

whm1974

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There is no way I'm going to subscribe to software, which is why I switched over to Linux completely. I think once Microsoft starts the subscription model for both Office and Windows, people will begin looking at Linux.
 

mikeymikec

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That's what I'm stuck on though. I've never seen a BIOS update trigger activation and from a technical perspective, I'm not even sure how it would.

Really? I have, though not on Win10. My previous AM3 board has done it on more than one occasion after a BIOS update, for example (the only one I can readily think of, but it certainly wasn't a one-off or specific to that board). I've seen that kind of thing trigger tonnes of hardware redetection the next time Windows starts. I've seen VGA cards be detected as new hardware after a motherboard BIOS update as well. Perhaps some BIOS updates do something along the lines of revising the ACPI table, or bumping the ACPI revision up incrementally?
 

whm1974

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Really? I have, though not on Win10. My previous AM3 board has done it on more than one occasion after a BIOS update, for example (the only one I can readily think of, but it certainly wasn't a one-off or specific to that board). I've seen that kind of thing trigger tonnes of hardware redetection the next time Windows starts. I've seen VGA cards be detected as new hardware after a motherboard BIOS update as well. Perhaps some BIOS updates do something along the lines of revising the ACPI table, or bumping the ACPI revision up incrementally?
That Microsoft can't account for people updating their BIOS and replacing Video Card is on the face of it, rather silly since both of these actives are fairly common during the lifetime of of owning a computer.
 

mikeymikec

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That Microsoft can't account for people updating their BIOS and replacing Video Card is on the face of it, rather silly since both of these actives are fairly common during the lifetime of of owning a computer.

I don't think I've ever seen a re-activation needed purely because of a video card change.
 

UsandThem

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I just read the first couple pages of this thread, and I personally think there were some MAJOR changes in this BIOS:
https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/has-anybody-updated-bios-on-ga-z170x-ud5.227977/

It doesn't excuse how difficult MS has made things, but I don't think a few little bug fixes would have caused your license to react this way.

I agree. I've updated the BIOS before with no issue. This last update was specifically for the Intel HT bug.

I wouldn't really would've cared about reactivating Windows, but since I paid extra for the retail version over an OEM version, they could have made it a smoother process. I think the thing that bugged me the most was them prompting me to log into my Microsoft email, and then changing my local login without the option to change it back.

Sometimes we are at the mercy of their activation. I know I bought two Office 2010 licenses, and used them over many years. I upgraded my desktop a few times and my laptop a couple times, and when I built my Skylake system in late 2015, I tried to install it on there. However, both licenses would not activate and it said the "activation allowance" had been reached. They didn't tell me what the magic number was, and still denied them activating. So basically I threw money away for two programs I bought. However, things like PC games that I bought around the same time can still be installed, activated, and enjoyed (like Civ 4, Civ 5, and Civ 6).
 

VirtualLarry

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So basically I threw money away for two programs I bought.
That's what commercial software ultimately IS (*). Throwing your money away. They're not honest, not any more than the pir8's are. If anything, the pir8's are MORE honest.

That might infuriate commercial devs., but perhaps... they should consider making their project open-source, and take donations?

(I have paid for more copies of Windows during my lifespan so far, it makes my head spin. I have so many PCs... the situation is frikken ridiculous. What they SHOULD do, is make a USB "license dongle", when you buy Windows, and then you can plug it into ANY PC, and it will be "licensed" automagically, to YOU. None of this, "oh, new motherboard? new PC? Pay us AGAIN, for the same software.")

(Edit: They should make a LAN version too, kind of like a KMS server, but something that you could plug into the ethernet LAN on your router, or possibly, a way to use the USB dongle, but connected to your router or NAS's USB port, and shared with your LAN. The "Family license" dongle. Like the "Family Pack" of Windows, only, it would really work for a family, and the "local license use only" would be enforced, by them being on a LAN. Although, VPNing in to the LAN, to allow remote computers to be "licensed", might be a loophole.)

(*) Commercial software, that has required activation, or installation limits, that is. Which is pretty-close to 100% of it out there. Is there any software that is sold "like a book", like Borland Compiliers used to be?
 
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whm1974

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The advantages of not having to deal with licensing keys and other issues are very good reasons to switch to Linux and FOSS.
 

Ketchup

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The advantages of not having to deal with licensing keys and other issues are very good reasons to switch to Linux and FOSS.
Really? You don't use Windows? I wasn't sure since you only mentioned it in five posts in this thread alone!
 
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escrow4

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Because then they have a greater chance of you using their other services. Email, search, appstore, cloud storage and apps, anything they can sell to you. Plus maybe one day they can convince you that it might be better to charge you $4.99 a month or $49.99 anually for the latest and greatest O/S, you don't even need a new account, just add your credit card to this one.

Microsoft just wants you in their ecosystem. They want you to treat your computer like you treat your phone. Everything tied to one account, disposable hardware, etc. For the vast majority of the population it's quite convienent. I just had to migrate my elderly Aunt to a new computer and it boiled down to a couple programs, some documents, and some settings. Had she not gone from Win 7 to 10 and instead went from 8 to 10 or 10 to a new 10 and had she been using office 365 vs office a retail 2010 all I would have needed to do would have been to install 2 games, a new web browser, and a couple mb's of files.

That's the trade. MS gets a better opportunity to sell you something and you get greater convenience. It's not for me, at least in PC land, or for most here but there is some benefit.

I'd sign up same day for a subscription to Windows and Office. Office 365 costs me less than $10 a month for 5 devices, add 5 copies of Windows for $20 a month and SOLD! If MS wants my porn and some docs go for it. All the main acronym intelligence agencies have all that anyway.
 
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I don't think I've ever seen a re-activation needed purely because of a video card change.

I've needed re-activation (Win 7) after changing my nic drivers. It's happened twice over the past couple of years And once for changing a hard drive. <shrug>
 
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