Working out daily...

[Johnbear007]

lol

you need to seriously research some sports nutrition.

And taking the atitude " I know you arent supposed to do this, but I don't care" is just stupid.

 

[Whisper]

Oh, and to the original poster, working out everyday is counterproductive in most cases. Your muscles will not have time to rebuild, will become fatigued, will break down, and will eventually cause injury. You also won't notice nearly as much in the way of results as you would taking a day off between sessions.

 

[Johnbear007]

BTW

The idea that weight training is counter productive to losing fat is hooey. Read some of the science on this. Especially if you have an excess of body fat and a good clean diet. Weight training will not only build muscle, but in adding lean muscle, you will increase your resting metabolic rate, and burn fat that much more efficiently.


If you want a good beginners plan, pickup Body-for-life by Bill Phillips

This is a great book to get anyone started on weight training and a healthy life style. It doesnt lean on any stupid gimmcks, just good proven techniques.

 

[HarryAngel]

A combination of weight training and cardio is best if you want to keep muscles and lose fat. You will lose some muscles also but with right training you can also build. Basically it boils down to what weight you want to carry and determination.

Whats your current weight and whats your goal? If you are fat it's important to have a target weight in focus and work your way down to it. Once you get close to the taget, let the mirror do the talking. No reason to lose more if you are ripped?hard by then.

 

[PhaZe]

I think you should focus on one thing at a time. Either lose weight or gain muscle, I think it's very difficult to do both at the same time unless you have the perfect diet. As far as your weight staying the same, it might be that you lost a little but gained a little muscle mass.

You should also set up a journal of some sort to track everything you eat. I mean EVERYTHING. It would be better if we knew your stats also. Age, weight, what type of foods that you eat. etc... That way you can figure out your weekly calorie deficit.

Cardio is the key. There's no way around it, and you probably won't see results until 2 months into your program. This is where most people quit, when they don't see results after a month or two people give in. Don't. If you're doing it right you will see results.

A site that helped me was forum.bodybuilding.com There's a plethora of knowledgeable people there willing to help you make a workout plan and diet.

 

[Rudee]

If you want to get the aerobic benefit of weight training, reduce your rest time to 43 seconds to 1 minute between sets.

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Johnbear007
BTW

The idea that weight training is counter productive to losing fat is hooey. Read some of the science on this. Especially if you have an excess of body fat and a good clean diet. Weight training will not only build muscle, but in adding lean muscle, you will increase your resting metabolic rate, and burn fat that much more efficiently.


If you want a good beginners plan, pickup Body-for-life by Bill Phillips

This is a great book to get anyone started on weight training and a healthy life style. It doesnt lean on any stupid gimmcks, just good proven techniques.

BODY FOR LIFE! BWAHAHAHA!

Listen, You cannot build muscle without the actions of insulin - DO A GOOGLE SEARCH ON IT - NUTRIENTS CANNOT BE TRANSPORTED
TO MUSCLE CELLS WITHOUT INSULIN. FAT CANNOT BE BURNED IN THE PRESENCE OF INSULIN - YOU CANNOT GAIN MUSCLE WITHOUT
CALORIC SURPLUS.

I love arguing with internet experts - FYI - I am a competetive bodybuilder that competes in the NPC circuit - you guys obviously
know WAY more than I do - I've been in this game for years and I talk to those that have been in this game just as long as I.
But Rudee, you're the f*cking expert bro

And whoever said high intensity cardio doesn't raise metabolism - BWAHAHA - I have a glucometer and heart rate monitor
that STRONGLY disagrees with you

 

[Chrono]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Electric AmishSounds like you need more cardio. Burn more calories. Weight-lifting doesn't really burn a lot of calories, afaik.amish

Oh really? Get under the squat rack with me for 8 heavy sets of deep squats, supersetted with heavy leg extensions with only 1 minute rest between sets, and try to catch your breath. Weight lifting can be very aerobic if you reduce your rest time and increase the intensity. Besides, the biggest metabolic gain comes with the added muscle mass which will surely follow if you workout hard and eat properly.

Ditto.If your resting 3-4 minutes between sets its TOO LONG unless its technical lifting for a sport, pole vaulting or O-lifts etc.Running on an empty stomach isn't bad for you. Its okay to get out of bed get ready and then go running. Trust me if you do this for say an hr in the mornings for 6 weeks you GET CUT.I call bs on anyone with 7% bf. You should have a CRAZY ripped 8-pack at that bf% unless you have no muscle development that is.........Don't go on what you weigh Paulson. Remember as you are training a lot you are also building muscle mass. The fat will go get less and less over time. Remember you are training and doing some weights so you are building muscle. Lose fat and building muscle so its cancelling each other at the moment. You will get to a point where your body won't want to get rid of anymore fat unless you do more specific work or increase the intensity of things. Then you will start to gain weight.
Go by on what you look and clothe sizes. Is the belly decreasing? Is the fat in your arms or legs getting less? If yes then thats good.

Hey skip rope if you can. Skip for 15minutes IF YOU CAN, its tough work you will burn about 250 calories I think or something like that.

Also to get cut abbs it takes a lot of work. Some specific things help A LOT. What are you currently doing for them?

My abbs around about 12.7% bf.......

--- Message from Koing having computer problems.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Johnbear007
BTW

The idea that weight training is counter productive to losing fat is hooey. Read some of the science on this. Especially if you have an excess of body fat and a good clean diet. Weight training will not only build muscle, but in adding lean muscle, you will increase your resting metabolic rate, and burn fat that much more efficiently.


If you want a good beginners plan, pickup Body-for-life by Bill Phillips

This is a great book to get anyone started on weight training and a healthy life style. It doesnt lean on any stupid gimmcks, just good proven techniques.

BODY FOR LIFE! BWAHAHAHA!

Listen, You cannot build muscle without the actions of insulin - DO A GOOGLE SEARCH ON IT - NUTRIENTS CANNOT BE TRANSPORTED
TO MUSCLE CELLS WITHOUT INSULIN. FAT CANNOT BE BURNED IN THE PRESENCE OF INSULIN - YOU CANNOT GAIN MUSCLE WITHOUT
CALORIC SURPLUS.

I love arguing with internet experts - FYI - I am a competetive bodybuilder that competes in the NPC circuit - you guys obviously
know WAY more than I do - I've been in this game for years and I talk to those that have been in this game just as long as I.
But Rudee, you're the f*cking expert bro

Yes, you win the awared for being a idiot. BTW, I've been bodybuilding over 17 years. Listen you putz, if you knew anything about insulin you would know that protein is also insulinogenic. If you eat a very large meal, even if it's pure protein or fat, it will stimulate postprandial (after meal) insulin levels. Insulin facilitates protein synthesis, but that's only part of promoting anabolism. Don't give me this crap that insulin must be completely out of your system for you to gain muscle, because that's a bunch of crap. I don't care how many google searches you do on your Sesame Street bodybuilding board - you're wrong bro. Go back to Spa Lady!

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Sounds like you need more cardio. Burn more calories. Weight-lifting doesn't really burn a lot of calories, afaik.

amish

Oh really? Get under the squat rack with me for 8 heavy sets of deep squats, supersetted with heavy leg extensions with only 1 minute rest between sets, and try to catch your breath. Weight lifting can be very aerobic if you reduce your rest time and increase the intensity. Besides, the biggest metabolic gain comes with the added muscle mass which will surely follow if you workout hard and eat properly.

THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS TO GAIN MUSCLE MASS, you need to have a caloric surplus and you need
insulin to transport nutrients to muscle cells to help them recover - BOTH of these are counterproductive
to losing fat! IF you want to lose bodyfat, you should concentrate on doing high intensity aerobics, period!
Now weightlifting can be beneficial in that it will help minimize muscle wasting which is pretty prevelant
in people that do alot of running - but this is not an issue until you get to a relatively low bodyfat percentage,
I would say around 13% and below.

The other thing is - the KEY to burning fat is a consistently high heart rate! Yes squats will definitely
boost your heart rate up there but how long does a set of 20 squats last? 1 minute? Than you'll probably
rest for 3-4. Cardio will raise your heartrate consistently over a longer period of time thus its MUCH BETTER
for burning fat.

An overreliance on aerobics will produce a depressed metabolic rate due to muscle wasting. Aerobics does not raise resting metabolic rate for any significant period of time. Aerobics burns calories. Whether it burns calories from fat or calories from muscle or calories from glycogen depends a lot on your energy expenditure. Contrary to popular opinion, sprinting on the treadmill does not allow your body to tap into it's fat stores. You'll be burning sugar for fuel, not fat. Fat is metabolized at a lower rate, thus you need to slow down to a moderate speed to properly tap into fat stores. High Intensity aerobics is good at burning sugar, not fat. If you are already relatively lean, then high intensity aerobics will surely cause you to waste precious muscle. Raising your metabolic rate through strength training is a MUCH BETTER way of burning bodyfat.

You quite simply don't know what you're talking about - YES, during high intensity aerobics glucose is burned *DURING EXERCISE*
but high intensity cardio - since it raises your heartrate CONSISTENTLY during exercise (which is not true for weight training, unless
you're doing it wrong) will raise your metabolic rate for up to 18 hours post exercise. This means that you will clear glucose
faster post exercise, have better insulin sensitivity, and burn more calories (INCLUDING CALORIES FROM FAT) *AFTER* exercise.

Ultimately, you will never burn much fat during exercise - Those most successful at burning fat either use drugs to accomplish it
or do cardio intense enough to burn fat post exercise.

 

[V00DOO]

While cutting Pops & sweets is a good start you will need to do more. I know exactly how you feel, 2 years ago I was working out 4-5 times 1-2 hours a day for 1 year and didn't noticed any result. I finally decided to cut down on my calories intake by 30 percents and watch what I atet. I also limit my carb intake and before I knew I lost 25 lbs and kept it off for 6 months. You have to be committed to your diet as much as you do with your work out. According to one of the training in my Gym who compete in amateur boby building "90 of training is dieting". I often has the urges for junk food and pizza which I don't deprive myself from but instead of the whole pizza I will just eat a single slice. Every body is different therefore you will need to find what works best for you and your body. Good luck.

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Johnbear007
BTW

The idea that weight training is counter productive to losing fat is hooey. Read some of the science on this. Especially if you have an excess of body fat and a good clean diet. Weight training will not only build muscle, but in adding lean muscle, you will increase your resting metabolic rate, and burn fat that much more efficiently.


If you want a good beginners plan, pickup Body-for-life by Bill Phillips

This is a great book to get anyone started on weight training and a healthy life style. It doesnt lean on any stupid gimmcks, just good proven techniques.

BODY FOR LIFE! BWAHAHAHA!

Listen, You cannot build muscle without the actions of insulin - DO A GOOGLE SEARCH ON IT - NUTRIENTS CANNOT BE TRANSPORTED
TO MUSCLE CELLS WITHOUT INSULIN. FAT CANNOT BE BURNED IN THE PRESENCE OF INSULIN - YOU CANNOT GAIN MUSCLE WITHOUT
CALORIC SURPLUS.

I love arguing with internet experts - FYI - I am a competetive bodybuilder that competes in the NPC circuit - you guys obviously
know WAY more than I do - I've been in this game for years and I talk to those that have been in this game just as long as I.
But Rudee, you're the f*cking expert bro

Yes, you win the awared for being a idiot. BTW, I've been bodybuilding over 17 years. Listen you putz, if you knew anything about insulin you would know that protein is also insulinogenic. If you eat a very large meal, even if it's pure protein or fat, it will stimulate postprandial (after meal) insulin levels. Insulin facilitates protein synthesis, but that's only part of promoting anabolism. Don't give me this crap that insulin must be completely out of your system for you to gain muscle, because that's a bunch of crap. I don't care how many google searches you do on your Sesame Street bodybuilding board - you're wrong bro. Go back to Spa Lady!

Again, you simply don't know what the hell you're talking about - Animal proteins have a VERY minimal blood glucose response -
If you had ever bothered to measure your blood glucose regularly you would see that. Seeing that insulin is produced by
the pancreas in response to high blood glucose levels, you better d*mn well believe that protein is much less insulinogenic
than a high carbohydrate meal is.

If you're such a bodybuilding guru, lets see your conditioning - i'll be glad to compare your pics to mine.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Sounds like you need more cardio. Burn more calories. Weight-lifting doesn't really burn a lot of calories, afaik.

amish

Oh really? Get under the squat rack with me for 8 heavy sets of deep squats, supersetted with heavy leg extensions with only 1 minute rest between sets, and try to catch your breath. Weight lifting can be very aerobic if you reduce your rest time and increase the intensity. Besides, the biggest metabolic gain comes with the added muscle mass which will surely follow if you workout hard and eat properly.

THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS TO GAIN MUSCLE MASS, you need to have a caloric surplus and you need
insulin to transport nutrients to muscle cells to help them recover - BOTH of these are counterproductive
to losing fat! IF you want to lose bodyfat, you should concentrate on doing high intensity aerobics, period!
Now weightlifting can be beneficial in that it will help minimize muscle wasting which is pretty prevelant
in people that do alot of running - but this is not an issue until you get to a relatively low bodyfat percentage,
I would say around 13% and below.

The other thing is - the KEY to burning fat is a consistently high heart rate! Yes squats will definitely
boost your heart rate up there but how long does a set of 20 squats last? 1 minute? Than you'll probably
rest for 3-4. Cardio will raise your heartrate consistently over a longer period of time thus its MUCH BETTER
for burning fat.

An overreliance on aerobics will produce a depressed metabolic rate due to muscle wasting. Aerobics does not raise resting metabolic rate for any significant period of time. Aerobics burns calories. Whether it burns calories from fat or calories from muscle or calories from glycogen depends a lot on your energy expenditure. Contrary to popular opinion, sprinting on the treadmill does not allow your body to tap into it's fat stores. You'll be burning sugar for fuel, not fat. Fat is metabolized at a lower rate, thus you need to slow down to a moderate speed to properly tap into fat stores. High Intensity aerobics is good at burning sugar, not fat. If you are already relatively lean, then high intensity aerobics will surely cause you to waste precious muscle. Raising your metabolic rate through strength training is a MUCH BETTER way of burning bodyfat.

You quite simply don't know what you're talking about - YES, during high intensity aerobics glucose is burned *DURING EXERCISE*
but high intensity cardio - since it raises your heartrate CONSISTENTLY during exercise (which is not true for weight training, unless
you're doing it wrong) will raise your metabolic rate for up to 18 hours post exercise. This means that you will clear glucose
faster post exercise, have better insulin sensitivity, and burn more calories (INCLUDING CALORIES FROM FAT) *AFTER* exercise.

Ultimately, you will never burn much fat during exercise - Those most successful at burning fat either use drugs to accomplish it
or do cardio intense enough to burn fat post exercise.

The chances of aerobics creating an elevated metabolism for 18 hours after exercise is slim to none - and slim left town. That's in extreme - and rare - cases. For most, an hour or two depending on the level of exercise expenditure.

 

[Yossarian]

If we could calm down the steroid rage in this thread I think there's actually some pretty good advice

 

[Blackened]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Sounds like you need more cardio. Burn more calories. Weight-lifting doesn't really burn a lot of calories, afaik.

amish

Oh really? Get under the squat rack with me for 8 heavy sets of deep squats, supersetted with heavy leg extensions with only 1 minute rest between sets, and try to catch your breath. Weight lifting can be very aerobic if you reduce your rest time and increase the intensity. Besides, the biggest metabolic gain comes with the added muscle mass which will surely follow if you workout hard and eat properly.

THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS TO GAIN MUSCLE MASS, you need to have a caloric surplus and you need
insulin to transport nutrients to muscle cells to help them recover - BOTH of these are counterproductive
to losing fat! IF you want to lose bodyfat, you should concentrate on doing high intensity aerobics, period!
Now weightlifting can be beneficial in that it will help minimize muscle wasting which is pretty prevelant
in people that do alot of running - but this is not an issue until you get to a relatively low bodyfat percentage,
I would say around 13% and below.

The other thing is - the KEY to burning fat is a consistently high heart rate! Yes squats will definitely
boost your heart rate up there but how long does a set of 20 squats last? 1 minute? Than you'll probably
rest for 3-4. Cardio will raise your heartrate consistently over a longer period of time thus its MUCH BETTER
for burning fat.

An overreliance on aerobics will produce a depressed metabolic rate due to muscle wasting. Aerobics does not raise resting metabolic rate for any significant period of time. Aerobics burns calories. Whether it burns calories from fat or calories from muscle or calories from glycogen depends a lot on your energy expenditure. Contrary to popular opinion, sprinting on the treadmill does not allow your body to tap into it's fat stores. You'll be burning sugar for fuel, not fat. Fat is metabolized at a lower rate, thus you need to slow down to a moderate speed to properly tap into fat stores. High Intensity aerobics is good at burning sugar, not fat. If you are already relatively lean, then high intensity aerobics will surely cause you to waste precious muscle. Raising your metabolic rate through strength training is a MUCH BETTER way of burning bodyfat.

You quite simply don't know what you're talking about - YES, during high intensity aerobics glucose is burned *DURING EXERCISE*
but high intensity cardio - since it raises your heartrate CONSISTENTLY during exercise (which is not true for weight training, unless
you're doing it wrong) will raise your metabolic rate for up to 18 hours post exercise. This means that you will clear glucose
faster post exercise, have better insulin sensitivity, and burn more calories (INCLUDING CALORIES FROM FAT) *AFTER* exercise.

Ultimately, you will never burn much fat during exercise - Those most successful at burning fat either use drugs to accomplish it
or do cardio intense enough to burn fat post exercise.

The chances of aerobics creating an elevated metabolism for 18 hours after exercise is slim to none - and slim left town. That's in extreme - and rare - cases. For most, an hour or two depending on the level of exercise expenditure.

The chances of you not knowing what the heck you're talking about - quite high. I've seen numerous studies on HIIT cardio and they
all point to an increased metabolism for up to 18 hours post exercise - and the proof is easily obtained by measuring
glucose tolerance post exercise.

 

[xyion]

I didn't read most of the thread, so if this has been said then I'm sorry. Anyway.

If you want to see your abs, you have to lose the fat covering them. If you work them out and are still fat, you will look fatter. Cardio is a factor in this, but diet is even more important.

Working out every day is not a problem. I used to lift 6 days a week, except I would do different muscle groups. I had a 3 day routine, which I did 2x a week. That?s 2 days rest for each muscle group. Worked just fine. However, I would not work the same muscles daily, because they do need time to repair, or else it is nearly worthless.

As for cardio, I found that alternating long distance and HIIT works great. It changes it up so your body does not get used to anything, which keeps the metabolism raging. Which is what you want.

If you are overweight, the beginning is where you will see the quickest gains/ weight loss. If this hasn?t happened yet, then you should check your diet as it may be hindering you goals.

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Blackened

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Sounds like you need more cardio. Burn more calories. Weight-lifting doesn't really burn a lot of calories, afaik.

amish

Oh really? Get under the squat rack with me for 8 heavy sets of deep squats, supersetted with heavy leg extensions with only 1 minute rest between sets, and try to catch your breath. Weight lifting can be very aerobic if you reduce your rest time and increase the intensity. Besides, the biggest metabolic gain comes with the added muscle mass which will surely follow if you workout hard and eat properly.

THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS TO GAIN MUSCLE MASS, you need to have a caloric surplus and you need
insulin to transport nutrients to muscle cells to help them recover - BOTH of these are counterproductive
to losing fat! IF you want to lose bodyfat, you should concentrate on doing high intensity aerobics, period!
Now weightlifting can be beneficial in that it will help minimize muscle wasting which is pretty prevelant
in people that do alot of running - but this is not an issue until you get to a relatively low bodyfat percentage,
I would say around 13% and below.

The other thing is - the KEY to burning fat is a consistently high heart rate! Yes squats will definitely
boost your heart rate up there but how long does a set of 20 squats last? 1 minute? Than you'll probably
rest for 3-4. Cardio will raise your heartrate consistently over a longer period of time thus its MUCH BETTER
for burning fat.

An overreliance on aerobics will produce a depressed metabolic rate due to muscle wasting. Aerobics does not raise resting metabolic rate for any significant period of time. Aerobics burns calories. Whether it burns calories from fat or calories from muscle or calories from glycogen depends a lot on your energy expenditure. Contrary to popular opinion, sprinting on the treadmill does not allow your body to tap into it's fat stores. You'll be burning sugar for fuel, not fat. Fat is metabolized at a lower rate, thus you need to slow down to a moderate speed to properly tap into fat stores. High Intensity aerobics is good at burning sugar, not fat. If you are already relatively lean, then high intensity aerobics will surely cause you to waste precious muscle. Raising your metabolic rate through strength training is a MUCH BETTER way of burning bodyfat.

You quite simply don't know what you're talking about - YES, during high intensity aerobics glucose is burned *DURING EXERCISE*
but high intensity cardio - since it raises your heartrate CONSISTENTLY during exercise (which is not true for weight training, unless
you're doing it wrong) will raise your metabolic rate for up to 18 hours post exercise. This means that you will clear glucose
faster post exercise, have better insulin sensitivity, and burn more calories (INCLUDING CALORIES FROM FAT) *AFTER* exercise.

Ultimately, you will never burn much fat during exercise - Those most successful at burning fat either use drugs to accomplish it
or do cardio intense enough to burn fat post exercise.

The chances of aerobics creating an elevated metabolism for 18 hours after exercise is slim to none - and slim left town. That's in extreme - and rare - cases. For most, an hour or two depending on the level of exercise expenditure.

The chances of you not knowing what the heck you're talking about - quite high. I've seen numerous studies on HIIT cardio and they
all point to an increased metabolism for up to 18 hours post exercise - and the proof is easily obtained by measuring
glucose tolerance post exercise.

I witness the effects of people who drop their carbohydrates to ridiculiously low levels and insist on performing high intensity exercise. Their body becomes catabolic and they end up becoming a smaller, flabbier version of their heavier selves. When blood sugar drops, glucagon rears it's ugly head, and the catabolic hormone cortisol is released. Cortisol is a very efficient destroyer of muscle tissue. I certainly wouldn't recommend HIIT more than 2 times a week. Still far better to use food and muscle to raise your metabolism. By the way, I did a search on your past posts, and you've certainly cause quite the stirr in previous discussions. I think you either need a girlfriend or a muzzle.

 

[Blackened]

Well, excuse me I do get annoyed when someone posts misinformation and is too stubborn in their
views to admit it.

I don't promote low carbohydrate diets, except when 1 day in the week is used as a carb-up - you're correct
that staying in ketosis for long periods of time will result in muscle cabolism and the release of cortisol.
I never stated otherwise.

High intensity cardio is good when used in short bouts (20 minutes or less) because it promotes
fat loss and increased insulin sensitivity without being overly catabolic - I haven't observed much improvement
in insulin sensitivity after weight training sessions - glucose clearance is very important in burning fat...
something that is overlooked by many people.

And once again - you keep saying increasing muscle mass is the key to increasing metabolism -
and apparently you weren't paying attention when I stated that caloric surplus is required,
and a diet high in carbohydrates (to get an adequate insulin release - to shuttle nutrients
to muscles) to gain muscle mass. Okay so by your plan, you can get a VERY SLIGHTLY faster
metabolism - at the cost of not losing a bit of fat and most likely gaining some. Sounds like a plan
to me. In addition, when your bodyfat is high, your insulin sensitivity will most likely be shot. That means
for the average fatass, for every pound of muscle gained means 2-3 pounds of fat is coupled with it.

 

[Paulson]

Ok, right now I weigh 219 lbs... No, I'm not fat, although I would like to lose the belly and love handles I so adequately have gained...

I run a mile at 8 mph, which burns 172 calories, but I also usually go on an exercise machine for 30 to 50 minutes a day eating anywhere from 500 calories to 900

And lifting weights for me is fun. I can max out at 300lbs.. currently I do 200 lbs 8 times on bench press.

I also do situps and exercise my ab muscles (they have a machine for that also which I do 10 times in each direction @ 120 lbs)

 

[Sid59]

without reading the responses ...

1. sounds like you lifting to get bigger and stronger, not to tone done and lean down. Muscle weighs more than fat and if you keep gaining mucle you aren't losing weight but the fat.
2. mile is decent, but shoot for X amout of time. 30-40 minutes is good.
3. sounds stupid .. but don't eat after you work out.

 

[Paulson]

ok, responding to your post sid...

1. I want to lost the fat... you're right... I'm not worried about the weight, because muscle will weight more than fat.
2. I do 30 minutes of cardio on a exercise machine, I don't know what it's called but it burns the calories... at least 500 calories per 1/2 hour and I run the mile
3. I usually don't... I try to workout 30-40 minutes after I eat...

 

[Amused]

Paulson,

I didn't read the whole thread, but let me give you some advise, OK?

Running a mile at 8 mph does exactly dick. It's pointless. If you want to lose fat, you need to have the duration of your cardio last longer than 20 minutes. Your body simply burns carb stores for the first 15 minutes or so of aerobic exercise. After that, your body turns to body fat for energy.

Lifting weights will NOT burn fat as your heart rate does not stay at it's target for a constant duration of 20 minutes or more.

You seem to be obsessed with "burning calories." Forget that. Think in terms of burning fat. Burning calories is pointless unless it's fat that's getting burned.

My suggestion: Run at around 6-8 mph for 3-4 miles, 4 days a week. If you cannot do that now, don't worry. Try a run/walk program, or work your way up to it. Set a four mile course and make yourself go through it 4 days a week, be it running, walking, or both.

As for lifting weights, break up your training into specific body parts if you want to lift 5 days a week.

Try this:

Mon: Chest
Tue: Back
Wed: Legs
Thur: Shoulders
Fri: Arms and abs

Do NOT do the same weight training day after day. It's counter productive and will not only lead to frustration, but injury and burn out.

In reality, you really should do it only 4 days a week.

My workout week loks like this:

Mon: Chest and 30 miniutes cardio at 140 HR
Tue: Back and 20 minutes cardio at 160 to 170HR
Wed: 40 minutes cardio at 130-140HR day off on weight lifting
Thur: Shoulders and arms and 20 minutes cardio at 160-170HR
Fri: Legs/abs and 30 minutes cardio at 130HR
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

Remember this: ALL gains in strength and muscle size are made during recovery. Your muscle recovery is just as important as the time spent lifting. Disrupt that recovery time, and you've wasted your time lifting because your muscles will not grow in strength and size. Recovery for each muscle group is 72 hours minimum, and you really should only work out each muscle group once a week.


My reaction to your post was this: You think working out sucks, and you're seeing no results, but you don't want to change what you're doing.

That ain't gonna cut it.

Just tryin' to help...

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Sounds like you need more cardio. Burn more calories. Weight-lifting doesn't really burn a lot of calories, afaik.

amish

Should have stopped with your first post, which was quit accurate.

As for this post, it has been scientifically proven more than once that anaerobic exercise burns more calories in the long run than aerobic.

Is this guy wrong then?

According to this... 10 minutes of weight lifting = 52 calories. 10 minutes of jogging burns 106.

amish

In the long run, strength training wins. If you take two people, give them identical diets, however one person performs only aerobic exercise (no strength training). The other person performs only strength training (no direct aerobics). Assuming all things being equal the person with the added muscle mass will have a higher resting metabolic rate than the person doing aerobics only.

I never said that he should stop the weight lifting, I was just saying I thought a little more aerobic at the beginning of his quest to lose weight might help him lose weight in the beginning, especially if he's just trying to lose weight and not build muscle.

I wasn't arguing against doing the cardio, just pointing out that your statement that wight-lifting doesn't burn alot of calories is incorrect, or maybe at least left open to misinterpretation.

Besides what was stated by Rudee, it is also known that anaerobic exercise burns calories for a much longer duration than aerobic.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Sounds like you need more cardio. Burn more calories. Weight-lifting doesn't really burn a lot of calories, afaik.

amish

Should have stopped with your first post, which was quit accurate.

As for this post, it has been scientifically proven more than once that anaerobic exercise burns more calories in the long run than aerobic.

Is this guy wrong then?

According to this... 10 minutes of weight lifting = 52 calories. 10 minutes of jogging burns 106.

amish

In the long run, strength training wins. If you take two people, give them identical diets, however one person performs only aerobic exercise (no strength training). The other person performs only strength training (no direct aerobics). Assuming all things being equal the person with the added muscle mass will have a higher resting metabolic rate than the person doing aerobics only.

I never said that he should stop the weight lifting, I was just saying I thought a little more aerobic at the beginning of his quest to lose weight might help him lose weight in the beginning, especially if he's just trying to lose weight and not build muscle.

I wasn't arguing against doing the cardio, just pointing out that your statement that wight-lifting doesn't burn alot of calories is incorrect, or maybe at least left open to misinterpretation.

Besides what was stated by Rudee, it is also known that anaerobic exercise burns calories for a much longer duration than aerobic.

A point (if it hasn't already been made): Burning calories is not enough if you want to lose fat. You have to burn fat stores, and to do so requires 20 minutes+ of cardio at your target heart rate.

 

[Paulson]

Please read this so we can get it straightened out...

Originally posted by: Paulson
ok, responding to your post sid...

1. I want to lost the fat... you're right... I'm not worried about the weight, because muscle will weight more than fat.
2. I do 30 minutes of cardio on a exercise machine, I don't know what it's called but it burns the calories... at least 500 calories per 1/2 hour and I run the mile
3. I usually don't... I try to workout 30-40 minutes after I eat...