World’s Fastest Supercomputer Now Has Chinese Chip Technology

jhu

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That's what happens when you put in export restrictions: the homegrown stuff gets to flourish.
 

daxzy

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I'll believe it exists when there is a third party that verifies the benchmarks.
 

hawtdawg

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im curious about their fab technology. Anyone have any ideas on how it compares to TSMC/Glofo/Samsung/Intel?
 

Burpo

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" the newer HPCG benchmark, which was put together by Jack Dongarra and colleagues to collect better data movement metrics that better reflect the needs of real world applications, shows this new system lagging far behind its companions in the top ten of the Top 500 supercomputer list.

In the results below, take a look at the percent of peak performance on HPCG. Other machines are getting around 2 percent, but this system gets only 0.3 percent–a very low rating that shows moving data through the hierarchy is very expensive and will limit performance."

http://www.nextplatform.com/2016/06/20/look-inside-chinas-chart-topping-new-supercomputer/
 

FrankRamiro

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us export rules are ignorant and counter-productive

Keep voting for Hillary the Establishment and nothing will change,will even be worse, but i guess Americans rather have the Chinese take over all American business than Vote for Trump that advertises a change how American manufacturing will be conduct rather then keep selling out to Chinese.


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" the newer HPCG benchmark, which was put together by Jack Dongarra and colleagues to collect better data movement metrics that better reflect the needs of real world applications, shows this new system lagging far behind its companions in the top ten of the Top 500 supercomputer list.

In the results below, take a look at the percent of peak performance on HPCG. Other machines are getting around 2 percent, but this system gets only 0.3 percent–a very low rating that shows moving data through the hierarchy is very expensive and will limit performance."

http://www.nextplatform.com/2016/06/20/look-inside-chinas-chart-topping-new-supercomputer/

From same article:

In the results below, take a look at the percent of peak performance on HPCG. Other machines are getting around 2 percent, but this system gets only 0.3 percent–a very low rating that shows moving data through the hierarchy is very expensive and will limit performance.

Oh, but those Gordon Bell prize submissions.

“The fact that they have three finalists for the Gordon Bell award is a big deal. It’s a high point for any system or application,” Dongarra tells The Next Platform. “Most applications that run at that level run close to ‘at scale’ using almost all the processors. And this is capable of running nearly at scale. It is not just a stunt machine and these results are impressive and should be taken seriously.”




In short, while there were many in the supercomputing set who claimed the Chinese “Tianhe-1” and its follow-on Tianhe-2 machines were “stunt” systems to some degree (designed to do a few things well application wise, but also to exploit sheer floating point potential), that same thing cannot be said of the new system.
 

MongGrel

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Keep voting for Hillary the Establishment and nothing will change,will even be worse, but i guess Americans rather have the Chinese take over all American business than Vote for Trump that advertises a change how American manufacturing will be conduct rather then keep selling out to Chinese.

Keep the politics out of the tech forums please.

+1
 

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Part of the leap ahead for chinese chips is the fact they dont have to incorporate common core math into the equation to be figured, resulting in a superior chip
 

mxnerd

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Here is Dr. Jack Dongarra's (University of Tennessee / Oak Ridge National Laboratory) paper about the Sunway TaihuLight System.

http://www.netlib.org/utk/people/JackDongarra/PAPERS/sunway-report-2016.pdf


Jack Dongarra has been involved since the origin and formation of the TOP500 list in 1993, which used his Linpack benchmark as the common application for evaluating the performance of supercomputers. Through the consistent use of the Linpack benchmark, the TOP500 list provides a standardized measure of supercomputers over the past 20 years.

http://www.top500.org/project/authors/jack-dongarra/
 
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dark zero

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Keep the politics out of the tech forums please.

Sadly this kind of topics we can't separate politics and technology since HPC is strategyc to the governments.

Obviously that kind of politics can't be accepted, but every tech has a country that fully supports them.
 

aigomorla

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Will

It

Run

Crysis?

for 3 min probably before it burns in a nuclear furance.


im with what another member has said.
Until we have real test results with real data, and not something censored by the great firewall of china, i would take it with a heavy grain of salt.
 

zlejedi

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Which foundry makes them ? Do we know anything about what kind of production process they use?
 
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