World Financial Group pyramid scam

brainhulk

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S.O. finally caved and let her aunt come to our house to make her pitch under the guise of financial planning. The pitch - ditch your 401k and invest all that money into life insurance!! (that is invested into mutual funds). $1200/month for 1 million dollar coverage...hahahahahahahahhaha. LOL, who the fuck is dumb enough to do that? /sigh oh well, just wasted one hr of my time.
 

FleshLight

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Whole/universal life is not a scam but is probably not recommended for ~99% of the people that Transamerica pitches it to.
 

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Lifer
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S.O. finally caved and let her aunt come to our house to make her pitch under the guise of financial planning. The pitch - ditch your 401k and invest all that money into life insurance!! (that is invested into mutual funds). $1200/month for 1 million dollar coverage...hahahahahahahahhaha. LOL, who the fuck is dumb enough to do that? /sigh oh well, just wasted one hr of my time.

hahahahahaha

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I hope you didn't laugh in their faces like that. Happy wife happy life. I'm not saying you should take that horribad deal but you should be nice about turning it down. You don't want your S.O. and her aunt taking out that Life Insurance policy out on you and they then have an "accident" happen to you. You wouldn't be the first.
 

kranky

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It actually is a worthwhile method of financial planning




...for the salesperson's retirement.
 

gururu2

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It actually is a worthwhile method of financial planning
...for the salesperson's retirement.

yes no kidding. we have a friend who got into the business and the first thing he did was try to get all his friends and family as clients. we didn't do it but he did reveal to us that he got 50k in life insurance for every person he sold a policy to.
 

kranky

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yes no kidding. we have a friend who got into the business and the first thing he did was try to get all his friends and family as clients. we didn't do it but he did reveal to us that he got 50k in life insurance for every person he sold a policy to.

Are you saying his employer increased your friend's life insurance coverage by $50K for each policy your friend sold? That's really no compensation at all. Especially since it probably goes away as soon as your friend quits (and the vast majority of new insurance agents do).

Owning an insurance agency has to be a gold mine. Hire new people on commission, they guilt-trip friends and family to buy policies, new hires realize after that initial surge of sales that it gets real tough, and quit. Agency owner takes over the policies and reaps the ongoing commissions.
 

overst33r

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The first year of premiums are basically the salesman's commission. Very little gets invested.

Stay away from whole life insurance. Buy term life insurance if you need it.
 

edro

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Are they actually proposing you withdraw your 401k early to put into like insurance, or that you stop 401k now and all future proceeds go to life insurance?
 

brainhulk

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Are they actually proposing you withdraw your 401k early to put into like insurance, or that you stop 401k now and all future proceeds go to life insurance?

stop 401k now and put into life insurance. i wanted to say gtfo as soon as she said that, but I'm too nice...and just smirked a little
 

ultimatebob

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stop 401k now and put into life insurance. i wanted to say gtfo as soon as she said that, but I'm too nice...and just smirked a little

I'd have some fun with that question, and ask her how the life insurance company is going to make up to 50% contribution match that my company's 401k plan offers. That oughta make her squirm for a bit
 

momeNt

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Yea, what happens when the 401K company goes broke and needs your money? They can't take it if World Financial Group has it all right?

Smirk all you want, but unless your money is in gold bars, I don't think you have really earned the right to smirk.
 

Pulsar

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Yea, what happens when the 401K company goes broke and needs your money? They can't take it if World Financial Group has it all right?

Smirk all you want, but unless your money is in gold bars, I don't think you have really earned the right to smirk.

What the heck are you talking about?

401K's are held in a trust separate from any company - it's federal law. They are inviolate, even if the company goes bankrupt.

Gold bars? Wow.
 

Ns1

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Owning an insurance agency has to be a gold mine. Hire new people on commission, they guilt-trip friends and family to buy policies, new hires realize after that initial surge of sales that it gets real tough, and quit. Agency owner takes over the policies and reaps the ongoing commissions.

Time to research this.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Whole/universal life is not a scam but is probably not recommended for ~99% of the people that Transamerica pitches it to.

Universal life IS a scam if you think you're getting the illustrated returns. It is only not a scam if you get secondary guarantee UL and plan on never accumulating cash value. I'd also recommend you be fairly old to even consider that, since the guarantee is a company, not government guarantee.

UL is essentially term insurance you pay more for having the flexibility to pay whatever and whenever you want. The caveat is that if you pay too little or too late the coverage decreases or goes away.

There are periods of time when you can get a good deal on NLPGUL, but the last was about 8-9 years ago, and I do not foresee one coming up any time soon with interest rates in the toilet.

Whole life can be a perfectly fine way of accumulating tax-deferred cash so long as you buy it on a commision-minimized and death benefit-minimized basis. Unfortunately these deals are hard to find. They are offered only by mutual insurance companies whose reps are not even told the policy structure exists.

The death benefit should be minimized to avoid paying for term insurance you don't need (whole life policies are a blend of term insurance and paid-up additions).

Someone made a comment that the first year commission on a whole life policy accounts for the majority of the first year premium. This is true in 9999 out of 10000 cases, but it doesn't have to be if you know where and how to get a policy.

As far as the OP is concerned, he is right to run away from his SO's auntie's pitch. However the general scheme is sound if it is set up properly with the correct product. Certainly NOT some Transamerica garbage UL though!!!

The plan requires a large capitalization period (at least 7 years), with a large cash inflow. After that the ability to borrow from yourself tax free will outweigh any any advantages of 401k. Companies only match up to maximum, so advice would be to set aside the minimum into 401k that gets the max match, and use the rest to purchase COMMISSION-MINIMIZED WHOLE LIFE from a MUTUAL life carrier NOT a stock company. Pay on an annual basis, never monthly.

How do you know the policy your buying is commission-minimized? Learn to read life insurance illustrations. The first year cash value will be close to the first annual premium amount. Most will show almost zero first year cash value; avoid these.

Imagine buying your own home with cash that you borrow from yourself. $20k/year for 7 years could accomplish this. Most people could easily do that on their own.
 
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jagec

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What the heck are you talking about?

401K's are held in a trust separate from any company - it's federal law. They are inviolate, even if the company goes bankrupt.

Gold bars? Wow.

It's a joke, man, it's a joke...


at least I hope so
 
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