World may not be warming, say scientists

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You're being sarcastic, but this is true. If we can cut our emissions, the earth will indeed recapture the excess carbon. The problem is that we're currently putting it out much faster than the earth can recapture it, and becaues of all the feedback in the system, the effects are magnified.

On the other hand, why do I bother?

well if it's possible to be neutral then we will eventually run out of co2 to put into the air and then the planet would reabsorb it in some way and we would be neutral in the long run. if that's the case then everything's cool right? i mean as long as we're neutral in the long run.
 

Throckmorton

Lifer
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so you being a geologist means we should believe you when you talk about cosmic rays? i liked "i work in the oil industry" better. having actually worked in the oil industry i don't believe you

I'm a geographer, not a geologist. I'm no expert on cosmic rays, but I happen to know they vary on an 11 year cycle.
 
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werepossum

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Man, you climate change deniers need to get on the stick, and claim some of your Exxon cash:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/08/exxon-and-the-climate-fight/

Assuming you're doing this for free, of course.
The side denying climate change appears to be those pushing Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming. Your side would have us accept that climate was stabilized at some ideal temperature, notably the Little Ice Age, and then mankind (specifically capitalism, white people, and Americans in increasing order of guilt) came along and threw everything out of whack. But the LIA was NOT an ideal temperature, at least not for people, as life became much harder during that time. Starting a graph at the end of the Little Ice Age is pure sophistry, as is denying the Medieval Warm Period (a much better time to be a human from a climate perspective.) Both were solidly established in science before it became politically expedient to pretend they didn't exist in order to push CAGW. Now many people (like me) are increasingly skeptical of anything the pro-CAGW crowd publishes because of the plethora of frauds uncovered. A theory that is universally accepted shouldn't need to resort to such tactics as intentionally losing data, stacking the deck on peer review (as if anything can be peer reviewed without the underlying data), and model outputs.

And contributions by Big Oil are vanishingly small compared to those by Big Government.
 
Nov 30, 2006
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The thing is, I DO have a clue what I'm talking about. I'm a geographer and this IS my field. I've debunked talking point after talking point. You're some internet yahoo who gets his information from climate change denier websites that quote non-peer reviewed papers and purposely misrepresent real phenomena. You're SO deluded that you're willing to dispute the known physical properties of a gas!
Then...you sir...are one dumbass geographer. It appears that you're ill-equipped to understand the subject matter and, unfortunately, too ignorant to understand the limitations of your education. I don't know where you went to school...but you might want to ask for your money back.
 

DealMonkey

Lifer
Nov 25, 2001
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and then mankind (specifically capitalism, white people, and Americans in increasing order of guilt) came along and threw everything out of whack.

That is the stupidest crap I've seen posted in quite a long time. Congrats. Enjoy your straw man dude, because nobody but you is saying that. And it pretty much destroys whatever idiotic point you were trying to make.
 

Genx87

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That is the stupidest crap I've seen posted in quite a long time. Congrats. Enjoy your straw man dude, because nobody but you is saying that. And it pretty much destroys whatever idiotic point you were trying to make.

Outside of the white people jab why are the old reds like the new greens? And why is the carbon credit industry expanding?????
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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I do so enjoy these discussions on the Cult of Man-Made Global Warming. On one side, you have the leftist eco-kooks regurgitating Algore and IPCC talking points, screaming at the top of their lungs that "the science is settled" and launching personal attacks at those heathen "deniers". On the other side, you have those on the fence about the issue or who are downright skeptical at all of the cooked man-made global warming "science" and widespread corruption that is being increasingly revealed every day. Many are rightfully (and smartly) cautious about spending trillions of dollars and transforming our economy simply based on "science" that is being shown to be incredibly fraudulent and politicized.

When the skeptical side (hereto referred to as the Sane side) asks questions about the data and provides counter-points against what the "mainstream consensus" about AGW is, they are promptly battered over the head by the True Believers with the same Algore/IPCC propaganda that has been questioned and/or disputed on numerous occasions. Oh, and of course, they are insulted, derided and promptly dismissed by the AGW cultists. Always with the insults and quick dismissal. Saul Alinksy tactics 101: deflect and destroy the opposition.

I love it.

PS - Oh, and let us not forget about all the "crises" and "catastrophes" that we've been hearing from the AGW cult for years. Weren't we all supposed to be dead in the 70's? No wait, the 80's! No wait, the 90's! No wait, this time is for real!!! We need to act swiftly and decisevly at Copenhagen or ALL HOPE IS LOST AND WE ARE DOOMED!

DOOOOOOOOM!
 
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RyanPaulShaffer

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There has been no global warming since 1995

He says 15 years, you say a month. Guess we're still waiting for reality to set in.

Yeah, and also gotta love his example to make us look "foolish", yet how many eco-kooks were using Katrina as absolute proof of Global Climate Catastrophe!!! KATRINA PROVES MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL! That is all you heard from state-run media. Hypocrisy at its finest.
 

jpeyton

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Doesn't matter if the weather is warming, cooling, or staying the same. If we continue to shit on the environment at our current pace, our grandchildren will suffer for it. That's undeniable.

The anti-global-warming wingnuts can't provide a single good reason why we shouldn't:

1) adopt renewable energy (wind, solar, hydro)
2) adopt clean(er) energy sources (nuclear, clean coal)
3) reduce fossil fuel consumption
4) etc.

I know we can't adopt everything overnight. But we can't expect technologies to get cheaper unless we slowly adopt them at some level right now and ramp up.
 
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HumblePie

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There has been no global warming since 1995

He says 15 years, you say a month. Guess we're still waiting for reality to set in.

You know, I'm all for a cleaner man kind. A nicer environment, cleaner land, air, and water and greener technology. I recycle, I ride a bike, and drive a small car. I pay extra for "green" energy solutions, update my appliances, lightbulbs, and other devices to more energy efficient ones. I support solar, wind, geo, water, and nuclear energy programs.

Yet, I still somewhat dislike the tactics of the CAWG and Gore and his cronies. Because of that, whenever I read an article such as the one above a part of me wants to go "NEENER NEENER NEENER!" and be done with it. It may be that immature part of me, but when I keep reading "deniers and skeptics are dumbasses" posted every other post, I build up a bit of resentment for wanting actual proof before believing in something that not everyone agrees on who are suppose to be the experts.
 
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Doesn't matter if the weather is warming, cooling, or staying the same. If we continue to shit on the environment at our current pace, our grandchildren will suffer for it. That's undeniable.

The anti-global-warming wingnuts can't provide a single good reason why we shouldn't:

1) adopt renewable energy (wind, solar, hydro)
2) adopt clean(er) energy sources (nuclear, clean coal)
3) reduce fossil fuel consumption
4) etc.

I know we can't adopt everything overnight. But we can't expect technologies to get cheaper unless we slowly adopt them at some level right now and ramp up.
Just exactly who are these 'anti-global-warming wingnuts' here that are against renewable energy, cleaner energy and reduced fossil fuel consumption? I think you're confused.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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You know, I'm all for a cleaner man kind. A nicer environment, cleaner land, air, and water and greener technology. I recycle, I ride a bike, and drive a small car.

Ditto.

Yet, I still somewhat dislike the tactics of the CAWG and Gore and his cronies. Because of that, whenever I read an article such as the one above a part of me wants to go "NEENER NEENER NEENER!" and be done with it. It may be that immature part of me, but when I keep reading "deniers and skeptics are dumbasses" posted every other post, I build up a bit of resentment for wanting actual proof before believing in something that not everyone agrees on who are suppose to be the experts.

Another excellent point. This is the hostile resistance we meet at every turn. Since we aren't all for extreme government take-over and control to "save us from ourselves", since we want actual debate to get the facts straight instead of just accepting that "the science is settled!", we are derided and dismissed by the eco-kooks and Algore worshipers.
 

woolfe9999

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There has been no global warming since 1995

He says 15 years, you say a month. Guess we're still waiting for reality to set in.

It's not what he said. He actually said the data is close, but not quite, at a 95% statistical confidence level. There is already another thread on this topic and I suspect you already know this.

I have to wonder why the so-called "sane" side of this debate feels the need to constantly rely on misinformation and misrepresentations. If you are all so sane, I'd think you'd be committed to sticking to the truth.

- wolf
 

Amused

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Apr 14, 2001
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Doesn't matter if the weather is warming, cooling, or staying the same. If we continue to shit on the environment at our current pace, our grandchildren will suffer for it. That's undeniable.

The anti-global-warming wingnuts can't provide a single good reason why we shouldn't:

1) adopt renewable energy (wind, solar, hydro)
2) adopt clean(er) energy sources (nuclear, clean coal)
3) reduce fossil fuel consumption
4) etc.

I know we can't adopt everything overnight. But we can't expect technologies to get cheaper unless we slowly adopt them at some level right now and ramp up.

I am not against a single one of those issues. I am just not willing to have my energy rates and prices on things like food and goods shoot sky high because one or all are not yet ready for prime time.

Once you find an economically VIABLE alternative to fossil fuels, I will be one of the first adopters. I want a car that has the range, power and space of my gasoline powered sedan. Give me that at an affordable price and I'll jump on it.

While we're at it, give me a VIABLE affordable alternative to incandescent light bulbs and I'll jump on that too. CFLs suck for most applications and good LED lights are just too expensive.

I'm all for trading in our coal and NG power plant for Nuclear. We HAVE a viable option for power yet refuse to use it because of irrational fear. Once other "renewable" sources of power become truly viable, I'm all for adopting them. But NOT at the cost of my standard of living.

However, it is plainly obvious that MMGW is being used to restrict freedoms, and tax people unfairly through a now obviously manufactured "emergency."

There has been an element of the left that is anti-industrial and anti-capitalst and MMGW is a perfect way for them to push these ideologies.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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I am not against a single one of those issues. I am just not willing to have my energy rates and prices on things like food and goods shoot sky high because one or all are not yet ready for prime time.

Once you find an economically VIABLE alternative to fossil fuels, I will be one of the first adopters. I want a car that has the range, power and space of my gasoline powered sedan. Give me that at an affordable price and I'll jump on it.

While we're at it, give me a VIABLE affordable alternative to incandescent light bulbs and I'll jump on that too. CFLs suck for most applications and good LED lights are just too expensive.

I'm all for trading in our coal and NG power plant for Nuclear. We HAVE a viable option for power yet refuse to use it because of irrational fear. Once other "renewable" sources of power become truly viable, I'm all for adopting them. But NOT at the cost of my standard of living.

However, it is plainly obvious that MMGW is being used to restrict freedoms, and tax people unfairly through a now obviously manufactured "emergency."

There has been an element of the left that is anti-industrial and anti-capitalst and MMGW is a perfect way for them to push these ideologies.

I think this is an excellent summary of the mindset of most people in the US. They don't understand global warming, and they don't want to because of the potential implication that they will have to make changes to their lifestyle.

This is why whenever any climate scientist says something that can be interpreted as global warming skepticism, it hits the newspapers in 48 point font, and it creates an environment where it's impossible for scientists to share and publish information because they're afraid that whatever they say will be twisted and tortured to fit the denier agenda.

"NOT at the cost of my standard of living"

What is this the 80's? Are we back to celebrating selfishness?
 
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