World's most unhappy lottery winner

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zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
36,041
472
126
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: halik
That's what happens when you give idiots money. They should just make a rule that if you can't pass a basic personal finance test, you have to take the payment plan.

If someone gave me $16M net of tax, I don't think I'd have to work for the rest of my life.
Shit I'm up 23% '08 and ~16% YTD with just contrarian equity plays... MVE optimized portfolio with some ~25% actively managed allocation (5% by meself) should yield good 10% annually... I'd be set for life.

A lot of people do take the payment plan, then sell it to a company for a lump sum payment.

It'd be better to take a lump sum cus you can either invest it or just put it in many different high yield savings than just get the payments and not getting any interest on any of it.

It'd be interesting to do the math. Taking the lump sum really cuts into your winnings.

With a 16mil jackpot, you would get a 5.5mil lump sum after taxes. Or you could take ~$367,000 a year for 30 years, which is over 11 million.

5million at 5% over 30years is over 21million.

Always better to take the lump sum unless you really can;t trust yourself and even then you can sell the annuity.

Do you have a surefire way to make 5% annually?

Well add some investments and you can make which would be more than 5% long term. I would take the lump and invest most of it in low risk stuff and that should set someone for the rest of their lives. Buy a house, money there. Buy some land and build apartments/condos, money there. There are so many ways to make $$$ it's crazy then to just let it sit somewhere and not make anything off of it.
 

Pheran

Diamond Member
Apr 26, 2001
5,740
35
91
Originally posted by: Eli
So basically he's an idiot.

No sympathy.

I have to agree. Why can't I win $16 million instead of dumbasses like this?
 

olds

Elite Member
Mar 3, 2000
50,071
744
126
Originally posted by: slayer202
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Here ya go JS80...

http://www.nc-educationlottery.org/faqs.aspx#36

Q: If I should win a large top prize, do I have the option of remaining anonymous with regard to the media and the public?
A: The NCEL will consider a winner?s name, city/county, and the prize amount a matter of public record, unless the winner produces a valid protective order or Address Confidentiality Program authorization card.

last month when there was a big powerball jackpot I was looking on their website and a good amount of the big prizes were claimed by various law? firms. They were all LLC companies with names like JFH, FJS, all 3 letter initials lol. weird

I'd call mine, FTW.
 

Baked

Lifer
Dec 28, 2004
36,052
17
81
Originally posted by: zerocool84
If I win the lottery (which will never happen), I'm hiring an accountant so he can steal all my money behind my back.

Fixed.
 

MrMatt

Banned
Mar 3, 2009
3,905
7
0
Originally posted by: sygyzy
I wouldn't tell anyone I won, even my family.

ditto. I wouldn't tell a damn person. I'd start getting nice things, like a new car for my mom...but no one would know about the lottery.
 

nerp

Diamond Member
Dec 31, 2005
9,865
105
106
I'd quit my job, daytrade, work out, work in the garden, paint, write and make love. 16 million could finance quite a solid homestead.
 

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
21,204
66
91
Originally posted by: sygyzy
I wouldn't tell anyone I won, even my family.


I believe in Michigan the names of winners are published so as to prove that the lottery isn't a sham. I have to think the rules are pretty much the same everywhere.


Lottery Commissioner: We have a winner, but they have chosen to stay anonymous.
*Commissioner gets into gold plated limo and it drives off*
 

RaistlinZ

Diamond Member
Oct 15, 2001
7,470
9
91
Originally posted by: edro
Originally posted by: sygyzy
I wouldn't tell anyone I won, even my family.
Uh... how would you explain the new house and new cars?

Don't have to explain shit, just move outta the country, change your phone number, and buy a huge house on some random tropical island.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
37,562
9
81
Originally posted by: hiromizu
I have a crazy ex who'd claim that her baby is mine and will do anything to get a piece. Nightmares..shivers.

You have a problem with people owning guns, clearly you have a problem owning a dick. Please turn your dick in at your nearest police station.
 

scruffypup

Senior member
Feb 3, 2006
371
0
0
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: chuckywang
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: halik
That's what happens when you give idiots money. They should just make a rule that if you can't pass a basic personal finance test, you have to take the payment plan.

If someone gave me $16M net of tax, I don't think I'd have to work for the rest of my life.
Shit I'm up 23% '08 and ~16% YTD with just contrarian equity plays... MVE optimized portfolio with some ~25% actively managed allocation (5% by meself) should yield good 10% annually... I'd be set for life.

A lot of people do take the payment plan, then sell it to a company for a lump sum payment.

It'd be better to take a lump sum cus you can either invest it or just put it in many different high yield savings than just get the payments and not getting any interest on any of it.

It'd be interesting to do the math. Taking the lump sum really cuts into your winnings.

With a 16mil jackpot, you would get a 5.5mil lump sum after taxes. Or you could take ~$367,000 a year for 30 years, which is over 11 million.

5million at 5% over 30years is over 21million.

Always better to take the lump sum unless you really can;t trust yourself and even then you can sell the annuity.

Do you have a surefire way to make 5% annually?

Well add some investments and you can make which would be more than 5% long term. I would take the lump and invest most of it in low risk stuff and that should set someone for the rest of their lives. Buy a house, money there. Buy some land and build apartments/condos, money there. There are so many ways to make $$$ it's crazy then to just let it sit somewhere and not make anything off of it.

Lump sum is NOT always better,...

First of all you need to consider you won't always get a set percentage annually,... whether it is stocks, bonds, real estate, what ever, there is no guarantee,... you might be too conservative to make up the difference, since the second is invested by the Lottery in an annuity with guaranteed rates of interest to guarantee the payments,... you would have to beat that rate of return and have low enough risk to make it almost a guarantee,... which generally at best makes this about the same as the annual payments in the long run

Second,... if you take the annual payments,.. you still have a lot each year you can invest and that is not being taken into account either, you might be more aggressive with extra money to invest this way since you have a guaranteed 30 years of payments

Third,... it all depends on what types of investments each year for both methods,... and tax rates each year which can change a lot over 30 years,.... what types of return you are paid on the investments,... dividends and interest are taxed higher (tend to be lower risk) than long term capital gains for instance (tend to be higher risk), there could be ways to keep taxes minimal with the lump sum and pay less taxes in the long run,.. but again,... at what tradeoff to guaranteed payments, and possibly less money overall in long run,...

Lump sum generally involves more risk to get the same in the long run, which means you could end up with much less, but possibly much more,....

30 years of a guaranteed amount (which you can invest a lot each year and have that grow just like lump sum) is very attractive to many,... especially those older with less chance of getting back into workplace if a quick and sudden loss of wealth requires one to do so with the lump sum option!!!

Edit: you also assumed in your calculation that you didn't spend any of the 5 million earning 5% over 30 years,... take into consideration a reasonable amount for living and taxes each year, invest the extra on each side and then you will see the numbers are much much closer,... however there is still more variables like I alluded to above,... yearly returns and tax rates aren't going to hold steady,... say if you put it all in stocks and had a 10% loss of the 5 million the first year,... then averaged 5% after that,... and do the same with the annuity payments,...etc, etc, etc
 

hiromizu

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2007
3,405
1
0
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: hiromizu
I have a crazy ex who'd claim that her baby is mine and will do anything to get a piece. Nightmares..shivers.

You have a problem with people owning guns, clearly you have a problem owning a dick. Please turn your dick in at your nearest police station.

Excuse me but my little dick saves and creates lives, guns do not.
 

episodic

Lifer
Feb 7, 2004
11,088
2
81
I'd immediately disappear. . .

One of those small island nations that you can buy citizenship in. . .


Place money in swiss account. . .


Live life not ever worrying again. ..

 

hiromizu

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2007
3,405
1
0
Originally posted by: episodic
I'd immediately disappear. . .

One of those small island nations that you can buy citizenship in. . .


Place money in swiss account. . .


Live life not ever worrying again. ..

That whole Swiss account thing may not fly with the IRS these days.
 

WaTaGuMp

Lifer
May 10, 2001
21,207
2,506
126
I am gonna try playing the lottery tomorrow, maybe some scratchers and one of the others, lets see if talking about it here brings me some good luck.
 

darkxshade

Lifer
Mar 31, 2001
13,749
6
81
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
I am gonna try playing the lottery tomorrow, maybe some scratchers and one of the others, lets see if talking about it here brings me some good luck.

Nope but apparently it did manage to decrease your critical thinking since you're now going to buy a ticket.
 

Hacp

Lifer
Jun 8, 2005
13,923
2
81
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
I am gonna try playing the lottery tomorrow, maybe some scratchers and one of the others, lets see if talking about it here brings me some good luck.

Thanks for financing our roads and bridges. Please play again.
 

wiredspider

Diamond Member
Jun 3, 2001
5,239
0
0
Certain states allow the winners to stay anonymous and I would always take the lump sum. If you die, I don't think they pay anymore and there is always the possibility of them stopping the payments for whatever reason...
 

WaTaGuMp

Lifer
May 10, 2001
21,207
2,506
126
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
I am gonna try playing the lottery tomorrow, maybe some scratchers and one of the others, lets see if talking about it here brings me some good luck.

Thanks for financing our roads and bridges. Please play again.

Say what, you are in NY I am in Cali, I cant even finance your kickass pizza.
 

JMapleton

Diamond Member
Nov 19, 2008
4,179
2
81
Originally posted by: episodic
I'd immediately disappear. . .

One of those small island nations that you can buy citizenship in. . .


Place money in swiss account. . .


Live life not ever worrying again. ..

By US Law, if you have more than $2m and you wish to forfeit your citizenship you will still have to pay taxes to the US 10 years after leaving the US. If you refuse, you can still be arrested in most foreign countries (this used to not be the case) and sent back to the United States.

I have read a lot about this subject. The best thing to do is leave the US while you're poor and then make money. St Kitts and Nevis being the best option for buying citizenship. Also, Switzerland is not the tax haven it used to be, they broke most of their neutral treaties and have complied with the EU and US's attempts to crack down on tax cheats. I wouldn't even call it a tax haven anymore.
 

ModerateRepZero

Golden Member
Jan 12, 2006
1,572
5
81
I think of myself as a simple guy but I would certainly donate a good sum of it to charity to reduce the number of people looking for handouts and after setting aside some for comfortable housing and security (mo money = mo headaches) stash the rest in some blind trust, bank, investment option (or a combination of the three)
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
27,703
11
81
Originally posted by: halik
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: halik
That's what happens when you give idiots money. They should just make a rule that if you can't pass a basic personal finance test, you have to take the payment plan.

If someone gave me $16M net of tax, I don't think I'd have to work for the rest of my life.
Shit I'm up 23% '08 and ~16% YTD with just contrarian equity plays... MVE optimized portfolio with some ~25% actively managed allocation (5% by meself) should yield good 10% annually... I'd be set for life.

A lot of people do take the payment plan, then sell it to a company for a lump sum payment.

Yeah,
but you might as well tattoo stupid on your forehead. The discount rate the lotto uses will be lower than third party securitization.

I know, but that's kind of my point. You said that idiots should take the payment plan. I said the idiots that did that would further prove their idiocy by selling the payments off for a lump sum, become worse off, then blow it all on stupid shit and go bankrupt again.
 

scruffypup

Senior member
Feb 3, 2006
371
0
0
Originally posted by: wiredspider
Certain states allow the winners to stay anonymous and I would always take the lump sum. If you die, I don't think they pay anymore and there is always the possibility of them stopping the payments for whatever reason...

No, it becomes part of your estate,.... so it is left to your spouse, kids, etc

In the case of no relatives, no will, then depending on the state's laws regarding estates, it could go back to the state,...but that would be rare
 
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