Worried about the PS3 fate..

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
ps3 is going to sell twice the number of consoles and 360 and wii combined just like ps2 will damn near sell 3 times the gamecube and xbox combined. also it will keep selling like crazy even after xbox 3 comes out.

lol.... man youre on the same crack that Sony is on...
you guys really should share that stuff..

they floated a turd and everyone knows it but a few fanboys and them.. and latley even the fanboys been hating on it too..

slow.. shallow games... even ports of 360 games look not as good and load slower.. and are missing features.. their online service is a total joke.. nothing is linked together its the same thing they had before.. just a matchmaking service.. and they threw in an marketplace to be like MS..

i don't understand where you wanted to go with this whole statement? how can you say the system is 'a turd'? the system itself there is nothing wrong with. launch games are notoriously bad. stop trying to slander the system because its launch sucked.
the ps2 had one of the worst launch line-ups ever. some of the games looked barely better than PS1 games and yet were suffering from performance issues. this is because the developers had to get used to the system. same with PS3. no different. 360 had the same flaws.
don't comment on internet. Wii doesn't have anything that even competes. and Sony already mentioned they are working on firmware updates to fix a LOT of the issues people like to complain about. and the online system will find its place and evolve into a much better system. this is really sony's first attempt, and it won't be hard to improve upon it.
stop crying already.

and btw, im no fanboy. i own a PS3, sure... i dont need to own a 360 yet because my roomies have it (and the first game that grabbed my attention JUST launched, that's Gears of War.) i'll likely get a 360 when they get cheaper and if my roomie(s) next year don't have it. i'll probably get a Wii this summer (one of my roomies is getting one for xmas i do believe).
im simply a realist consumer, who understands companies had their own agendas. some consumers need to realize this and get their head out of their a$$ as if companies are supposed to cater to them.

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: TallBill
Blue Ray will be awesome to have in the PS3, not for its ability to play movies, but because of its 50 gb data discs. Its in place for data reasons first, and movie reasons only as a bonus. So if blueray movies never take off, who cares?

Are you serious? You're the one saying you are the one "researching" this and you think Sony's main purpose for including a Blue Ray drive in the PS3 was for data first? Um...I don't think so. Ask any industry expert and they will tell you that it is Sony's bid to win the next generation High Definition disc format wars. They saw how many people bought PS2's and used them to watch DVDs and thought the same affect would happen with the PS3. There have been a mountain of articles digging into this exact subject.

This statement along with your statement regarding the Cell processor makes me seriously doubt your "researching" capabilities.

some people look to console manufacturer's as possibly being alternative gods or something.. i look to them as being practical business machines that need to fit their own needs first. hmm, looks to me like including Blu-Ray was a damn good idea. it WILL help get the format out there because well.. nobody has a choice. all of a sudden they have a BD player. why not buy BD's now if they have the player? or if not now, once they get the prices down on the damn new releases.

Originally posted by: loup garou
Just to add some fuel to the fire:

MGS4 coming to 360?

late to the party, eh?
Konami already stated there are currently no plans to bring MGS4 to the 360. it remains PS3 exclusive. no guarantee it won't be released for 360 a year or two later as a special edition.

 

[konakona]

some people look to console manufacturer's as possibly being alternative gods or something.. i look to them as being practical business machines that need to fit their own needs first. hmm, looks to me like including Blu-Ray was a damn good idea. it WILL help get the format out there because well.. nobody has a choice. all of a sudden they have a BD player. why not buy BD's now if they have the player? or if not now, once they get the prices down on the damn new releases.

maybe it was a good idea on paper, but utterly retarted and suicidal practically speaking, if thats what delayed the release like most everyone is thinking. That of course, is unless you wanna think otherwise and suspect they had some other massive problems (devs seem to complain a lot about the sony hardware, as usual) :roll:

btw, your overly defensive stance only draws more attention than anything. I havnt throughly read every single post in this thread, but either way I didnt see anyone accusing you of being a fanboy. Now that you mentioned it, I see why you would choose to go with PS3, that only make sense. Nothing could be stupider than roomies having the same consoles Just keep in mind that probably doesnt represent a "norm" or a typical setting for the targeted demographic for the consoles. If I had to choose one and one only, I would probably pick xbox360 given the current circumstances.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
ps3 is going to sell twice the number of consoles and 360 and wii combined just like ps2 will damn near sell 3 times the gamecube and xbox combined. also it will keep selling like crazy even after xbox 3 comes out.

lol.... man youre on the same crack that Sony is on...
you guys really should share that stuff..

they floated a turd and everyone knows it but a few fanboys and them.. and latley even the fanboys been hating on it too..

slow.. shallow games... even ports of 360 games look not as good and load slower.. and are missing features.. their online service is a total joke.. nothing is linked together its the same thing they had before.. just a matchmaking service.. and they threw in an marketplace to be like MS..

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
ps3 is going to sell twice the number of consoles and 360 and wii combined just like ps2 will damn near sell 3 times the gamecube and xbox combined. also it will keep selling like crazy even after xbox 3 comes out.

That is hilarious.

quote me on it. put it in your sig. do whatever the fvck you want with that quote...but thats how its going to turn out.

 

[shortylickens]

I really love how the OP said he didnt want trolling or fanboyism, when is he obviously a troll and a fanboy.

Seriously, its hard for me to feel sorry for someone who deliberately wasted four days of his life and then whines when he cant scalp his crummy toy.

I know lots of folks love this thing and I truly hope they are happy with it, but that doesnt change the fact you bought into Sony's BS and now have to deal with it.

As for the fate of the PS3, (which was the original topic), I think it likely last long enough to lead to a PS4, and people will buy that too. And sony will stay in business and life will go on.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: VanillaH

some people look to console manufacturer's as possibly being alternative gods or something.. i look to them as being practical business machines that need to fit their own needs first. hmm, looks to me like including Blu-Ray was a damn good idea. it WILL help get the format out there because well.. nobody has a choice. all of a sudden they have a BD player. why not buy BD's now if they have the player? or if not now, once they get the prices down on the damn new releases.

maybe it was a good idea on paper, but utterly retarted and suicidal practically speaking, if thats what delayed the release like most everyone is thinking. That of course, is unless you wanna think otherwise and suspect they had some other massive problems (devs seem to complain a lot about the sony hardware, as usual) :roll:

btw, your overly defensive stance only draws more attention than anything. I havnt throughly read every single post in this thread, but either way I didnt see anyone accusing you of being a fanboy. Now that you mentioned it, I see why you would choose to go with PS3, that only make sense. Nothing could be stupider than roomies having the same consoles Just keep in mind that probably doesnt represent a "norm" or a typical setting for the targeted demographic for the consoles. If I had to choose one and one only, I would probably pick xbox360 given the current circumstances.

well nobody has, but i just wanted to put it out there.
and my roomies having other consoles was the reasoning behind me getting the PS3. I wanted the PS3 from the start. I knew there would be games I wanted, and I have been right. And I haven't looked back at the purchase as a mistake either.

as far as blu-ray goes.. sony is lying through their teeth, imo, about blu-ray having caused the delay. at least, it wasn't blu-ray alone. if they would have launched in april.. what games woulda been ready? seems like all the launch titles weren't even ready for launch, thus some of them being delayed till a month or two after launch.
i do believe there was issues with manufacturing, thus why it is still hard to get one. But it wasn't the sole reason. Well, it could have been the reason behind not being able to make dev units. So I guess it could be a cause. If they couldn't get the thousands of blue laser diodes made for the dev kits, it could cause dev's not having the games ready.
meh. who knows. all I know is Sony wants to do anything and everything to get Blu-ray to succeed. they see the royalties the companies in the DVD Forum get, and want part of it (although Sony isn't the only company, it's an association). Sony has never gone to great lengths to get their formats to succeed, and thus their formats fail.
hell, look at Toshiba. They are taking massive cuts on their HD-DVD machine to get it to sell better than Blu-Ray. If the formats are the same to the general public, then having a cheaper machine makes their format better. Thus why they are taking the cut (for the record, not sure of current machines, if Toshiba even has another machine other than the first one, as I don't follow HD-DVD... but the first machine retailed for $500, but cost close to $800 to manufacture and get out to retail. Taking a loss just to hope the thing helps the format survive. That's pretty dedicated. Too bad I don't like the format.

 

[UDT89]

its called people are finally tired of gay ass inventory shortages.

 

[RaiderJ]

It's my guess that with the ebay/craigslist prices the PS3 is going for, everyone who really wanted one has one. Everyone else was just trying to capitalize on the reselling.

That, and the Wii has everyone's attention.

 

[Tom]

"im simply a realist consumer, who understands companies had their own agendas. some consumers need to realize this and get their head out of their a$$ as if companies are supposed to cater to them. "

LOL

 

[Randum]

Originally posted by: UDT89
its called people are finally tired of gay ass inventory shortages.

Agreed. Its just frustrating and annoying, If the systems were smei-available-it would make more sense. You are telling me, that Sony and nintendo have not the faintest of how many will sell worst case scenario?? Personally I think the shortages is merely a marketing ploy to up the hype. But judging from eBay and the articles being written it looks as though Sony has shot themselves in the foot...
only time will tell..but at the end of the day, someone is making money, and thats all they care about.

 

[davew0670]

when I bought my 360, I couldnt wait to get home to set it up. Have a ps3 that is still sitting in the box 2 days later. Just not that excited about it but it was sitting there so I bought it.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
ps3 is going to sell twice the number of consoles and 360 and wii combined just like ps2 will damn near sell 3 times the gamecube and xbox combined. also it will keep selling like crazy even after xbox 3 comes out.

lol.... man youre on the same crack that Sony is on...
you guys really should share that stuff..

they floated a turd and everyone knows it but a few fanboys and them.. and latley even the fanboys been hating on it too..

slow.. shallow games... even ports of 360 games look not as good and load slower.. and are missing features.. their online service is a total joke.. nothing is linked together its the same thing they had before.. just a matchmaking service.. and they threw in an marketplace to be like MS..

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
ps3 is going to sell twice the number of consoles and 360 and wii combined just like ps2 will damn near sell 3 times the gamecube and xbox combined. also it will keep selling like crazy even after xbox 3 comes out.

That is hilarious.

quote me on it. put it in your sig. do whatever the fvck you want with that quote...but thats how its going to turn out.

People might be inclined to take you seriously if you provided any reasoning to back up your statements that fly in the face of everything we've seen so far.

 

[KoolAidKid]

I, for one, am pulling for Microsoft. My original Xbox has a permanent place in my entertainment center, thanks to the fantastic piece of software that is XBMC. It is rare that a 5-year old piece of electronics still gets daily use in my house. I realize that Microsoft had nothing to do with XBMC, but making a console that allows for easily-developed software was the essential first step.

 

[CVSiN]

And who reads Time? parents of kiddies that want the system..
Time says its a stinker.. the Devs hate writing for it....
most consumers that have bought one have suffered some sort of buyers remorse..

AND to top it all off thier hardware is over a year old before they even get started..
same gen graphics chip as a 6800 and a Cell chip that is the same relative power of the 3 core power pc chip thats in the 360..
and a useless slow blueray drive..
no thanks keep your paperweight.


TIME magazine deems PS3 a bust
Posted Dec 18th 2006 6:50PM by Blake Snow
Filed under: Culture, Sony PlayStation 3, Business
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1570831,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1570831,00.htmlTIME magazine rounds up the five "phenomena" on the year that captivated the media momentarily before ultimately going bust on the hype. The PS3 shares the not-so spotlight next to Bode Miller, Studio 60, Fox TV's canceled If I Did It program, and Snakes on a Plane as the year's biggest letdowns according to the magazine.

From the article's sub-section entitled HOW TO BLOW A HUGE LEAD in video games: "The PS3 is hideously expensive--it goes for up to $600--and Sony manufactured only a piddling few hundred thousand for the U.S., fewer for Japan. Plus it's hard to write games for; the launch titles were lame. You know you're in trouble when you get beat by something called a Wii." Sony would have to try really hard to get anymore negative press for the PS3, not to mention other facets of the company's endeavors. Can an electronics brotha get a break? Maybe a slight one if we didn't run this story...

PS3 = garbage

 

[SViper]

Ok, I hardly read any of this thread, but I'll add my experiences with local B&M stores.

I walked into Circuit City, Best Buy, and Gamestop here in town this past Sunday, when all of them would be selling their stock of consoles. I went at about 3:00pm. All stores were sold out of Wii's. All stores had at least 3 PS3's on the shelf.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: davew0670
when I bought my 360, I couldnt wait to get home to set it up. Have a ps3 that is still sitting in the box 2 days later. Just not that excited about it but it was sitting there so I bought it.

part is the PS3 is the same as the PS2 (same said with XBox but its cheaper). so many are in no hurry to get it.


odds are i will get one but only AFTER they drop down in price to say $300. yeah i am going to be waiting a while heh.

i will stick with my Wii and might get a 360 this spring.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
I, for one, am pulling for Microsoft. My original Xbox has a permanent place in my entertainment center, thanks to the fantastic piece of software that is XBMC. It is rare that a 5-year old piece of electronics still gets daily use in my house. I realize that Microsoft had nothing to do with XBMC, but making a console that allows for easily-developed software was the essential first step.

PS3 runs any PPC enabled linux distro out of the box, and Sony designed it that way. The amount of software you will be able to use on the PS3 will blow any previous console homebrew hacks out of the water. People already are using MAME and snes9x, the possibilities are endless.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: davew0670
when I bought my 360, I couldnt wait to get home to set it up. Have a ps3 that is still sitting in the box 2 days later. Just not that excited about it but it was sitting there so I bought it.

part is the PS3 is the same as the PS2 (same said with XBox but its cheaper). so many are in no hurry to get it.


odds are i will get one but only AFTER they drop down in price to say $300. yeah i am going to be waiting a while heh.

i will stick with my Wii and might get a 360 this spring.

Make that $200 for me...so I'll be waiting like 7 years...scratch that...I'll just get a Xbox 720 or whatever it will be called.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
And who reads Time? parents of kiddies that want the system..
Time says its a stinker.. the Devs hate writing for it....
most consumers that have bought one have suffered some sort of buyers remorse..

AND to top it all off thier hardware is over a year old before they even get started..
same gen graphics chip as a 6800 and a Cell chip that is the same relative power of the 3 core power pc chip thats in the 360..
and a useless slow blueray drive..
no thanks keep your paperweight.

TIME magazine deems PS3 a bust
Posted Dec 18th 2006 6:50PM by Blake Snow
Filed under: Culture, Sony PlayStation 3, Business
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1570831,00.html

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1570831,00.htmlTIME magazine rounds up the five "phenomena" on the year that captivated the media momentarily before ultimately going bust on the hype. The PS3 shares the not-so spotlight next to Bode Miller, Studio 60, Fox TV's canceled If I Did It program, and Snakes on a Plane as the year's biggest letdowns according to the magazine.

From the article's sub-section entitled HOW TO BLOW A HUGE LEAD in video games: "The PS3 is hideously expensive--it goes for up to $600--and Sony manufactured only a piddling few hundred thousand for the U.S., fewer for Japan. Plus it's hard to write games for; the launch titles were lame. You know you're in trouble when you get beat by something called a Wii." Sony would have to try really hard to get anymore negative press for the PS3, not to mention other facets of the company's endeavors. Can an electronics brotha get a break? Maybe a slight one if we didn't run this story...

PS3 = garbage

Are you a guerilla marketer? because thats the dumbest post Ive read on the PS3 all month.

Time magazine? Time magazine? :roll:

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
I, for one, am pulling for Microsoft. My original Xbox has a permanent place in my entertainment center, thanks to the fantastic piece of software that is XBMC. It is rare that a 5-year old piece of electronics still gets daily use in my house. I realize that Microsoft had nothing to do with XBMC, but making a console that allows for easily-developed software was the essential first step.

PS3 runs any PPC enabled linux distro out of the box, and Sony designed it that way. The amount of software you will be able to use on the PS3 will blow any previous console homebrew hacks out of the water. People already are using MAME and snes9x, the possibilities are endless.

Eh...not impressed. I could throw together a faster HT computer with more memory, hard drive space, and useability for $300 if not less...I don't see this as a selling point for the PS3...especially not for the normal user. Sure, when the price comes down to $150...maybe that would be enticing...but not $600.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid
I, for one, am pulling for Microsoft. My original Xbox has a permanent place in my entertainment center, thanks to the fantastic piece of software that is XBMC. It is rare that a 5-year old piece of electronics still gets daily use in my house. I realize that Microsoft had nothing to do with XBMC, but making a console that allows for easily-developed software was the essential first step.

PS3 runs any PPC enabled linux distro out of the box, and Sony designed it that way. The amount of software you will be able to use on the PS3 will blow any previous console homebrew hacks out of the water. People already are using MAME and snes9x, the possibilities are endless.

Eh...not impressed. I could throw together a faster HT computer with more memory, hard drive space, and useability for $300 if not less...I don't see this as a selling point for the PS3...especially not for the normal user. Sure, when the price comes down to $150...maybe that would be enticing...but not $600.

for $300 dollars your HTPC is not going to have a bd drive.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: randay

Time magazine? Time magazine? :roll:

The only thing arguable from that article is the "beat by Wii" comment (article does not define what being beat means). The rest of the short article was spot on. What about the writers at Time magazine excludes them from writing a decent article regarding the PS3? What do you have that they lack that gives you the ability to come to the "right" conclusion regarding the PS3? The fact that most press, especially ones in the gaming business, agree with this Time article should be clue enough for you.

What I would be rolling my eyes at is your overly sensitive fanboy tendencies.

 

[Q]

The price just needs to go down is all, then it will do OK.

The PS2 is doing really well right now actually, the new silver one is hard as hell right now to get in stores..

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: randay
for $300 dollars your HTPC is not going to have a bd drive.

For $199.99 you can add the xbox 360 HD-DVD drive to your PC.
http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/11/8303/

 

[Shlong]

No point in getting the PS3 now, unless you want a blu-ray player (which reviews show is one of the best blu-ray players). The initial launch titles suck, but I will wait for the good games like Metal Gear & Final Fantasy to come out before I know if it's a good system or not. I have an Xbox360 & it for the most part collected dust until Gears of War came out. Besides Project Gotham Racing, and Rainbow Six Vegas almost all the 360 games were pretty boring for me.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Quintox
The price just needs to go down is all, then it will do OK.

First, the manufacturing costs need to go down.

Don't expect a price drop for a good while (1-2 years).