Worst offender yet....

[GOREGRINDER]

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

t was an ATI guy trying to pick a fight with a woman

UK IT Channel is an ATI guy?

ATI and nVidia have a sort of relationship,.... the only way i can describe it is by using this analogy,....

if you call my girlfriend a bitch,.. i will put you through a wall without concern,.. why?... because im the only one that is allowed to call her a bitch

lol

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
One more thing. I really don't care what companies say about *their own* products - it's when one company talks crap about another companies product that I get offended. There is only one company in the 3d graphics arena spreading lies about the competitions products at the moment, and it has been that way long before NV40 launched...

Still the visuals present their new line as being much faster than the old one. If one is misleading than the other must be also. I get the feeling that you just don't like ati and don't let the truth get in the way. Is ok, as we all have irrational dislikes. :beer:

 

[Gstanfor]

But they aren't *nVIDIA's* visuals Ronnn....

EDIT: even if they were, another company isn't being put down, the comparisons are within the one company.

 

[Pantalaimon]

The incident would never have occured if the ATi guy hadn't been there in the first place (what was he doing at a nVIDIA event in the first place?...)

There's two incidents described in that link you provided. The one quote, that Crusader singled out in his quote and latched on, was at the end of that article describing an incident last year where some UK IT Channel guy was insulting some nVidia female staffer. Nowhere in the description of that last year's incident stating it was an nVidia event.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

The incident would never have occured if the ATi guy hadn't been there in the first place (what was he doing at a nVIDIA event in the first place?...)

There's two incidents described in that link you provided. The one quote, that Crusader singled out in his quote and latched on, was at the end of that article describing an incident last year where some UK IT Channel guy was insulting some nVidia female staffer. Nowhere in the description of that last year's incident stating it was an nVidia event.

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More info on the incident. The *article author* was *present at the time* of the incident, he's the pictured to the right in the photo...

 

[Pantalaimon]

More info on the incident. The *article author* was *present at the time* of the incident, he's the pictured to the right in the photo...

What more info? I see only only the link to the original article that you already linked to and then some back and forth banter of various posters. Anyway, I'm not disputing what is said in the article you quoted. I just find it funny that Crusader quoted a specific part of the text with the purpose of showing that ATI is insulting some nVidia people, but the part that he quoted is not actually about what he wanted to show.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
But they aren't *nVIDIA's* visuals Ronnn....

EDIT: even if they were, another company isn't being put down, the comparisons are within the one company.

So you find that type of exaggeration acceptable, but an unmarked graph printed by the inquirer is cause for derision. Your crusade would be better served with some logic.

 

[Gstanfor]

The unmarked graph (which was deemed newsworthy by the inq) has all the classic hallmarks of recent ATi propagana associated with it, deception, comparisons to the competition etc... Only a complete fool could have the slightest doubt about its origins.

 

[Pantalaimon]

The unmarked graph (which was deemed newsworthy by the inq) has all the classic hallmarks of recent ATi propagana associated with it, deception, comparisons to the competition etc...

As opposed to the classic hallmarks of nVidia's hiring AEG to have stealth marketers like Rollo who bash competition and pimp nVidia's products on various forums?

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

The unmarked graph (which was deemed newsworthy by the inq) has all the classic hallmarks of recent ATi propagana associated with it, deception, comparisons to the competition etc...

As opposed to the classic hallmarks of nVidia's hiring AEG to have stealth marketers like Rollo who bash competition and pimp nVidia's products on various forums?

1) Rollo was banned as a idrect result of that.

2) That has what, precisely to do with this thread???

Do you have a point, or are you just spouting crap, like ATi?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

The unmarked graph (which was deemed newsworthy by the inq) has all the classic hallmarks of recent ATi propagana associated with it, deception, comparisons to the competition etc...

As opposed to the classic hallmarks of nVidia's hiring AEG to have stealth marketers like Rollo who bash competition and pimp nVidia's products on various forums?

1) Rollo was banned as a idrect result of that.

2) That has what, precisely to do with this thread???

Do you have a point, or are you just spouting crap, like ATi?

and do yuo not do the same in defense of nvidia? Do yuo really think this graph would be from ATI? That they would confuse the (x)7900 with a x1900?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
The unmarked graph (which was deemed newsworthy by the inq) has all the classic hallmarks of recent ATi propagana associated with it, deception, comparisons to the competition etc... Only a complete fool could have the slightest doubt about its origins.

only YOU are saying that graph is from ATi . . . or have you found something NEW to actually link it to ATi?
:Q

the rest of us are saying it is MADE UP - FAKED - by theInq . . . it is NOT news . . . it is a JOKE . . .

you may be the worst offender. . . still here . . .

 

[Pantalaimon]

1) Rollo was banned as a idrect result of that. 2) That has what, precisely to do with this thread??? Do you have a point, or are you just spouting crap, like ATi?

My point is that neither company is clean when it comes to dirty marketing tricks. But you latching on some ATI's dirty trick and glossing over nVidia's makes it look like nVidia is some poor noble innocent company who always play fair, and its the big bad ATI who is the only one playing dirty.

 

[GOREGRINDER]

the rest of us are saying it is MADE UP - FAKED - by theInq . . . it is NOT news . . . it is a JOKE . . .

if it is a joke by the inq. its a joke at ATI's expense clearly mocking them,... either way its funny if its real or a joke,... and even if its not a joke its still a "joke":laugh:

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
if it is a joke by the inq. its a joke at ATI's expense clearly mocking them,... either way its funny if its real or a joke,... and even if its not a joke its still a "joke":laugh:

Its funny so in mind it classifes as a joke

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

1) Rollo was banned as a idrect result of that. 2) That has what, precisely to do with this thread??? Do you have a point, or are you just spouting crap, like ATi?

My point is that neither company is clean when it comes to dirty marketing tricks. But you latching on some ATI's dirty trick and glossing over nVidia's makes it look like nVidia is some poor noble innocent company who always play fair, and its the big bad ATI who is the only one playing dirty.

ATi *does* play dirty in their PR! That is the *entire* point. They have no need whatsoever to drag nVIDIA into their PR campaigns, but they do so and have done so *constantly* for years. nVIDIA on the other hand hardly ever drags ATi into its PR campaigns, and when they do, they don't exaggerate, lie or deceive.

If you can't see the difference, that's your problem, not mine...

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

1) Rollo was banned as a idrect result of that. 2) That has what, precisely to do with this thread??? Do you have a point, or are you just spouting crap, like ATi?

My point is that neither company is clean when it comes to dirty marketing tricks. But you latching on some ATI's dirty trick and glossing over nVidia's makes it look like nVidia is some poor noble innocent company who always play fair, and its the big bad ATI who is the only one playing dirty.

ATi *does* play dirty in their PR! That is the *entire* point. They have no need whatsoever to drag nVIDIA into their PR campaigns, but they do so and have done so *constantly* for years. nVIDIA on the other hand hardly ever drags ATi into its PR campaigns, and when they do, they don't exaggerate, lie or deceive.

If you can't see the difference, that's your problem, not mine...

You are joking right? As it seems that the whole point of aeg was to flame ati. Using a person that claims to be unbiased and not an employee is like super dirty. Both companies compare their product to each other and it would be strange if they didn't. Why as I remember Dave Bauman (use his name as obviously you have great respect for his site), has stated he gets emails like this from both companies. Is obvious that any company wants to present their product as best of the category. Nvidia has been known to suggest exactly how sites bench and compare cards. Both companies are dishonest when it comes to honesty versus profits. Still find it strange that the graph that started this seems to have been pretty accurate.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

1) Rollo was banned as a idrect result of that. 2) That has what, precisely to do with this thread??? Do you have a point, or are you just spouting crap, like ATi?

My point is that neither company is clean when it comes to dirty marketing tricks. But you latching on some ATI's dirty trick and glossing over nVidia's makes it look like nVidia is some poor noble innocent company who always play fair, and its the big bad ATI who is the only one playing dirty.

ATi *does* play dirty in their PR! That is the *entire* point. They have no need whatsoever to drag nVIDIA into their PR campaigns, but they do so and have done so *constantly* for years. nVIDIA on the other hand hardly ever drags ATi into its PR campaigns, and when they do, they don't exaggerate, lie or deceive.

If you can't see the difference, that's your problem, not mine...

You are joking right? As it seems that the whole point of aeg was to flame ati. Using a person that claims to be unbiased and not an employee is like super dirty. Both companies compare their product to each other and it would be strange if they didn't. Why as I remember Dave Bauman (use his name as obviously you have great respect for his site), has stated he gets emails like this from both companies. Is obvious that any company wants to present their product as best of the category. Nvidia has been known to suggest exactly how sites bench and compare cards. Both companies are dishonest when it comes to honesty versus profits. Still find it strange that the graph that started this seems to have been pretty accurate.

3 out of 4 AEG people engage in *NO* marketing wahtsoever! the 1 who did was doing so long before the nVIDIA/AEG partnership came into being. You, like Appopin, are attempting to blacken the AEG's name based on one (unpopular with other AEG members) person.

While we are on the subject, what about DigitalWanderer, jdpc (3dnow.net) and countless other ATi trolls I could name across many forums constantly spewing forth pro-ATi, anti-nVIDIA crap? Oh of course - it's only a bad thing if nVIDIA does it, ATi's allowed to.....

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

1) Rollo was banned as a idrect result of that. 2) That has what, precisely to do with this thread??? Do you have a point, or are you just spouting crap, like ATi?

My point is that neither company is clean when it comes to dirty marketing tricks. But you latching on some ATI's dirty trick and glossing over nVidia's makes it look like nVidia is some poor noble innocent company who always play fair, and its the big bad ATI who is the only one playing dirty.

ATi *does* play dirty in their PR! That is the *entire* point. They have no need whatsoever to drag nVIDIA into their PR campaigns, but they do so and have done so *constantly* for years. nVIDIA on the other hand hardly ever drags ATi into its PR campaigns, and when they do, they don't exaggerate, lie or deceive.

If you can't see the difference, that's your problem, not mine...

you can't see the difference and the problem is yours.

nVidia employs Viral Marketing . . . that is "dirty" [period] . . . Viral marketing is designed to deceive. . . . and Rollo was the eXtreme example.

 

[nib95]

By the way, does anyone else think Rolla is back as 'Fallen Angel'?

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

1) Rollo was banned as a idrect result of that. 2) That has what, precisely to do with this thread??? Do you have a point, or are you just spouting crap, like ATi?

My point is that neither company is clean when it comes to dirty marketing tricks. But you latching on some ATI's dirty trick and glossing over nVidia's makes it look like nVidia is some poor noble innocent company who always play fair, and its the big bad ATI who is the only one playing dirty.

ATi *does* play dirty in their PR! That is the *entire* point. They have no need whatsoever to drag nVIDIA into their PR campaigns, but they do so and have done so *constantly* for years. nVIDIA on the other hand hardly ever drags ATi into its PR campaigns, and when they do, they don't exaggerate, lie or deceive.

If you can't see the difference, that's your problem, not mine...

You are joking right? As it seems that the whole point of aeg was to flame ati. Using a person that claims to be unbiased and not an employee is like super dirty. Both companies compare their product to each other and it would be strange if they didn't. Why as I remember Dave Bauman (use his name as obviously you have great respect for his site), has stated he gets emails like this from both companies. Is obvious that any company wants to present their product as best of the category. Nvidia has been known to suggest exactly how sites bench and compare cards. Both companies are dishonest when it comes to honesty versus profits. Still find it strange that the graph that started this seems to have been pretty accurate.

3 out of 4 AEG people engage in *NO* marketing wahtsoever! the 1 who did was doing so long before the nVIDIA/AEG partnership came into being. You, like Appopin, are attempting to blacken the AEG's name based on one (unpopular with other AEG members) person.

While we are on the subject, what about DigitalWanderer, jdpc (3dnow.net) and countless other ATi trolls I could name across many forums constantly spewing forth pro-ATi, anti-nVIDIA crap? Oh of course - it's only a bad thing if nVIDIA does it, ATi's allowed to.....

oh really? you would know? I guess aeg is just giving away free cards for nothing? Or maybe yuo are baselessly speculating again? Putting down another companies product or brand to make yours look better is marketing.

As for ATI trolls, it is not fine but this board has been pro nvidia so long because of the numerous trolls like you that now we finally have a balance of trolling and it all of a sudden seems like the nvidia camp are now scared because they no longer have a deathhold on these forums to spew fud like you. So by your definition, you should be able to troll and abuse and specualte and spread fud on this forum as much as you want but anybody else has to play by a different set of rules?

Originally posted by: nib95
By the way, does anyone else think Rolla is back as 'Fallen Angel'?

i doubt it. Though rollo can get annoying and fanboyish and trolling, he is pretty honest when it comes to his word.

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: nib95
By the way, does anyone else think Rolla is back as 'Fallen Angel'?

i don't know but there's something about that "errr" that makes me say hmmmm....

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...did=1820445&STARTPAGE=10&enterthread=y

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

1) Rollo was banned as a idrect result of that. 2) That has what, precisely to do with this thread??? Do you have a point, or are you just spouting crap, like ATi?

My point is that neither company is clean when it comes to dirty marketing tricks. But you latching on some ATI's dirty trick and glossing over nVidia's makes it look like nVidia is some poor noble innocent company who always play fair, and its the big bad ATI who is the only one playing dirty.

ATi *does* play dirty in their PR! That is the *entire* point. They have no need whatsoever to drag nVIDIA into their PR campaigns, but they do so and have done so *constantly* for years. nVIDIA on the other hand hardly ever drags ATi into its PR campaigns, and when they do, they don't exaggerate, lie or deceive.

If you can't see the difference, that's your problem, not mine...

You are joking right? As it seems that the whole point of aeg was to flame ati. Using a person that claims to be unbiased and not an employee is like super dirty. Both companies compare their product to each other and it would be strange if they didn't. Why as I remember Dave Bauman (use his name as obviously you have great respect for his site), has stated he gets emails like this from both companies. Is obvious that any company wants to present their product as best of the category. Nvidia has been known to suggest exactly how sites bench and compare cards. Both companies are dishonest when it comes to honesty versus profits. Still find it strange that the graph that started this seems to have been pretty accurate.

3 out of 4 AEG people engage in *NO* marketing wahtsoever! the 1 who did was doing so long before the nVIDIA/AEG partnership came into being. You, like Appopin, are attempting to blacken the AEG's name based on one (unpopular with other AEG members) person.

While we are on the subject, what about DigitalWanderer, jdpc (3dnow.net) and countless other ATi trolls I could name across many forums constantly spewing forth pro-ATi, anti-nVIDIA crap? Oh of course - it's only a bad thing if nVIDIA does it, ATi's allowed to.....

oh really? you would know? I guess aeg is just giving away free cards for nothing? Or maybe yuo are baselessly speculating again? Putting down another companies product or brand to make yours look better is marketing.

As for ATI trolls, it is not fine but this board has been pro nvidia so long because of the numerous trolls like you that now we finally have a balance of trolling and it all of a sudden seems like the nvidia camp are now scared because they no longer have a deathhold on these forums to spew fud like you. So by your definition, you should be able to troll and abuse and specualte and spread fud on this forum as much as you want but anybody else has to play by a different set of rules?

Originally posted by: nib95
By the way, does anyone else think Rolla is back as 'Fallen Angel'?

i doubt it. Though rollo can get annoying and fanboyish and trolling, he is pretty honest when it comes to his word.

Please, feel free to go to B3D and bring back links to Chalnoth, Ailuros & ChrisRay marketing anything nVIDIA related (good luck with that...) While you are there, you may want to read the AEG thread, specifically, the posts they make in it.

 

[akugami]

Has anyone proven, that the graph was from ATI or is this just another opportunity to flame ATI? I asked this question in this very thread at least 2x already with this being the 3rd. However, no one has proven that the graphis from ATI. Ok, fine, let's move the argument to dirty ATI PR/marketing tactics. Guess what? Every single company on earth uses the nearly same tricks for marketing and PR purposes. Every single one of them. I don't care what they say they are all equally guilty. So to single out ATI for a graph that can't, or at least hasn't, been proven to be from ATI for dirty PR/marketing is rediculous. I don't pay too much attention to ads, but if we dig through a lot of this PR/marketing stuff we can find equally bad stuff from nVidia is what most of the more sane folks are saying. Some of you are so pro nVidia that you fail to acknowledge such even when it bites you in the rear.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVID...unchAnalysis/images/X1900Launch-14.jpg
Check the above link. It's to "leaked" internal presentation slides from nVidia. See how they compare an obviously more mature SLI configuration and say it dominates an obviously not ready for prime time Crossfire config? ATI obviously had driver issues with those games (I'm assuming ATI fixed them by now, but I don't pay too much attention to multi-GPU systems). B&W2 and Farcry was performing worse with a Crossfire config than a single card config? And nVidia had the balls to use such figures? Now, I'm not saying the graphs are showing false info because at the time, it was true with ATI's latest drivers that was how it was performing but everyone with the least bit of intelligence and follows graphic cards would realize that it was most likely a driver issue on ATI's part and that it'll be fixed (hopefully soon but that would be ATI's problem). I'd call that pretty shady right there.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVID...unchAnalysis/images/X1900Launch-24.jpg
Check bullet number 3 in the above link. If that's not one of the biggest pile of bull from nVidia I don't know what is. An outright lie IMHO.

I'm not trying to say that nVidia as a company is shady or that their products suck. I'm just saying it's a PR/marketing departments job to make the competition look like they suck. A PR/marketing department bends truths and also puts out information in such a way that it makes their company and it's products look good. That's their whole job, to make their company and it's products look better than the competition. If you're going to condemn a PR/marketing department or firm for doing what they were paid to do then you really need a clue.


Bottom line, that graph that is the center of this whole argument can't, or at least hasn't, been proven to be from ATI. Even if it's proven to be from ATI it doesn't matter much because both ATI and nVidia engage in similarly shady and misleading PR/marketing practices. To single out one company and blindly ignore the similarly shady practices of the other company is just plain bias.

 

[GOREGRINDER]

"im swiss,.."

...and seein people continuously dry humping thier radeons while thinking of rollo is pretty damn gag worthy,...