Worst Sequels (you killed the franchise I liked!)

[shortylickens]

I heard they changed quite a bit before launch, didn't know about the point system. Sounds like an interesting system.

It was also the basis for most gameplay decisions from the first day. Removing and trying to clean up the mess proved to be too difficult.

Its like if you were making baldurs gate 2 and at the last second you changed your mind and got rid of AD&D and made it into a shooter or a flight sim.

Probably wouldnt work out that well.

 

[trevor0323]

Why all the hate for Sid Meiers Railroads!? Sure the first two Railroad Tycoon games were great the third had problems, but I thought Railroads! was pretty decent. It certainly had less of the micro management from previous games but what it did have it did very well.
The actual train routing and graphics were both much improved and was all together pretty fun. I am sure a lot of those who bad mouth it played it quite a bit as well.

On that note the state of the advanced simulation genre is just horrendous. I am not even sure if we will ever see a decent railroad tycoon game again ever. How long have we been waiting now for another Rollercoaster Tycoon game as well?

 

[Arg Clin]

After playing it I don't even think it's worth it even if it was free. Aside from being a terrible game it also ruined a very promising Dragon Age franchise.

That's me though. The general consensus seems to be if you loved DA1 you'll hate DA2, and vice versa.

I agree and I'll take it one step further - it's such a mark of shame to the franchise and the universe that it should have negative value.

I suppose I fit in your theory, becuase for me DA:O stands as the best computergame experience of all times.

 

[Agent11]

Tribes:Vengeance

 

[MeldarthX]

High five! My ME and ME2 playthrough counts are around a similar number - I own both on Xbox360 and PC, with all DLCs on both platforms and finished them sooooo many times! ME3? Once. The ending killed it for me. It was insulting. Fucking Bioware, they will never ever get any money from me ever again. And I mean it.

I think ME3 "wins" for me. I don't remember being ever as upset about something in a game as ME3's ending.

Bioware has/had the perfect out with ME3 ending with Indoctriation theory......but then I honestly think Casey's igo won't let him admit he fooked up the ending badly.

I will still look at Dragon Age 3 - but I won't preorder it unless lessons really have been learned from 2.....which I do think they have and Casey also doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

 

[Red Hawk]

Bioware has/had the perfect out with ME3 ending with Indoctriation theory......but then I honestly think Casey's igo won't let him admit he fooked up the ending badly.

I will still look at Dragon Age 3 - but I won't preorder it unless lessons really have been learned from 2.....which I do think they have and Casey also doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

Indoctrination theory is not as "perfect" as people sometimes pretend it is. If Indoctrination Theory turned out to be true and BioWare released an ending which confirmed it, how would that help? It still would mean that BioWare essentially released a game without its ending. And besides, there are problems within the actual story leading up to the ending that preclude the possibility of Indoctrination Theory.

 

[Chaotic42]

I didn't particularly like Mass Effect 3's ending, but even after reading all of these posts about it, I still don't get why everyone hated it so much. It wasn't great, but it wasn't that bad.

 

[Agent11]

I really enjoyed ME3, the ending was crap though.

1: Space Ghost kid

2: I took freaking Garus and Tali with me on my suicide charge, yet they crash on a tropical planet with joker as the gates are destroyed...

3: 3 endings that could be chosen arbitrarily, not significantly impacted by gameplay, and not dissimilar from each other, it felt like an illusion of freewill exposed. It should be a sin to end a good game like that.

 

[Chaotic42]

I really enjoyed ME3, the ending was crap though.

1: Space Ghost kid

2: I took freaking Garus and Tali with me on my suicide charge, yet they crash on a tropical planet with joker as the gates are destroyed...

3: 3 endings that could be chosen arbitrarily, not significantly impacted by gameplay, and not dissimilar from each other, it felt like an illusion of freewill exposed. It should be a sin to end a good game like that.

I would like to have seen morality and choices play a part in it. I went out of my way to be a paragon (or whatever it was called). I don't know. Maybe I was just so pleased with the entire series that I can't be upset with the ending.

 

[Red Hawk]

I didn't particularly like Mass Effect 3's ending, but even after reading all of these posts about it, I still don't get why everyone hated it so much. It wasn't great, but it wasn't that bad.

Ok. Let me explain a bit.

Spoiler

The two biggest arcs in Mass Effect 3 are the Tuchanka arc and the Rannoch arc. One was about curing the krogan of the genophage and helping restore their future; the other was about fighting for the quarian homeworld (which they had been kicked out of 3 centuries ago by the geth). You [can] accomplish both these things in Mass Effect 3, achieving the hopes and dreams of your friends Wrex and Tali.

Now, all this depends on the mass relays. Without the mass relays, it takes centuries to cross the galaxy. Tali and Wrex join you in the fight on Earth to get to the Citadel. In order for them, the krogan armies, and the quarian fleet to get back to Tuchanka and Rannoch, they need those mass relays.

Then the ending happened. The relays were destroyed no matter what, with no indication that they could be repaired (building mass relays is far above the various races' technology level). All those fleets you brought with you are now essentially stranded in the Sol System. Wrex, Tali, and all those krogan and quarians you brought with you will never see those things you fought hard for them. Not to mention the various asari, salarians, turians, etc., who are stranded with you. Earth appears devastated, so the only future in store for them is a brutal war over the last resources of Earth. One that won't involve the turians and quarians, because they can't even eat the food that grows on Earth. They'll starve quickly while everyone else fights for what scraps are left on Earth.

The original ending was pants-on-head stupid when you think about the logical conclusion from all those events. From a story perspective, that was the thing I was most pissed off about. The soldiers in Sword Fleet literally were no better off than if the Reapers had killed them. And that's why I am glad that the Extended Cut changed the ending making the mass relays destroyed to only "heavily damaged", which implies that they can be repaired, people will get out of the Sol System and see their homeworlds again, and not kill each other over food.

 

[Chaotic42]

Ok. Let me explain a bit.

Interesting. Honestly I hadn't thought about that. Thanks for the perspective.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Another one (not a PC game, but applicable to killing a franchise): Twisted Metal 3. Twisted Metal 1 was pretty good. Twisted Metal 2 was one of the best experiences I've ever had playing video games. It was just amazing in every regard. So, naturally, you had a bunch of imitators come out trying to jump on the vehicular combat bandwagon. Some of them were actually pretty good; Vigilante 8 and Rogue Trip spring to mind. But really, 1998 was the year of Twisted Metal 3, where the game that made the genre were going to remind us who the daddy was. And then the game comes out and it just absolutely sucks in every conceivable fashion. There's nothing redeeming about it at all. And then Twisted Metal 4 comes out and it's just as bad, and basically kills off, not just the franchise, but the entire genre of vehicular combat.

Granted, Twisted Metal Black was pretty good. But the experience with TM3 and 4 just soured me so much to the franchise that I can't be bothered with them any more.

 

[Necc]

Ok. Let me explain a bit.

The extended cut fixed few things but successfully brought even more questions.

Interesting. Honestly I hadn't thought about that. Thanks for the perspective.

If you have the time watch this.

Part1 Part2 Part3 Part4 Part5 Part6

 

[AdamantC]

Modern Warfare 2 and Every CoD title after that.

Infinity Ward of old you are missed.

 

[Red Hawk]

The extended cut fixed few things but successfully brought even more questions.

Smudboy is right half the time, wrong (egregiously so) the other half.

The one problem I can see that the EC introduced was that

Spoiler

the Normandy somehow makes it down to the conduit in a matter of seconds, Harbinger somehow doesn't notice it, and then leaves. And of course it doesn't "fix" the starchild and his options (especially Synthesis), if you were hoping it would be fixed. But overall, the ending is no longer broken with the extended cut by things like the relays being destroyed or your squad mates on the ground somehow ending up on the Normandy, and it's more satisfying with the added epilogue. I wouldn't say it "brought even more questions".

 

[Grimbones]

Call me crazy, i enjoyed Dragon Age 2, although not to the extent of the original. I would definitely not say that i'm not touching another DA game in the future. Especially considering the fact that they admitted fault with that franchise, so i am sure the next one will be a lot better than the second.

I also enjoyed Diablo three the first time through. I understand when people say that the game was basically a RMAH test though. I probably would have enjoyed the game a lot less if i hadn't made 300 dollars in it. Not that that's a lot of money, but still, i just got SC2 hots for free basically.

A game that effectively ruined a franchise for me? I would say Guild Wars 2. I actually enjoyed the first game a lot, but the second one just felt like WoW in sheeps clothing. Nothing very unique about it in my estimation. Too casual. I would have to see some huge changes to even consider any interest toward another GW game.

 

[renz20003]

Quake 4

Wolfenstein 2009

 

[alkemyst]

witcher 2.

The first one was very immersive with the level of interaction you had to do with your party. You truly had to be part of the game to not piss off your friends and lovers in the game. The sex scenes were not really what I was into, but it was cool and different from other games I played.

Witcher 2 tried, but it lacked the interaction level. Easy to just do whatever the heck you wanted and no one got pissed off.

Ultima IV was very similar in this level of interaction and personally I like that better than just being able to do anything you wanted in a role-playing game without consequences.

I don't game anymore much though so maybe there are way better things I have missed along the way.

 

[tidy]

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[Red Hawk]

Call me crazy, i enjoyed Dragon Age 2, although not to the extent of the original. I would definitely not say that i'm not touching another DA game in the future. Especially considering the fact that they admitted fault with that franchise, so i am sure the next one will be a lot better than the second.

Hey man, you're not crazy. Or at least, if you're crazy, then I'm crazy too...:ninja:

 

[MeldarthX]

Indoctrination theory is not as "perfect" as people sometimes pretend it is. If Indoctrination Theory turned out to be true and BioWare released an ending which confirmed it, how would that help? It still would mean that BioWare essentially released a game without its ending. And besides, there are problems within the actual story leading up to the ending that preclude the possibility of Indoctrination Theory.

Then they could of actually ended the game - but from what it looks like EA/Casey wanted it open ended enough to make another game/series of games......

Actually look at all the proof in the story that perfectly lends to the IT theory - they easily could of done it and it would of saved them from all the crap they have now; they would of sold a lot more DLC than they have and actually could of given the game the ending it deserves.

Along with actual boss fight that was worthy of the game......first two games; awesome end boss fights........ME 3? grrrrr we get nothing and worse insulting Deus Ex machina ending that has nothing to do with the damn game...cheapens what the Reapers were and destroys what was one of the best Sci-series in a generation.....

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Battlefield 3, Max Payne 3. System Requirements include constant open mouth breathing during play.

 

[darkewaffle]

lol at Saren as an "awesome end boss fight". Those are some serious rose colored glasses you're wearing.

Not to mention that for all the complaints about a "deus ex machina", nobody seems to mind that filling Saren with lead magically obliterates Sovereign's shields

 

[s44]

Actually look at all the proof in the story that perfectly lends to the IT theory - they easily could of done it and it would of saved them from all the crap they have now; they would of sold a lot more DLC than they have and actually could of given the game the ending it deserves.

No. The only advantage of IT is that it isn't *completely* out of nowhere. As an actual ending it's still cheap, renders your decisions irrelevant, and would have ignited massive fan backlash.

 

[Molondo]

Lore wise, I have to say Starcraft.