Worth upgrading from 8800gt to 4850

Dec 15, 2007
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I have been putting together a list of things to buy for christmas and I was thinking about getting two 4850's and running them in crossfire. I want to upgrade but I think graphics would be smarter than going quad core. I was just wondering what the communities thoughts were about the upgrade, as in if it is just. Keep in mind I play at 1920x1200.
 

solofly

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Originally posted by: spacecowboy9891
I have been putting together a list of things to buy for christmas and I was thinking about getting two 4850's and running them in crossfire. I want to upgrade but I think graphics would be smarter than going quad core. I was just wondering what the communities thoughts were about the upgrade, as in if it is just. Keep in mind I play at 1920x1200.

I don't think it's worth going from a single 8800gt to a 4850 unless it's crossfired and I recommend 1GB of vram on each card at the resoluition you play at. Another way to look at it is like going form a 8800gt to a 8800gtx which isn't much.

This is what you want, something like this...

http://www.ncixus.com/products...t%20Multimedia%20Inc./
or
http://www.ncixus.com/products...V-R485MC-1GH/Gigabyte/
 

amtbr

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Dont waste your time and money by switching from a 8800gt > 4850, gain is marginal at best. Go with a GTX 260 for 200$ or a 4870.
 
Dec 15, 2007
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Well see if I did go with the gtx 260 I couldn't afford sli. I can afford 4850 crossfire, I am just worried about scaling. I know there are mixed feelings on how smart it is to run two cards when you can have one efficient one.
 

error8

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There are good sides and bad sides of CrossFire and SLI. When they scale it's great, when they don't, well you feel like you bought one card for nothing. If you are willing to take this risk, then go for 4850 in Crossfire, but you'll certainly find a high end card to offer enough performance and no scaling issues to bother you.
I'm still seeing the SLI/CrossFire to be used only with the fastest cards, so if you run into scaling problems, one card will still give you enough fps, but when a 4850 CrossFire fails, one single 4850 might not be enough for the highest settings, for that particular game.
 

MarcVenice

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My HD4850's scale pretty well. Thing is, they are overpowered for 1680*1050. I can't really comment on 1920*1200, which requires 1.3x more power then my resolution. Something with more ram might be nice, although I doubt more then 512mb vram will become the norm for 1920*1200 anytime soon. If I had a 8800gt, I'd prolly ride it out a little longer instead.
 

Habu32

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I upgraded from 8800gtx to xfire 4850. I regret it . My reasoning was at the time i did not like nvidias chipsets when i upgraded cpu/mb so i went with the x38,limiting myself to xfire or one fast card.

After initial reviews I jumped on the 4850 bandwagon, and to be honest the only time they perform is in artificial benchmarks. Im seriously considering getting a 280 and getting what I can for these.

I also game at 1920x1200,which is almost a curse as it costs moocho grande to keep the power to push the pixels at that reso.
 
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Alright, thanks for the input. I am still considering simply because of the 270$ price, but I will have to do some more research. I would simply go with another 8800gt but my motherboard doesn't support sli and I really like the p5w dh delux. Why do these things have to be so complicated!! lol
 

FalseChristian

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Originally posted by: Habu32
I upgraded from 8800gtx to xfire 4850. I regret it . My reasoning was at the time i did not like nvidias chipsets when i upgraded cpu/mb so i went with the x38,limiting myself to xfire or one fast card.

After initial reviews I jumped on the 4850 bandwagon, and to be honest the only time they perform is in artificial benchmarks. Im seriously considering getting a 280 and getting what I can for these.

I also game at 1920x1200,which is almost a curse as it costs moocho grande to keep the power to push the pixels at that reso.

Welcome to the Anandtech forums! Don't be to hard on yourself. You tried something new and learned a valuable lesson. I'd go with then 260 GTX Core 216 which is half the price and 90% of the performance of the GTX 280.

 
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I do understand that the preformance increase of the 4850 over the 8800gt isn't worth justifying paying that price. However, after reading crossfire reviews I am getting mixed feelings. Games like crysis worry me due to the fact that crossfire doesn't do much at all, while with cod4 it scales at like 1.7x. Do you guys think that drivers in the future will be able to increase scaling or is that more of a game specific trait.

Thanks,
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: spacecowboy9891
I do understand that the preformance increase of the 4850 over the 8800gt isn't worth justifying paying that price. However, after reading crossfire reviews I am getting mixed feelings. Games like crysis worry me due to the fact that crossfire doesn't do much at all, while with cod4 it scales at like 1.7x. Do you guys think that drivers in the future will be able to increase scaling or is that more of a game specific trait.

Thanks,

It's always hit and miss. That's why some people get the fastest single GPU card.
 

Dadofamunky

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Originally posted by: Habu32
I upgraded from 8800gtx to xfire 4850. I regret it . My reasoning was at the time i did not like nvidias chipsets when i upgraded cpu/mb so i went with the x38,limiting myself to xfire or one fast card.

After initial reviews I jumped on the 4850 bandwagon, and to be honest the only time they perform is in artificial benchmarks. Im seriously considering getting a 280 and getting what I can for these.

I also game at 1920x1200,which is almost a curse as it costs moocho grande to keep the power to push the pixels at that reso.

I saw a review somewhere (can't remember where that was, or i'd link) in which somebody bothered to do a very exhaustive comparison of an 8800Ultra and a 4850, and they came out neck and neck.
 
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Well I have been looking at a lot of benchmarks and the 4850 crossfire seems to be neck and neck with the gtx 280 except in some games. I really don't understand why crossfire doesn't work in some games.
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: spacecowboy9891
Well I have been looking at a lot of benchmarks and the 4850 crossfire seems to be neck and neck with the gtx 280 except in some games. I really don't understand why crossfire doesn't work in some games.

Programming
 

djayjp

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Hey there, Spacecowboy, you HAVE to check out the following:

http://www.tomshardware.com/re...d-4870-x2,2073-18.html

the GTX280 gets absolutely destroyed by the 4870x2 in crysis at 1920x1200 w/ 4xaa and 8xaf! The 280 gets only 17fps while the 4870x2 gets 24fps!!! Considering they cost almost the same (ok, 4870x2 is $100 more; so that's going from $400-$500 for a 30% performance increase), that's pretty amazing. Certainly a MUCH better price/performance ratio than getting 2 gtx280's (in sli they get 29.6fps) for $750! Too bad the comparison doesn't include any single 4870 cards with 1GB; it's still slightly cheaper to go for the 4870x2. OR, you could go for the new 4850x2 for $385, or get two separately for slightly cheaper (which is odd); the 4850's performance is 20% lower than the 4870, so if we extrapolate, then two 4850's should give you 19.2fps. JUST MAKE SURE you get the 1GB version! (if you buy them separately). And THEN there's the option of going for the 260 or core 216... too many options! Ok, looked into it some more... you can get 2 GTX260 core 216's in sli for $500 which should give you about 26.5fps. Just for reference, your 8800gt will yield about 1fps in that benchmark due to lack of video memory. Don't forget though that these figures are with the game running in dx10 mode, so if you enable the Very High effects under dx9 mode, you should see about a 20% improvement in framerate.

So, my bottom line recommendation is that the optimal price/performance ratio lies either with the 4850 1GB or the gtx260 core 216. That is: for 2x4850 for $350 you'll get 19.2fps, or for $500 with 2x gtx 260 core 216 you'll get about 26.5fps. Honestly though, for $100-200, you SHOULD always be able to DOUBLE your performance in an ideal price/performance scenario (like upgrading from one generation to the next), so you are definitely seeing diminishing fps returns for your dollar with the gtx260 core 216; the 4850 1GB is a phenomenal value.

Don't listen to the naysayers-- now is a great time to upgrade... unless you want to wait until the end of next year when DX11 cards come out

And also be sure that you pair it up with a very beefy CPU... though Crysis only needs high speed cpu's, not multithreaded/multicore cpu's (i.e., 3.7ghz C2D has the potential to run the game at 30fps on Very High just fine IMO).
 
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Thanks for the input, that makes a lot of sense. I think I will go with the 4850 because $200 isn't worth the 7 fps. I currently have a c2d @ 3ghz but after I get my cooler I will be at 3.6ghz.
 

djayjp

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Ok, I'm revising my recommendation:

I think that in terms of horsepower, the 8800gt is very similar to the 4850 when it is fully OC'ed, because, looking at the non-AA graph, you can essentially substitute the 8800gtx for the 9800gtx+ if it is OC'ed (and the 8800gt OC'ed is slightly lower performance, about where the 4850 is). Crysis is a very unusual game in that it uses a crap load of video memory. For that particular game, I would shoot for no AA and instead use the game's built in edgeaa (2) setting (which is automatically activated on High settings-- 'shaders' and 'post processing'). This will give nice image quality and significantly reduce jaggies (also while making the vegetation look fuller) w/o the insane video memory requirements.

Basically, just slap another 8800gt in there and OC them and your CPU and run in dx9 mode (and activate the Very High settings) and you should achieve about 30fps. Also, I remember that the Tom's hardware custom benchmark for crysis is especially grueling and is at the low end of what you can expect in-game... so your average fps should be even higher than 30fps (although I don't know where the cpu speed becomes the bottleneck).

Of course, you can also increase performance by 10% by playing at 1080p rez (don't forget to disable scaling in the control panel though

***UPDATE:

I now understand how the whole price/performance dynamic works. The percentage increase in performance should always be significantly greater than the percentage increase in price. So, if card A is 50fps and card B is 75fps (a 50% increase in performance), but costs 50% more money, then it's NOT worth it. Thanks to Moore's Law, we should get MORE for the SAME (well, including inflation). So, in terms of Moore's law, the performance/cost ratio should always be about (going by theoretical performance) 2:1. So, in other words, if card A is 50fps and card B is 80-100fps and costs not significantly more... it's worth it! OR, put another way, a 1% increase in price should improve --theoretical-- performance (like an increase in stream processors or clock speed) by 2% to be worth it. It all sounds incredibly obvious, but researching on newegg, you can find a lot of such scenarios (like comparing a 9500gt to a 4670 for instance).

One way to calculate this is to divide the framerate by the price... a higher relative number is better. To compare the price/performance ratio between cards, if card A is rated 0.5 (fps divided by price) and card B is rated about the same, even though say card B has a higher actual framerate, you'd think it would be better, but it's not because it costs more! This is because although say its performance is 50% higher, its price is also 50% higher. So card A with a lower actual framerate has a better price/performance ratio even though they both might be rated 0.5 (price divided by framerate).

To figure out if it's worth upgrading from your current card, you simply use the price you paid for it and compare its performance with a card you are considering. As long as the fps/price rating is higher, it's worth it.
You can get another 8800gt/9800gt (same for sli...? not sure) for less than $100 these days! So, you see that although you bought one a while ago for twice as much, you're getting another card with the same performance for half the price

I suppose if you REALLY want to play crysis at that rez w/ aa then go for the 4850 (even the 512mb edition seems pretty solid on those settings... i.e., ATI cards seem MUCH more efficient than NVIDIA cards re. vid mem.)

*** UPDATE 2:

forget the whole price/performance thing here, I've come up with an entire guide on the subject in the forums!
 
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