Worth upgrading from Haswell i5-4670 to Ryzen 1700?

[whm1974]

I have a i5-4670 CPU with 16GB of ram and two 1TB SSDs, and I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to upgrade to a Ryzen 1700 CPU?

 

[Burpo]

Depends on what you're doing with the PC.

 

[whm1974]

Right now play games is the most performance demanding thing I'm doing now. AlthoughI a do have three videos playing while I surf the web... I also have half a mind to start a Youtube channel, so that would mean doing some video editing.

 

[Ketchup]

Video editing would see a noticeable difference. Everything else, not really (a.k.a. little to none). Worth the cost of a $300 chip plus motherboard and DDR4 RAM? Up to you, but I wouldn't do it.

 

[richierich1212]

Depends on the games you're playing. I would upgrade just because your current CPU isn't overclocked and 4 threads may start to feel slower sooner rather than later.

 

[whm1974]

I forgot to mention, I'm also using Manjaro Linux and have a GF 970 GPU and Z87 chipset motherboard.

 

[DaveSimmons]

$500+ for a CPU, mobo, 16 GB RAM.

In your shoes I'd wait until I actually have a problem doing something that I want to do. Upgrading now because of possible future problems seems like a waste of money.

 

[whm1974]

$500+ for a CPU, mobo, 16 GB RAM.

In your shoes I'd wait until I actually have a problem doing something that I want to do. Upgrading now because of possible future problems seems like a waste of money.

More like build another system since I'm looking at the MILO-08BH case.

 

[MajinCry]

For games, it would be a modest downgrade. For games that intelligently use the CCX units, then the Ryzen would perform better in those future titles.

 

[whm1974]

Well this wouldn't be anytime soon as I will need to save up some money first. Maybe Zen 2 will offer enough of a boost in IPC and clockspeed at 65W TDP to be worthwhile?

 

[MajinCry]

Well this wouldn't be anytime soon as I will need to save up some money first. Maybe Zen 2 will offer enough of a boost in IPC and clockspeed at 65W TDP to be worthwhile?

It'd be nice if we saw a jump like we did with Phenom II. As it stands with Zen:

General performance is @ Haswell.
Draw calls (w/ fast DDR4) are @ Sandybridge.
Emulation is @ Ivybridge.
And there is a significant cross-CCX performance penalty.

Haswell made a big jump over Ivybridge in emulators, due to the cache speed being about 2x faster. Resulted in a 40% speed up. With draw calls, nobody knows why certain architectures perform better than others; Nehalem, clock for clock is a touch faster than Haswell at draw calls, IIRC. And Phenom II performs below Core 2 at draw calls, yet general performance is on par with Nehalem stock vs stock.

 

[whm1974]

It'd be nice if we saw a jump like we did with Phenom II. As it stands with Zen:

General performance is @ Haswell.
Draw calls (w/ fast DDR4) are @ Sandybridge.
Emulation is @ Ivybridge.
And there is a significant cross-CCX performance penalty.

Haswell made a big jump over Ivybridge in emulators, due to the cache speed being about 2x faster. Resulted in a 40% speed up. With draw calls, nobody knows why certain architectures perform better than others; Nehalem, clock for clock is a touch faster than Haswell at draw calls, IIRC. And Phenom II performs below Core 2 at draw calls, yet general performance is on par with Nehalem stock vs stock.

Maybe AMD shouldn't have gone with a CCX design to begin with? That said however Zen is a huge improvement over their previous architectures.

 

[DaveSimmons]

AMD did a great job of almost catching up to intel with Zen, it's just that an i5-4670 is still good for gaming.

I'll probably upgrade in August once I see what Coffee Lake 6 core / 12 thread looks like compared to the 7700K and Zen. But until then I'm actually doing fine for gaming with my ancient i5-2500 (non-K).

 

[whm1974]

AMD did a great job of almost catching up to intel with Zen, it's just that an i5-4670 is still good for gaming.

I'll probably upgrade in August once I see what Coffee Lake 6 core / 12 thread looks like compared to the 7700K and Zen. But until then I'm actually doing fine for gaming with my ancient i5-2500 (non-K).

Yeah that the problem. CPU wise if you have at least an Sandy Bridge or later i5, it is hard for most users to justify upgrading to a better CPU, especially if said upgrade also requires replacing the motherboard and memory as well.

 

[edcoolio]

I have a i5-4670 CPU with 16GB of ram and two 1TB SSDs, and I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile to upgrade to a Ryzen 1700 CPU?

Nope. Not yet.

If you have cash burning a hole in your pocket, sell your current GPU and upgrade that for your gaming requirements. It will be a much more noticeable upgrade if you went to a 1080, for example.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Nope. Not yet.

Unless he wants to do more video-editing. There, a Ryzen 1700 will blow away a 4C/4T Intel Core CPU, for the most part.

I also have half a mind to start a Youtube channel, so that would mean doing some video editing.

I've had similar recent thoughts. Which is one reason that I dropped some coin on a Ryzen CPU+board last night. I only got a 1600 though, due to cost constraints, and plan on overclocking to 3.8, which I hear is usually doable, even on the stock cooler, maybe.

 

[escrow4]

Unless he wants to do more video-editing. There, a Ryzen 1700 will blow away a 4C/4T Intel Core CPU, for the most part.



I've had similar recent thoughts. Which is one reason that I dropped some coin on a Ryzen CPU+board last night. I only got a 1600 though, due to cost constraints, and plan on overclocking to 3.8, which I hear is usually doable, even on the stock cooler, maybe.

BREAKING NEWS! STOP THE PRESS! VL BOUGHT A REAL CPU!

 

[tamz_msc]

With your GTX 970 you'll not see much of an improvement because you'll be mostly GPU-bound. However you will have twice the CPU-headroom in modern multiplayer FPS like Battlefield 1 and Rainbow Six Siege, and can expect up to 20% more performance should you upgrade to a GTX 1080 or above.

 

[whm1974]

BREAKING NEWS! STOP THE PRESS! VL BOUGHT A REAL CPU!

Yeah VL should see a considerable increase in performance over the Celerons he has been using. I hope he that has also picked out a suitable video card as well to go with it. Life is way too short to mess with bottom of the barrel hardware if you can afford better.

 

[nitromullet]

More like build another system since I'm looking at the MILO-08BH case.

In that case I would definitely hold off. There are not many options for Ryzen ITX motherboards yet (I believe the Biostar X370GTN is it), so I would wait until more motherboard options are available.

 

[coffeemonster]

Maybe AMD shouldn't have gone with a CCX design to begin with? That said however Zen is a huge improvement over their previous architectures.

The CCX "penalty" is mostly imperceptible. It shows up as a few % in some benchmarks. It's more of a desperate point of contention with AMD detractors than a real negative.

 

[formulav8]

got a 1600 though, due to cost constraints, and plan on overclocking to 3.8

I have one and I run it at 3700 Mhz on stock voltage IIRC, and using the stock hsf. You getting 3.8 should be quite attainable.

 

[MajinCry]

The CCX "penalty" is mostly imperceptible. It shows up as a few % in some benchmarks. It's more of a desperate point of contention with AMD detractors than a real negative.

Well, no, not really. Draw call performance takes a large hit: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/part-2-measuring-cpu-draw-call-performance.2499609/

I did try to get some real world performance measurements, by looking at Fallout 4, but the only user with a Ryzen who bothered to help out was Crono. With two CCX's, it performs worse than a Skylake i5, despite Fallout 4 having eight main threads. http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/ryzen-w-amd-gpu-performance-in-fallout-4.2501467/

If a user can give it two runs, the first with the game on one CCX, and the second with the game spread across both CCX's, there'd be a better picture.

 

[whm1974]

Well, no, not really. Draw call performance takes a large hit: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/part-2-measuring-cpu-draw-call-performance.2499609/

I did try to get some real world performance measurements, by looking at Fallout 4, but the only user with a Ryzen who bothered to help out was Crono. With two CCX's, it performs worse than a Skylake i5, despite Fallout 4 having eight main threads. http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/ryzen-w-amd-gpu-performance-in-fallout-4.2501467/

If a user can give it two runs, the first with the game on one CCX, and the second with the game spread across both CCX's, there'd be a better picture.

Kind of hard to make conclusions off one data point and one game.

 

[whm1974]

Well, no, not really. Draw call performance takes a large hit: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/part-2-measuring-cpu-draw-call-performance.2499609/

I did try to get some real world performance measurements, by looking at Fallout 4, but the only user with a Ryzen who bothered to help out was Crono. With two CCX's, it performs worse than a Skylake i5, despite Fallout 4 having eight main threads. http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/ryzen-w-amd-gpu-performance-in-fallout-4.2501467/

If a user can give it two runs, the first with the game on one CCX, and the second with the game spread across both CCX's, there'd be a better picture.

Kind of hard to draw conclusions off one data point and game. Looking the performance to price ratio of the Ryzen 5 1600 and R7 1700, I would to have say that both of them offer the best value in CPUs right now.