would a teleporter kill the real you?

brianmanahan

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i think it would. deconstruction necessarily means death, even if the "information" transferred to the new you resulted in a subatomically identical state.

the only way travel like this would not be fatal to the real you would be via an actual portal through extradimensional space, similar to a worm tunneling through an apple.
 

IronWing

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“It's unpleasantly like being drunk."
"What's so unpleasant about being drunk?"
"You ask a glass of water.”
 
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SunnyD

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Matter and energy are interchangeable. Deconstruction of matter into the equivalent energy and then back into the equivalent matter satisfies the law of conservation. The trick would be deconstructing the matter, storing its exact state and then reconstructing it with that very same state. However that is by all definitions impossible because in order to do so the exact state of the universe must be preserved, and by definition time is a constant which plays a part in that state, ergo you would also need to reconstruct said matter at the exact instant it was destroyed in order to preserve state thus rendering the process exactly useless.

Oh yeah, answering the original question, "yes", because of the obvious reasoning I just laid out. It would be impossible to reconstruct the exact you because of loss of state.
 
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DigDog

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i think it would. deconstruction necessarily means death, even if the "information" transferred to the new you resulted in a subatomically identical state.

the only way travel like this would not be fatal to the real you would be via an actual portal through extradimensional space, similar to a worm tunneling through an apple.

... would it? It depends on the script of whatever fantasy world this is set in. Because teleporters do not exist in real life.

A teleporter would be constituted of two machines both of which have unrealistic expectations of efficiency even without knowing how they would work:
1. something that breaks down a thing into its molecular structure
2. something that composes a thing out of molecules.
AND, should we actually expect it to transport things
3. a way of moving said particles from one point to another.

Not only none of these exist, or are likely to be feasible in a - speculatory - future; but (3) would still need to follow the same rules of physics as normal matter. And (1) and (2) would not only need to analyze a thing, but the very states of the matter contained within. The idea that we could build a machine that simultaneously controls the states (spin, charge, etc) of all atoms in a human body is .. not directly contravening any rule of physics, but implied to be impossible by our understanding of chaos. Too many factors for this reality.
Also, there is no need for (1) if you have (2). You would not necessarily need to break into atoms something to recreate it. You could easily enough build yourself a Capt Kirk out of houseplants and discarded food tins. Heck, you can have a dozen.

If by teleporter you mean just (3), something that shifts a thing whole, from point A to point B, that depends on what technology is used. I cannot see any suggestion in modern physics that any sort of wormhole could exist.


(i dont do this to be annoying. I believe it is counterproductive to think of things as *science* if there is no science that suggests that one day they could be real; quantum entanglement yes, FTL travel no. FYI if you have read the recent "FTL WORKS!" articles .. it doesn't)
obligatory Spaceballs reference
 
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DigDog

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FYI Gene Roddenberry did not initially conceive the transporter as a Star Trek world element, they (the crew? Roddenberry?) just made it up because filming people flying down to the planets on shuttles would have been too expensive.
 

IronWing

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With Star Trek's teleporter, you can make as many of "you" as you wish and at any time. It would be like the God Emperor ordering Duncan Idahos. Record companies could replace pop stars forever. Elvis died on the can? No problem, print out another copy on the teleporter. That other star wants more money? Hand him a red shirt and print out a copy from before he became difficult.
 
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Iron Woode

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i think it would. deconstruction necessarily means death, even if the "information" transferred to the new you resulted in a subatomically identical state.

the only way travel like this would not be fatal to the real you would be via an actual portal through extradimensional space, similar to a worm tunneling through an apple.
I don't know but I did telefrag players in UT99 with the translocator.
 
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MrSquished

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Could be like a version of the trick in The Prestige. Kills you on one end and the new you pops out the other.
 

BurnItDwn

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That's still better than marriage, which sometimes takes 10-20 years before you realize you died and you can never get that time back....no matter how many sports cars or 18 year old models you bang.
you would escape mariage only to put your clone through the suffering.
 

BurnItDwn

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also, if your wife is cool with you blowing all the money on sports cars and cool with you banging 18 year old models, it sounds like the marriage is happy? is it not?
 
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Scarpozzi

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you would escape mariage only to put your clone through the suffering.
I could never stand to watch a clone of myself die slowly. I'd go for a quick death....like pushing my clone out of a 5th story window. My understanding is that cops don't consider placing obscene clone falls as felonies.
 

dank69

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Oct 6, 2009
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I could never stand to watch a clone of myself die slowly. I'd go for a quick death....like pushing my clone out of a 5th story window. My understanding is that cops don't consider placing obscene clone falls as felonies.
*rimshot*
 
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