Originally posted by: reeserock
Convenience store profit is in beer and smokes, not gas. I hope there is a store attached.
Not entirely. Actually, in cigarettes, the profit margin is way less.
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: JS80
Horrible idea. That price is fishy (i.e. too low). My great uncle bought a gas station and he just had to fire two employees and now works there himself to minimize losses. Those franchises will rape you the chance they get.
The saving grace of yours may be the car wash.
I would also consider soaring gas prices and possible decline in economy (i.e. less patrons). Lower traffic = bankruptcy.
I don;t agree with JS80 much but this I do. When you said $350k I thought that can't be right. Esp since you said it has several things on site.
Also is the land and building owned or is it leased. What is the mortage/lease payments and what does it say about transfer. Are there any debts in the business's name? Are there any leins? Court actions? etc...
I ahve seen gas stations by themself go for a lot more then that with far less. Soemthing is hidden and not being covered?
with that price of ~350k, he is probably just buying the business goodwill. Since it is a Phillips 66 (franchise), i am sure that Phillips will be doing maintainence on the building/gas pumps/lot and will be responsible for any upgrades and in return, the franchise pays rent + royalty to Phillips. If incase the seller does own the building + pumps + tanks, then you are responsible for any upgrades required by the govt/phillips. I am 99.99% sure that this asking price of 350k does not includes the RE, so OP will still have to pay rent.
There are just too many variables and scenarios as follows:
1) Phillips owns the Land, building and other FFE and owner/operator pays them Rent + Royalty
2) Some Landlord owns the Land and Phillips owns/maintains the building and other FFE and owner/operator pays them Rent to landlord + Royalty to Phillips
3) Phillips/some landlord owns the land but owner/operator owns/maintains the Building + FFE and owner/operator pays the Rent + royalty.
4) Phillips/some landlord owns the land but owner/operator owns/maintains the Building + FFE and owner/operator pays the Rent (no royalty).
There can be some other conditions/scenarios also. You have to look at all these scenarios and depending on which scenario it is, the market price and your take home *MIGHT* be different from other scenarios.
You also have to look at how long the lease is for the place. Since it is a Phillips gas station, most probably Phillips owns the master lease and in turn subleases to the franchise. The sublease will most probably be for 3 years (which gets renewed every 3 years for 3 more years IF you are doing good and are in good terms with Phillips)