Would it be possible to invade the US?

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Amplifier
I was playing an invasion level in Rome Total war and I realized, it would be impossible to invade the US.

We can match any tank vs tank/ plane vs plane so it would come down to their soldiers vs us. And now that we all can buy automatic firearms I don't think the invaders would stand a chance against 300 million people exercising their second amendment rights.

*fires gun in air*

What do you think?


Edit: And I mean successfully invaded, not just occupy for a month or two.

we can't all buy automatic firearms. you have to pass so many background checks that is is ridiculously expensive to boot.

Not to mention that some states don't allow them at all, regardless.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Thera
A classic invasion under the current conditions would probably fail. Change a few elements and it could easily be pulled off. For example block or sanction fuel and imports and America will fall under it's own girth. A resistance movement that is starving and immobile is pretty easily invaded, up keeping the invasion would be another matter though. But that can worked around with a "hearts and minds" campaign.

I completely agree with this.. That's a pretty scary thought.

If they took out our support countries, we'd be fscked.

No gasoline alone, and society would crumble.. lol

The US produces enough gasoline to support its military. We have enough natural resources to sustain ourselves even if we were closed off.

 

[Nebor]

I'd like to think that the American attitude would keep us from being conquered. Our stubborness, and self righteousness would cause us to fight until we were wiped out.

Someone mentioned that WMDs could break our spirit, but I'd rather be annihilated by a nuclear blast than live forcibly under a foreign flag.

In other words, I'm in for the resistance. And I'm still seeing Breen...

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Russia and Canada would be extremely hard to take over. They have the inhospitible weather on their side. They don't need to wipe out the invaders, all they have to do is stall them and block their supply lines. Then let the brutal winter take over.

I think Canada would be very easy to conquer. It would take about 2 days.

Canada is the other half of NORAD. You don't really think that the US is just going to sit there while somebody takes over Canada, do you? Attacking Canada would be just as easy as attacking the US, since we'd be right there.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Thera
A classic invasion under the current conditions would probably fail. Change a few elements and it could easily be pulled off. For example block or sanction fuel and imports and America will fall under it's own girth. A resistance movement that is starving and immobile is pretty easily invaded, up keeping the invasion would be another matter though. But that can worked around with a "hearts and minds" campaign.

I completely agree with this.. That's a pretty scary thought.

If they took out our support countries, we'd be fscked.

No gasoline alone, and society would crumble.. lol

The US produces enough gasoline to support its military. We have enough natural resources to sustain ourselves even if we were closed off.

Yeah? That says nothing about the rest of society..

If we were importing no oil, we would only have enough gasoline for a few months... There is basically no oil left here[when compared to the ammount we import]; we used it up in the 70s.

But you're right, the military wouldn't run out of fuel.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Topic Title: Would it be possible to invade the US?
Topic Summary: edit: and occupy (for those who need it spelled out )
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I can't make a comment on this here in OT as it would touch off another Firestorm.

How come this is not in P&N???

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Eli
Yeah? That says nothing about the rest of society..

If we were importing no oil, we would only have enough gasoline for a few months...

But you're right, the military wouldn't run out of fuel.

When push comes to shove, the military gets all the supplies it needs first, then consumers come last. During WW2, most automakers switched over from building cars to building tanks and planes. Copper, silk, and gasoline were rationed. Yes, civilian luxuries took a big hit to support the war effort, but they had no problem doing it. Do you think that people are going to complain about fueling their SUV when there's a enemy force in the next state trying to conquer the country?

 

[cbehnken]

sure, anything is possible.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli
Yeah? That says nothing about the rest of society..

If we were importing no oil, we would only have enough gasoline for a few months...

But you're right, the military wouldn't run out of fuel.

When push comes to shove, the military gets all the supplies it needs first, then consumers come last. During WW2, most automakers switched over from building cars to building tanks and planes. Copper, silk, and gasoline were rationed. Yes, civilian luxuries took a big hit to support the war effort, but they had no problem doing it. Do you think that people are going to complain about fueling their SUV when there's a enemy force in the next state trying to conquer the country?

Civvies would bitch if they had to wait five extra minutes for their LardMac at McDonald's due to an invasion.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli
Yeah? That says nothing about the rest of society..

If we were importing no oil, we would only have enough gasoline for a few months...

But you're right, the military wouldn't run out of fuel.

When push comes to shove, the military gets all the supplies it needs first, then consumers come last. During WW2, most automakers switched over from building cars to building tanks and planes. Copper, silk, and gasoline were rationed. Yes, civilian luxuries took a big hit to support the war effort, but they had no problem doing it. Do you think that people are going to complain about fueling their SUV when there's a enemy force in the next state trying to conquer the country?

No, but society would still at least begin to crumble at that point, and it would crumble more and more the longer we were in that situation.

That's all I was saying. If people can't get gasoline to get to work.. yeah, we're fscked.. We could certainly pull out of it though... it would just be some hard times. Obviously for society to completely collapse, that would have to happen and it would have to escalate and get worse, instead of better... for an extended period of time.

 

[Phoenix86]

It's not unpossible, but it would be one of the more difficult invasions you could ask for.

Lots of ocean surrounding N. America = horrid supply line issues. Add on that fact that we have the best navy. Double whammy.
Armed, free, 3rd largets populace.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Russia and Canada would be extremely hard to take over. They have the inhospitible weather on their side. They don't need to wipe out the invaders, all they have to do is stall them and block their supply lines. Then let the brutal winter take over.

I think Canada would be very easy to conquer. It would take about 2 days.

Canada is the other half of NORAD. You don't really think that the US is just going to sit there while somebody takes over Canada, do you? Attacking Canada would be just as easy as attacking the US, since we'd be right there.

Well I was talking about it in more isolated terms - without the US being involved. If Canada has its big brother coming in to protect it then it would be hard to conquer it.

Canada by itself would probably be conquered within a day or two.

 

[sjetexas]

The US would nuke the crap out of an enemy country before it would allow itself to be occupied.

Aside from that, there is no way the logistics make it impossible. You can't amass a large invasion force without us taking serious countermeasures. The US Navy's sea power is more powerful than the rest of the world combined so forget that route. It just can't happen.

A better question would be, could the US invade China? I say no, at least without going full nuclear first. I don't think its possible to invade ANY country that has real deployable nuclear capability unless you plan to wipe that country off the face of the earth in the process.

 

[Anubis]

if we rule out the use of nukes and and other ICBMs i say no

for a land invasiuon of teh US to happen, the agressor somehow needs to get millions of troops across a huge spacve of ocea which is patrolled but the worlds biggest navy

or they woudl have to come through canada or mexico, now if that were the cace we woudl surley know WTF was going on and woudl have the defences set up to deal with it

the only way i see the US being invaded is if someone nuked the hell put of us and just came ina dn picked up the pieces, even then teh resistance woudl be insane, than and we woudl have pretty much nuked them all back and more or less ended the world

mutual assured distructiion or whatever its called

 

[Eli]

I do have to agree with Thera, though.

Originally posted by: Thera

It means nothing if you're not organized. It's a fend for yourself society... and it would be rolled over by an army at a blinding speed.

I can EASILY see that happening...

At least at first.. Word would spread quickly, and people would take up arms.... But there could be some truely horrific massacres in that short time.

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Russia and Canada would be extremely hard to take over. They have the inhospitible weather on their side. They don't need to wipe out the invaders, all they have to do is stall them and block their supply lines. Then let the brutal winter take over.

I think Canada would be very easy to conquer. It would take about 2 days.

You think wrong. To overthrow our military, in numbers only, perhaps. To conquer a country the size of Canada would be very, very difficult. The way we could be conquered is through our complete, and somewhat pathetic, dependence on the US.

Where I live, it is approximately a 12-13 hour drive, and I don't foresee anyone wanting to conquer me ... unless it is for oil purposes, or in the future, fresh water.

 

[slpaulson]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I would say then take over South America first, then go for Canada. At the same time move out toward Japan to control that coastline....Russia would be a problem, but the country is hurting so bad they will more than likely have to sign on or fold.

The US would not just sit there while our neighbors are being taken over by our enemies...

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Russia and Canada would be extremely hard to take over. They have the inhospitible weather on their side. They don't need to wipe out the invaders, all they have to do is stall them and block their supply lines. Then let the brutal winter take over.

I think Canada would be very easy to conquer. It would take about 2 days.

Canada is the other half of NORAD. You don't really think that the US is just going to sit there while somebody takes over Canada, do you? Attacking Canada would be just as easy as attacking the US, since we'd be right there.

Well I was talking about it in more isolated terms - without the US being involved. If Canada has its big brother coming in to protect it then it would be hard to conquer it.

Canada by itself would probably be conquered within a day or two.

LOL... do you realize how big Canada is?

They may only have 32 million people, but they're spread out over 4 million square miles....

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Eli
No, but society would still at least begin to crumble at that point, and it would crumble more and more the longer we were in that situation.

That's all I was saying. If people can't get gasoline to get to work.. yeah, we're fscked.. We could certainly pull out of it though... it would just be some hard times. Obviously for society to completely collapse, that would have to happen and it would have to escalate and get worse, instead of better... for an extended period of time.

I think a misconception is that if the situation prevented us living our normal lives, our society would crumble. It wouldn't. We would adapt just as we have in the past. During WW2 people changed jobs, conserved fuel, saved money... they had to alter their lives to support the war effort. But they did it. We'd have no problem adapting again if the situation arose.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Russia and Canada would be extremely hard to take over. They have the inhospitible weather on their side. They don't need to wipe out the invaders, all they have to do is stall them and block their supply lines. Then let the brutal winter take over.

I think Canada would be very easy to conquer. It would take about 2 days.

You think wrong. To overthrow our military, in numbers only, perhaps. To conquer a country the size of Canada would be very, very difficult. The way we could be conquered is through our complete, and somewhat pathetic, dependence on the US.

Where I live, it is approximately a 12-13 hour drive, and I don't foresee anyone wanting to conquer me ... unless it is for oil purposes, or in the future, fresh water.

OK, well I would say that to collapse the Canadian government and military would take about 1-2 days. To get a hold of the entire country would take a little longer but still be relatively easy.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Amplifier
Topic Title: Would it be possible to invade the US?
Topic Summary: edit: and occupy (for those who need it spelled out )
[/b]

I can't make a comment on this here in OT as it would touch off another Firestorm.

How come this is not in P&N???

I would think the answer would be obvious

 

[Cleaner]

You don't take over a country by defeating its army. You take it over by delegitimizing its government. Without a central gov. all hell will break loose. No control. Then they just take over the rest of the country at will. First strikes to all of the 50 state capitals and washington would do it. Then mopping up exercises after that.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Play Red Alert 2, and indeed you will see that the US isn't as tough as one would think.

Absolutely, positively the most ignorant statement made in the history of mankind.

Thanks, it takes practice.

Oh, and you need to put the bong down if you think I was in any way serious.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli
No, but society would still at least begin to crumble at that point, and it would crumble more and more the longer we were in that situation.

That's all I was saying. If people can't get gasoline to get to work.. yeah, we're fscked.. We could certainly pull out of it though... it would just be some hard times. Obviously for society to completely collapse, that would have to happen and it would have to escalate and get worse, instead of better... for an extended period of time.

I think a misconception is that if the situation prevented us living our normal lives, our society would crumble. It wouldn't. We would adapt just as we have in the past. During WW2 people changed jobs, conserved fuel, saved money... they had to alter their lives to support the war effort. But they did it. We'd have no problem adapting again if the situation arose.

Hmm.. Very true.

I guess it would just depend on the circumstances. I was thinking more along the lines of an overnight(Or at least over-week.... month maybe..) thing.

It would have to be sudden to throw us into chaos.

 

[Kelemvor]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
No, see Red Dawn, didn't work well...

That's what I was thinking. But it did work well for them for a bit. But they didn't have the means to defend it for very long.