Would mandatory dashcams on all new vehicles sold in the US be a good idea?

[dank69]

So the end justifies the means, eh? Then put everyone in jail where they'll be safe. If you don't want to be that "radical", we can let everyone drive lawn tractors around... Without a mowing deck of course. Someone could engage the blades, and stick their hand in them... :^S

Ends justify the means? I am explaining to you how not wearing your seat belt effects people other than yourself. That is all. Ends justify the means? Does this mean you don't agree with the ban against civilians owning nuclear weapons? After all it infringes on my right to do what I want and only effects other people if I accidentally detonate it.

 

[lxskllr]

Ends justify the means? I am explaining to you how not wearing your seat belt effects people other than yourself. That is all. Ends justify the means? Does this mean you don't agree with the ban against civilians owning nuclear weapons? After all it infringes on my right to do what I want and only effects other people if I accidentally detonate it.

Everything you do during the day affects other people. Like right now you're pissing me off ;^)

Someone dying on the road due to not wearing a seatbelt isn't an egregious affront to other people. If it is, they shouldn't be in cars in the first place. Walk, or take the mower. People are gonna die regardless of what big brother does. Hundreds of people died before you finished reading this post. That's life.

I'm absolutely fine with you having nuclear arms. Good luck getting the money together, or the lab to make a DIY version.

 

[dank69]

Everything you do during the day affects other people. Like right now you're pissing me off ;^)

Which is why sane people weigh the pros and cons of certain policies rather than making blanket statements.

Someone dying on the road due to not wearing a seatbelt isn't an egregious affront to other people.

Egregious? Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's stick to the debate about whether or not it has any effect on other people at all.

If it is, they shouldn't be in cars in the first place. Walk, or take the mower.

What are you even saying with this statement? Not okay to make people wear seatbelts but okay to make people who won't wear seatbelts walk or ride a mower?

People are gonna die regardless of what big brother does. Hundreds of people died before you finished reading this post. That's life.

People are going to die so why punish murderers, amirite?

I'm absolutely fine with you having nuclear arms. Good luck getting the money together, or the lab to make a DIY version.

I betting ego because I doubt you are so insane as to think if people can afford nukes the government shouldn't forbid it.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Why does it always have to be mandatory for everyone? If you want the benefits a dashcam would provide, YOU put one in your car. Everyone else might not want to pay for one.

 

[momeNt]

Honestly there are market forces that can greatly increase dash cam usage.

Progressive uses the snapshot program which monitors hard brakes and other dangerous driving habits. That small idea might eventually help insurance companies create an incentive to have dash cams to establish fault and help their claims process.

I'd prefer for things to happen organically than to have a governing body unilaterally direct peoples' lives.

 

[exdeath]

Since I have mechanical and electrical and software engineering abilities, nothing is actually mandatory in my vehicle without my direct consent...

 

[momeNt]

Since I have mechanical and electrical and software engineering abilities, nothing is actually mandatory in my vehicle without my direct consent...

What do you typically charge for circumventing alcohol breath test interlocks for your fellow bar patrons??

 

[IGBT]

Check this site out...

http://dashcamtalk.com/dash-cam-comparison/

Good rating of dash cams and their pros/cons. The G1W, $52, is the new bang for buck camera.

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...ep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg

I'll give it a look. Looking for something that works as intended out of the box with stable thermal characteristics that doesn't need firmWear flashes to iron out bugs. They all seem to draw 1/2 amp (500ma) doesn't sound like much but are small devises and heat up fast when the interior heat of the vehicle is factored..sometime resulting in intermittent (black out) op.

 

[_Rick_]

I don't actually thing it will need to be mandated.
Cameras and storage are so cheap, that they're already being integrated into many, many vehicles on sale today, and taking the extra step of mounting camera modules elsewhere in the car, and making the link to a storage medium doesn't sound like a big effort, even in the automotive space, which is a bit more traditional than other electronic market places.

Also, a mandatory installation would be fine, for as long as the owner of the data retains full rights over the video, and crucially can not be subpoenaed for the data. Giving acess to the tapes needs to be optional and by free choice.
Rules for commercial vehicles might be different, but a private party should not be coerced to offer potentially self-incriminating data. To assure this, the video would have to be recorded with public key encryption.

 

[rh71]

my biggest peeve is to have to mount this and that and flip this and that on and off, and again when I leave the car. Integrated would be great, but it better be a well-functioning solution.

My backup camera is terrible at night and a couple years later they improved upon it - just can't retrofit very easily.

 

[CraigRT]

What a retarded idea.
When will this kind of garbage stop?

Just what we need, more useless gadgetry in cars, and more ways to have to cover your ass because people in society suck.

Sometimes I am glad I am getting older and closer to death. What a fucked up world we live in.

 

[IGBT]

my biggest peeve is to have to mount this and that and flip this and that on and off, and again when I leave the car. Integrated would be great, but it better be a well-functioning solution.

My backup camera is terrible at night and a couple years later they improved upon it - just can't retrofit very easily.

looking for something that works out of the box and doesn't need endless firmWear flashes to work. Will use / self format xD cards / Which one??

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

2 stupid questions, but is an lcd necessary? Looking at for instance that $52 Jimzz linked, I see those in that series all come with monitors... & do you still need something that saves the video, or is everything you need included?

 

[exdeath]

What do you typically charge for circumventing alcohol breath test interlocks for your fellow bar patrons??

$0 because I don't aid drunk douchebags.

 

[Jimzz]

2 stupid questions, but is an lcd necessary? Looking at for instance that $52 Jimzz linked, I see those in that series all come with monitors... & do you still need something that saves the video, or is everything you need included?

I prefer one with a LCD as it helps you aim the camera and also tells you if its working.

I have a R280 dashcam right now, not bad after I fixed the bad factory lens.
If the G1W is still cheap and has no problems come spring I will probably get that for my old Chevy.

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

I recently saw an interlock order that had "with camera" hand written on the form!

That was a first, no getting around that one (without a mask).

 

[W.C. Nimoy]

I prefer one with a LCD as it helps you aim the camera and also tells you if its working.

I have a R280 dashcam right now, not bad after I fixed the bad factory lens.
If the G1W is still cheap and has no problems come spring I will probably get that for my old Chevy.

Good point, instead of having to test, then transfer to your computer to watch it over & over.

I've got to get a couple of those. I want as much documented coverage as possible around here.

 

[OCGuy]

I expect that you have never been in a serious accident or seen the results of a person when they had an accident and no seatbelt was worn?

I lost a friend this year because he was ejected from the vehicle during a roll over with no seatbelt.

http://claremont-laverne.patch.com/...man-killed-in-recent-i-10-crash-is-identified


I also had to go to a morgue/hospital program as part of my DUI sentencing when I was a lad.


The government doesn't need to mandate everything. I pay tax on my vehicle when I buy it. I pay tax every year to keep it on the road (registration). I pay tax every time I put gas in it. I pay tax if it needs to be maintained.

I pay taxes to keep police/fire first responders on the job. I pay for health insurance.



So if I want to "come get scraped off the road", fuck anyone who tells me otherwise. I promise I've contributed more to the cost of that service than most.


Now...people on cell phones? They are endangering other people, and deserve to go to the gallows if the cause an accident.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

Only if I'm allowed to plug in my DVD player, snowcone maker, fog machine, record player, deep-fryer, Lite-Brite, and a fax machine.

 

[Dumac]

What privacy concerns could there be with a forward facing, un-networked dashcam?

I understand not liking the idea because its just ANOTHER government mandate, but the privacy concerns seem shaky.

 

[her209]

You could use your video to defend against a cop that claims you were swerving so he could pull you over and search our vehicle.

 

[lxskllr]

What privacy concerns could there be with a forward facing, un-networked dashcam?

I understand not liking the idea because its just ANOTHER government mandate, but the privacy concerns seem shaky.

You can hack a car through the tire pressure sensors. You're thinking in the highest possible terms; some crappy aftermarket camera that sticks to your dash. What would likely happen is a fairly sophisticated camera that's linked to the blackbox, and has sensors that can be remotely read, and builtin gps. The better units will be network connected, and it'll eventually trickle down to the base models. Add in any kind of spin you like for abusing the technology. Terrorists, children, crime...

 

[Kougar]

I'd be fine with a cam or two just to protect myself. Many vehicles already ship with rear-view cams anyway, so why not simply record the last ~3 minutes of it to a storage device or the car's built in black box?

That said consumers would need more protection if cams were put in vehicles, there's currently nothing stopping police from checking and even wiping data from a vehicle's black box and onboard cameras.

As for why I feel we need protection... Was an incident last year where several responding cops removed & doctered evidence at a crash scene when they found out the guy behind the crash was an DUI off-duty cop. Was only the accident victim's word against 3 cops, until video got out of the cops doing it.

 

[exdeath]

What privacy concerns could there be with a forward facing, un-networked dashcam?

I understand not liking the idea because its just ANOTHER government mandate, but the privacy concerns seem shaky.

5th amendment.

Some of us drive spiritedly without being stupid and endangering others, and it could be twisted and used as manufactured exaggerated evidence against people to paint them with a history as lawless drivers to a gullible non enthusiast "saftey first zero tolerance" type jury even when said spirited driving may have had nothing to do with an accident.

Anybody else could do no wrong if they caused the accident if the video prior shows you rev matching, accelerating hard, going 5-10 over etc it would automatically be your fault because the public is stupid.

What I do by myself when nobody else is around and nobody is looking is my business and nobody else's.

 

[Tormac]

I like the idea of dash cameras, I enjoy playing with my go-pro all the time, but see no reason why it should be mandatory.

I fear that there are too many electronic doo-dads on cars already. The last thing that the American driver is a new toy to play with instead of focusing on driving.