Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
There is plenty of data to start with and obviously audits would be paperwork checks - which is not something that will be easy to hide from. Will it be perfect? no, but it'd be a hell of a lot more effective than doing NOTHING like we do now. You see, you keep trying to claim it won't be effective or some such nonsense but it's people like you who will cause it to be ineffective because you don't want it to work.
Tell you what. Let's just end this right here. The day that the government manages to effectively solve this problem in the manner which you describe you can go ahead and send me a PM. In mean time, you can keep disillusioning yourself by blaming liberals for preventing the execution of your magical silver bullet audit program run by the fed and paid for by the tax payers. You are deriving your argument based on your own speculation. I am basing mine off of people I know personally that are exposed to this kind of paperwork. You have no idea how easy it is to make everything completely untouchable until you have lived it yourself.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
If there people are subjects of a nation - their kid is by default a subject so tough shit.
Show me where that is written in law for every country. Show me why what you want is not taking the child of an illegal immigrant and dumping them somewhere else forcing them to become an illegal immigrant themselves.
Beyond that, I do realize that a degree of emotion is involved here. However, people have the right to those emotions. They have the right to act on them and be represented by them. Just like you. Let's take Cuba for example, by sending them back to Cuba they immediately get sent to Cuban prisons. Did you know that? Are you really able to look into the eyes of a set of hard working yet illegal Cuban parents and their young kids who are not sucking off the government's tit at all beyond not being taxed and tell them, "Sorry, you are and your child are going straight to a hellish Cuban prison because you are an illegal while I allow Mr. Legal white trash welfare sucking Joe Schmo over there to stick around freely."
The logical deduction here is awful.