Would now be a good time to start deporting illegals?

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

It's called "loitering".

Good luck with that. Since this is such a good idea, please pass along your 'ID check and arrest of all illegal immigrants by using loitering as probable cause' plan to the appropriate law enforcement groups. When they are done laughing at you, come back and tell us about your experience.

You dont need probable cause, just "reasonable suspicion." Big difference.

Do you believe that differences in skin color and language alone is reasonable? Or do you believe that is abusing their power? Where is the line drawn?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

It's called "loitering".

Good luck with that. Since this is such a good idea, please pass along your 'ID check and arrest of all illegal immigrants by using loitering as probable cause' plan to the appropriate law enforcement groups. When they are done laughing at you, come back and tell us about your experience.

You dont need probable cause, just "reasonable suspicion." Big difference.

Do you believe that differences in skin color and language alone is reasonable? Or do you believe that is abusing their power? Where is the line drawn?

The line is drawn at "reasonable suspicion" that a crime is being commited.

We can start by giving local authorities the mandate for arresting and reporting to ICE when they pull over someone who cannot produce valid ID. This would not only lower insurance rates, it would clean out some of the traffic and pollution. In counties like mine that are close to the Mexican border, there are tons of illegals driving around with no license or insurance. Obama is working on something like this already.

If they are standing in front of a Home Depot and getting into random cars, there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are illegal immigrants looking for work.

It would be like a scantily clad female getting into a car that just pulls up to her in certain downtown areas. Is it illegal for a women to be standing there? No. Is it illegal for you to pick up a random female? No.

But you can bet if it is a known prostitution area, you are getting pulled over, and they will investigate.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: NSFW
I would think that cracking down on this would be great for the job situation.

It would be horribly bad for the economy. It would close a lot of businesses.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

It's called "loitering".

Good luck with that. Since this is such a good idea, please pass along your 'ID check and arrest of all illegal immigrants by using loitering as probable cause' plan to the appropriate law enforcement groups. When they are done laughing at you, come back and tell us about your experience.

Speaking of laughing, I'm reminded of the youtube video where the guy picks up a pickup truck load of "workers" from the lumber yard and then proceeds to drive them to the local INS office. LMAO, did they scatter!!!!

There is always more then one way to skin a cat, so to you too.

 

[Ausm]

Walmart would go under if that happened!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
wow, are you really that stupid? Do you not understand data mining? Do you not understand that multiple hits would flag numbers? Do you not understand that name mismatches would flag them? Also on top of that would be employer history so there could easily be more thorough audits and checks of those "caught" to make sure there is no funny business. And also IF we could get everyone behind it, the program would adapt as some of the fraudsters find holes. IT's not just a one time effort which you don't seem to understand.

I understand auditing and data mining very well. The problem is there is no data to mine. They are not on any of the books and those books look very clean from the eyes of an auditor. There are no "flags" to detect because everything looks like it matches up if you do it right. I am still waiting to hear from you regarding what these auditors will be doing differently which will actually be effective. It seems like you are more interested in having laws in place that appeal to you than actually doing something which will work effectively.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
The kids would go with their parents. When the parents are in their appropriate country, they can deal with any issue with their kid. Again, another country's issue has ZERO bearing on our law despite your attempts to try to bring some emotional children argument into it. Yes, there will be some issues that come up but that doesn't mean we don't enforce the law.

Other countries do not have to let us into their borders in order to drop them off. What do you plan to do when they say "no"? They don't want those people there any more than we want any legal lazy welfare abusers here. Do you plan to force them into that country? Do you plan to sneak them in illegally since those kids are technically illegal immigrants in their parent's country? You realize that right? You realize that what you want is for America to assist these kids in illegally immigrating into a country that they don't want to go to.

This is an international recipe for disaster. It is not nearly as easy as you are trying to make it out to be.

It's quite obvious you have no intention of having a rational conversation. I am not running or going to run the system, but the fundamentals are right there in front of you. There is plenty of data to start with and obviously audits would be paperwork checks - which is not something that will be easy to hide from. Will it be perfect? no, but it'd be a hell of a lot more effective than doing NOTHING like we do now. You see, you keep trying to claim it won't be effective or some such nonsense but it's people like you who will cause it to be ineffective because you don't want it to work.

:roll: still on that stupid tangent about some anchor baby not being able to go back with it's parents? puhleeze. If there people are subjects of a nation - their kid is by default a subject so tough shit. Our laws should not be able to be bent or broken just because you want to tug on some heart strings. Do I have empathy for these people and kids? Hell yes, but I do not have sympathy for those who break the law to come here illegally and/or have an anchor baby. It should be quite clear in our law that if you aren't here legally and you have a kid here - you ALL go back regardless.
Actually it is quite simple - you are definitely blowing this way out of proportion to suit your emotional agenda.

 

[compuwiz1]

OP, why do you ask...do you need a job picking apples or asparagus? That's what most of the illegals do around here. Nobody I know would take that job.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
There is plenty of data to start with and obviously audits would be paperwork checks - which is not something that will be easy to hide from. Will it be perfect? no, but it'd be a hell of a lot more effective than doing NOTHING like we do now. You see, you keep trying to claim it won't be effective or some such nonsense but it's people like you who will cause it to be ineffective because you don't want it to work.

Tell you what. Let's just end this right here. The day that the government manages to effectively solve this problem in the manner which you describe you can go ahead and send me a PM. In mean time, you can keep disillusioning yourself by blaming liberals for preventing the execution of your magical silver bullet audit program run by the fed and paid for by the tax payers. You are deriving your argument based on your own speculation. I am basing mine off of people I know personally that are exposed to this kind of paperwork. You have no idea how easy it is to make everything completely untouchable until you have lived it yourself. No amount of paper chasing will help because it all looks just as clean if not cleaner than the paperwork coming from companies which use zero illegals for labor.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
If there people are subjects of a nation - their kid is by default a subject so tough shit.

Show me where that is written in law for every country. Show me why what you want is not taking the child of an illegal immigrant and dumping them somewhere else forcing them to become an illegal immigrant themselves in the country you dumb them in where they have zero citizenship due to where they were born.

Beyond that, I do realize that a degree of emotion is involved here. However, people have the right to those emotions. They have the right to act on them and be represented by them. Just like you. Let's take Cuba for example, by sending them back to Cuba they immediately get sent to Cuban prisons. Did you know that? Are you really able to look into the eyes of a set of hard working yet illegal Cuban parents and their young kids who are not sucking off the government's tit at all beyond not being taxed and tell them, "Sorry, you are and your child are going straight to a hellish Cuban prison because you are an illegal while I allow Mr. Legal white trash welfare sucking Joe Schmo over there to stick around freely."

The logical deduction here is awful.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
There is plenty of data to start with and obviously audits would be paperwork checks - which is not something that will be easy to hide from. Will it be perfect? no, but it'd be a hell of a lot more effective than doing NOTHING like we do now. You see, you keep trying to claim it won't be effective or some such nonsense but it's people like you who will cause it to be ineffective because you don't want it to work.

Tell you what. Let's just end this right here. The day that the government manages to effectively solve this problem in the manner which you describe you can go ahead and send me a PM. In mean time, you can keep disillusioning yourself by blaming liberals for preventing the execution of your magical silver bullet audit program run by the fed and paid for by the tax payers. You are deriving your argument based on your own speculation. I am basing mine off of people I know personally that are exposed to this kind of paperwork. You have no idea how easy it is to make everything completely untouchable until you have lived it yourself.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
If there people are subjects of a nation - their kid is by default a subject so tough shit.

Show me where that is written in law for every country. Show me why what you want is not taking the child of an illegal immigrant and dumping them somewhere else forcing them to become an illegal immigrant themselves.

Beyond that, I do realize that a degree of emotion is involved here. However, people have the right to those emotions. They have the right to act on them and be represented by them. Just like you. Let's take Cuba for example, by sending them back to Cuba they immediately get sent to Cuban prisons. Did you know that? Are you really able to look into the eyes of a set of hard working yet illegal Cuban parents and their young kids who are not sucking off the government's tit at all beyond not being taxed and tell them, "Sorry, you are and your child are going straight to a hellish Cuban prison because you are an illegal while I allow Mr. Legal white trash welfare sucking Joe Schmo over there to stick around freely."

The logical deduction here is awful.

Exactly - it won't happen because of people like you. People who won't allow logical actions to take place.

Again - it matters exactly ZERO what the other country's laws are. What matters is what ours is. Kids get deported with their parents. If their country won't let them out of customs - that is their problem. Harsh? maybe but just because your heart bleeds doesn't mean we need to bend/break our laws.
Again you can type up some sob story but it doesn't change the law. Maybe these people should think about the repercussions of their actions before they try to come here ILLEGALLY. Maybe they should try to change their own country instead of coming here ILLEGALLY and potentially put children in that position.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Exactly - it won't happen because of people like you. People who won't allow logical actions to take place.

Again - it matters exactly ZERO what the other country's laws are. What matters is what ours is. Kids get deported with their parents. If their country won't let them out of customs - that is their problem. Harsh? maybe but just because your heart bleeds doesn't mean we need to bend/break our laws.
Again you can type up some sob story but it doesn't change the law. Maybe these people should think about the repercussions of their actions before they try to come here ILLEGALLY. Maybe they should try to change their own country instead of coming here ILLEGALLY and potentially put children in that position.

You can continue to hate it all you want. It will never change anything. There are enough people in the US who feel a certain way about this matter and they have every right to do so just like you have every right to feel about it the way you do. These people deserve just as much representation as you do and they get it in this case.

It should also be noted that your solutions and the shared solution by many conservatives is not the only one out there which could solve this problem. There are some very realistic solutions out there which many libs agree with, but the problem is the conservatives stop it from happening. Sound familiar?

I say fuck all that shit. We have wasted far too much time bickering over not getting your cake and eating it too. Libs need to give in a little and so do conservatives. You are going to need to accept that the only kind of solution which is both effective and passes legislation will only ever be one which you will disagree with in part, but at least it will be effective. Can you live with that or not?


Also, don't think that these people have not considered the repercussions. They have even more than you ever would. It just so happens that they are in a spot where things are so bad and out of their control that they leave and take risks for the sake of their family, the future of their kids, and themselves. I don't blame them. I would leave to protect my family too if I were in their position. However, I also agree with the idea of the wall. I don't think we should just allow them to come in because they are in an awful situation. There needs to be conditions in place.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Exactly - it won't happen because of people like you. People who won't allow logical actions to take place.

Again - it matters exactly ZERO what the other country's laws are. What matters is what ours is. Kids get deported with their parents. If their country won't let them out of customs - that is their problem. Harsh? maybe but just because your heart bleeds doesn't mean we need to bend/break our laws.
Again you can type up some sob story but it doesn't change the law. Maybe these people should think about the repercussions of their actions before they try to come here ILLEGALLY. Maybe they should try to change their own country instead of coming here ILLEGALLY and potentially put children in that position.

You can continue to hate it all you want. It will never change anything. There are enough people in the US who feel a certain way about this matter and they have every right to do so just like you have every right to feel about it the way you do. These people deserve just as much representation as you do and they get it in this case.

It should also be noted that your solutions and the shared solution by many conservatives is not the only one out there which could solve this problem. There are some very realistic solutions out there which many libs agree with, but the problem is the conservatives stop it from happening. Sound familiar?

I say fuck all that shit. We have wasted far too much time bickering over not getting your cake and eating it too. Libs need to give in a little and so do conservatives. You are going to need to accept that the only kind of solution which is both effective and passes legislation will only ever be one which you will disagree with in part, but at least it will be effective. Can you live with that or not?

You can continue to distort and lie claiming "hate" but it doesn't change the facts.

I would love to hear a rational(not emotional) idea from you libs about this. One that upholds the law and actually addressed the problem. So far there has very little except amnesty and status quo.

And no, there is no "give a little" when it comes to the law. There is no "need" for "comprehensive immigration reform"(which is just veiled amnesty for the most part. There needs to be a push to end the intrusion and then work on reforming our immigration process. reforming the system first won't change a thing when there is no enforcement of the current law.
I can live with enforcing the law and any rational effort to actually fix this issue.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Exactly - it won't happen because of people like you. People who won't allow logical actions to take place.

Again - it matters exactly ZERO what the other country's laws are. What matters is what ours is. Kids get deported with their parents. If their country won't let them out of customs - that is their problem. Harsh? maybe but just because your heart bleeds doesn't mean we need to bend/break our laws.
Again you can type up some sob story but it doesn't change the law. Maybe these people should think about the repercussions of their actions before they try to come here ILLEGALLY. Maybe they should try to change their own country instead of coming here ILLEGALLY and potentially put children in that position.

You can continue to hate it all you want. It will never change anything. There are enough people in the US who feel a certain way about this matter and they have every right to do so just like you have every right to feel about it the way you do. These people deserve just as much representation as you do and they get it in this case.

It should also be noted that your solutions and the shared solution by many conservatives is not the only one out there which could solve this problem. There are some very realistic solutions out there which many libs agree with, but the problem is the conservatives stop it from happening. Sound familiar?

I say fuck all that shit. We have wasted far too much time bickering over not getting your cake and eating it too. Libs need to give in a little and so do conservatives. You are going to need to accept that the only kind of solution which is both effective and passes legislation will only ever be one which you will disagree with in part, but at least it will be effective. Can you live with that or not?

You can continue to distort and lie claiming "hate" but it doesn't change the facts.

I would love to hear a rational(not emotional) idea from you libs about this. One that upholds the law and actually addressed the problem. So far there has very little except amnesty and status quo.

And no, there is no "give a little" when it comes to the law. There is no "need" for "comprehensive immigration reform"(which is just veiled amnesty for the most part. There needs to be a push to end the intrusion and then work on reforming our immigration process. reforming the system first won't change a thing when there is no enforcement of the current law.
I can live with enforcing the law and any rational effort to actually fix this issue.

Sorry but it's you who is using an irrational and emotional argument. Why do you only focus on this particular law and not any of the other laws out there that many people violate? This shows you are using emotion/bias and not logical and rational arguments.

The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Exactly - it won't happen because of people like you. People who won't allow logical actions to take place.

Again - it matters exactly ZERO what the other country's laws are. What matters is what ours is. Kids get deported with their parents. If their country won't let them out of customs - that is their problem. Harsh? maybe but just because your heart bleeds doesn't mean we need to bend/break our laws.
Again you can type up some sob story but it doesn't change the law. Maybe these people should think about the repercussions of their actions before they try to come here ILLEGALLY. Maybe they should try to change their own country instead of coming here ILLEGALLY and potentially put children in that position.

You can continue to hate it all you want. It will never change anything. There are enough people in the US who feel a certain way about this matter and they have every right to do so just like you have every right to feel about it the way you do. These people deserve just as much representation as you do and they get it in this case.

It should also be noted that your solutions and the shared solution by many conservatives is not the only one out there which could solve this problem. There are some very realistic solutions out there which many libs agree with, but the problem is the conservatives stop it from happening. Sound familiar?

I say fuck all that shit. We have wasted far too much time bickering over not getting your cake and eating it too. Libs need to give in a little and so do conservatives. You are going to need to accept that the only kind of solution which is both effective and passes legislation will only ever be one which you will disagree with in part, but at least it will be effective. Can you live with that or not?

You can continue to distort and lie claiming "hate" but it doesn't change the facts.

I would love to hear a rational(not emotional) idea from you libs about this. One that upholds the law and actually addressed the problem. So far there has very little except amnesty and status quo.

And no, there is no "give a little" when it comes to the law. There is no "need" for "comprehensive immigration reform"(which is just veiled amnesty for the most part. There needs to be a push to end the intrusion and then work on reforming our immigration process. reforming the system first won't change a thing when there is no enforcement of the current law.
I can live with enforcing the law and any rational effort to actually fix this issue.

Sorry but it's you who is using an irrational and emotional argument. Why do you only focus on this particular law and not any of the other laws out there that many people violate? This shows you are using emotion/bias and not logical and rational arguments.

The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

It doesnt matter if you disagree with laws. They are there.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: StormRider
Sorry but it's you who is using an irrational and emotional argument. Why do you only focus on this particular law and not any of the other laws out there that many people violate? This shows you are using emotion/bias and not logical and rational arguments.

The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

What exactly is irrational and emotional about wanting the law to be followed? Also, hellfugginlo? This thread is about ILLEGALS - not murder, robbery, etc. Try keeping up.

lol, so exactly why do you feel it shouldn't be criminal? What else is it going to be? civil? Who has standing then? I'd really love to hear your defense of you last paragraph.

 

[First]

Deportation in any significant quantity won't happen, and they'll all be legal American citizens eventually. Thankfully this won't even be as major an issue by the next generation rolls around. Illegals provide a net economic benefit to the U.S. so they're definitely contributing more than their fair share in the first place. Minor problem for most Americans, except for dying conservatives.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: StormRider
Sorry but it's you who is using an irrational and emotional argument. Why do you only focus on this particular law and not any of the other laws out there that many people violate? This shows you are using emotion/bias and not logical and rational arguments.

The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

What exactly is irrational and emotional about wanting the law to be followed? Also, hellfugginlo? This thread is about ILLEGALS - not murder, robbery, etc. Try keeping up.

lol, so exactly why do you feel it shouldn't be criminal? What else is it going to be? civil? Who has standing then? I'd really love to hear your defense of you last paragraph.

Practicality and common sense.

Unfortunately, these are foreign concepts to a person like yourself who is adverse to using financial definitions in a finance debate.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: StormRider
Sorry but it's you who is using an irrational and emotional argument. Why do you only focus on this particular law and not any of the other laws out there that many people violate? This shows you are using emotion/bias and not logical and rational arguments.

The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

What exactly is irrational and emotional about wanting the law to be followed? Also, hellfugginlo? This thread is about ILLEGALS - not murder, robbery, etc. Try keeping up.

lol, so exactly why do you feel it shouldn't be criminal? What else is it going to be? civil? Who has standing then? I'd really love to hear your defense of you last paragraph.

Practicality and common sense.

.

What is practical about it? Why do you think it's common sense? Because you "feel" it is?

Oh and nice troll - I see you still can't think for yourself or understand more complex notions... meh... still not surprised.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Now is a good time to give them a 60 day warning after which they are rounded up and put in work camps. Think of all that labor, it would help in the recession, and it's not like they'd be slaves; they get to stay then, legally, in the US and work, which is what they wanted to do to begin with. Everyone wins.

And if they weren't willing to work hard enough in the internment camps you could always tell them "wollen sie nicht arbeiten, dann haben wir anderen metoden".

The labor IS helping you already, however, making them legals would pose a problem, no more slave labor salaries so i do understand why the US gov. wants to keep the status quo of how things are right now.

And no, they are not stealing a single fucking job.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Will it be perfect? no, but it'd be a hell of a lot more effective than doing NOTHING like we do now. You see, you keep trying to claim it won't be effective or some such nonsense but it's people like you who will cause it to be ineffective because you don't want it to work..

you are contradicting yourself...

In another thread, you believed the government shouldn't do anything to interfere with the market... and opposed the stimulus bill to try to jump start economy... what exactly is your priority? economy or immigrant?

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: StormRider
The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: NSFW
I would think that cracking down on this would be great for the job situation. In the short term, the government would need to hire additional agents to investigate and enforce the laws. Then as the jobs that the illegals were working freed up, Americans who are out of work could fill those jobs.

Please tell me where my thinking is flawed.

They're deporting themselves. We just need to hire a bunch of law abiding gunowners to make sure they don't put one toe on our side of the border, because if they do, their heads will be blown up.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
OP, why do you ask...do you need a job picking apples or asparagus? That's what most of the illegals do around here. Nobody I know would take that job.

Are you really so naive or do you think the rest of us are?? The ones you SEE are picking apples, but here are 1000 illegals (or more) in the country for every one you see picking apples.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Now is a good time to give them a 60 day warning after which they are rounded up and put in work camps. Think of all that labor, it would help in the recession, and it's not like they'd be slaves; they get to stay then, legally, in the US and work, which is what they wanted to do to begin with. Everyone wins.

And if they weren't willing to work hard enough in the internment camps you could always tell them "wollen sie nicht arbeiten, dann haben wir anderen metoden".

The labor IS helping you already, however, making them legals would pose a problem, no more slave labor salaries so i do understand why the US gov. wants to keep the status quo of how things are right now.

And no, they are not stealing a single fucking job.

And how would/could you possibly know that? You don't/can't.

Dismissed.

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Exactly - it won't happen because of people like you. People who won't allow logical actions to take place.

Again - it matters exactly ZERO what the other country's laws are. What matters is what ours is. Kids get deported with their parents. If their country won't let them out of customs - that is their problem. Harsh? maybe but just because your heart bleeds doesn't mean we need to bend/break our laws.
Again you can type up some sob story but it doesn't change the law. Maybe these people should think about the repercussions of their actions before they try to come here ILLEGALLY. Maybe they should try to change their own country instead of coming here ILLEGALLY and potentially put children in that position.

You can continue to hate it all you want. It will never change anything. There are enough people in the US who feel a certain way about this matter and they have every right to do so just like you have every right to feel about it the way you do. These people deserve just as much representation as you do and they get it in this case.

It should also be noted that your solutions and the shared solution by many conservatives is not the only one out there which could solve this problem. There are some very realistic solutions out there which many libs agree with, but the problem is the conservatives stop it from happening. Sound familiar?

I say fuck all that shit. We have wasted far too much time bickering over not getting your cake and eating it too. Libs need to give in a little and so do conservatives. You are going to need to accept that the only kind of solution which is both effective and passes legislation will only ever be one which you will disagree with in part, but at least it will be effective. Can you live with that or not?

You can continue to distort and lie claiming "hate" but it doesn't change the facts.

I would love to hear a rational(not emotional) idea from you libs about this. One that upholds the law and actually addressed the problem. So far there has very little except amnesty and status quo.

And no, there is no "give a little" when it comes to the law. There is no "need" for "comprehensive immigration reform"(which is just veiled amnesty for the most part. There needs to be a push to end the intrusion and then work on reforming our immigration process. reforming the system first won't change a thing when there is no enforcement of the current law.
I can live with enforcing the law and any rational effort to actually fix this issue.

Sorry but it's you who is using an irrational and emotional argument. Why do you only focus on this particular law and not any of the other laws out there that many people violate? This shows you are using emotion/bias and not logical and rational arguments.

The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

It doesnt matter if you disagree with laws. They are there.

Yes it does matter. It makes all the difference in the world. If we think some laws are wrong then we can change them.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Exactly - it won't happen because of people like you. People who won't allow logical actions to take place.

Again - it matters exactly ZERO what the other country's laws are. What matters is what ours is. Kids get deported with their parents. If their country won't let them out of customs - that is their problem. Harsh? maybe but just because your heart bleeds doesn't mean we need to bend/break our laws.
Again you can type up some sob story but it doesn't change the law. Maybe these people should think about the repercussions of their actions before they try to come here ILLEGALLY. Maybe they should try to change their own country instead of coming here ILLEGALLY and potentially put children in that position.

You can continue to hate it all you want. It will never change anything. There are enough people in the US who feel a certain way about this matter and they have every right to do so just like you have every right to feel about it the way you do. These people deserve just as much representation as you do and they get it in this case.

It should also be noted that your solutions and the shared solution by many conservatives is not the only one out there which could solve this problem. There are some very realistic solutions out there which many libs agree with, but the problem is the conservatives stop it from happening. Sound familiar?

I say fuck all that shit. We have wasted far too much time bickering over not getting your cake and eating it too. Libs need to give in a little and so do conservatives. You are going to need to accept that the only kind of solution which is both effective and passes legislation will only ever be one which you will disagree with in part, but at least it will be effective. Can you live with that or not?

You can continue to distort and lie claiming "hate" but it doesn't change the facts.

I would love to hear a rational(not emotional) idea from you libs about this. One that upholds the law and actually addressed the problem. So far there has very little except amnesty and status quo.

And no, there is no "give a little" when it comes to the law. There is no "need" for "comprehensive immigration reform"(which is just veiled amnesty for the most part. There needs to be a push to end the intrusion and then work on reforming our immigration process. reforming the system first won't change a thing when there is no enforcement of the current law.
I can live with enforcing the law and any rational effort to actually fix this issue.

Sorry but it's you who is using an irrational and emotional argument. Why do you only focus on this particular law and not any of the other laws out there that many people violate? This shows you are using emotion/bias and not logical and rational arguments.

The rational response would be to acknowledge that the law that "criminalizes" being in the US without official permission and working is unrealistic and in my opinion wrong. Yes, it's against the rules -- but "criminal"? I disagree with that.

It doesnt matter if you disagree with laws. They are there.

Yes it does matter. It makes all the difference in the world. If we think some laws are wrong then we can change them.

Then change them.

Go out in the middle of the street and get stoned in protest of pot being illegal. See what happens.