Would Rousey/Holm/Tate beat you in a fight?

[nexus5rocks]

Not necessarily you, but how about an average sized male with no formal martial arts training?

I'm 6'0, 190 pounds and I've taken a handful of BJJ and MT classes, just enough to know the basics.
My size/strength/reach still gives me the advantage over a 5'7" 135 pound woman, regardless of their training.

Their blows just won't have the same effect on someone with 50% more size, if they can even land a blow due to my reach advantage. On the ground, if they go for an arm bar or choke hold, they won't have the strength to execute it.

Am I underestimating the skill of a professionally trained female fighter?

 

[JSt0rm]

would you a 190lb 6 foot male beat up on a human being that is 5'7" 135lb women?

 

[twinrider1]

Yes, I think you are.
I doubt the average male has anything close to the cardio, speed, fighting skills, and maybe most importantly, pain tolerance of a pro fighter. This isn't holding the 10 year-old black belt at arm's length with your hand on his forehead.

 

[Charmonium]

Speed counts for more than power. If you're not fast enough, a head shot, even from a 135lb woman, is going to do some damage. She'll probably fracture every bone in her hand doing it, but she could do it. All she needs is one sharp move to either incapacitate you or knock you out. If someone is trained for that and they wanted blood, I wouldn't chance it. The odds might still be in my favor but not by enough to feel comfortable.

 

[JSt0rm]

plus in a street fight they can use small joint pressure holds/breaks. Good luck against a blackbelt jujitsu artist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIQaEDJWbpY

watch that.

she could kill him from that position

 

[Bubbleawsome]

They would all easily beat me. I'm a slightly out of shape 190lb 6'2" guy.

I think the important part is the training. If you take someone of nearly any size, but with enough training, they can beat most untrained people. A large reason for that is that marital arts focus on moves that can beat out size.

 

[nexus5rocks]

Yes, I think you are.
I doubt the average male has anything close to the cardio, speed, fighting skills, and maybe most importantly, pain tolerance of a pro fighter. This isn't holding the 10 year-old black belt at arm's length with your hand on his forehead.

Is it a lopsided battle where she will kick my ass without breaking a sweat?
Or is it a 9 fights out of 10, she'll win?

I imagine the fight will look something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig
Of course they're just sparring without throwing punches to the head.

 

[Insomniator]

Good question. If I had to guess I'd say they wouldn't break much of a sweat. If you aren't trained in fighting you are screwed. Good luck taking a real punch to the face (or 5 in a row) even if its from a 135lb woman.

 

[Captante]

I'm approx 5'10 & 200lbs decent shape no martial arts training.

I'm pretty sure both you and I would get our butts kicked.

 

[gorcorps]

not only will you get your ass kicked, but it'll be so humiliating that you'd most likely look into moving out of the country

your family will also deny you as one of their own

 

[cbrunny]

Is it a lopsided battle where she will kick my ass without breaking a sweat?
Or is it a 9 fights out of 10, she'll win?

I imagine the fight will look something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig
Of course they're just sparring without throwing punches to the head.

10 out of 10 she wins. In 8 out of 10 you die.

 

[Pacfanweb]

plus in a street fight they can use small joint pressure holds/breaks. Good luck against a blackbelt jujitsu artist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIQaEDJWbpY

watch that.

she could kill him from that position

Probably, but how did they arrive at that position in the first place? Did she beat him down, or were there others involved?

 

[Carson Dyle]

I doubt the average male has anything close to the cardio, speed, fighting skills, and maybe most importantly, pain tolerance of a pro fighter. This isn't holding the 10 year-old black belt at arm's length with your hand on his forehead.

This.

He couldn't last a full round before his hands are at his sides and he's standing flat-footed or leaning against the ropes/cage because he's unable to run any longer. Then: Womp. Womp. Womp. Womp. Like chopping down a tree. Except with a lot of blood.

Watch some heavyweight fights where there's no weight limit and watch a 210 lb fighter destroy some 300 lb guy who is out of shape. It's not over in 30 seconds, but it doesn't take long before the big guy has nothing left and then gets taken apart in little pieces.

 

[shabby]

would you a 190lb 6 foot male beat up on a human being that is 5'7" 135lb women?

Sure why not, equality right?

 

[Pacfanweb]

Speed counts for more than power. If you're not fast enough, a head shot, even from a 135lb woman, is going to do some damage. She'll probably fracture every bone in her hand doing it, but she could do it. All she needs is one sharp move to either incapacitate you or knock you out. If someone is trained for that and they wanted blood, I wouldn't chance it. The odds might still be in my favor but not by enough to feel comfortable.

Cardio is going to make the difference. A 6'2" 190lb guy in good shape is much stronger than any 135lb woman.

But can you chase her around the ring/octagon long enough to use that strength? Throwing a lot of punches wears you out.

If the woman fighter is smart, she dances around and wears the guy down.

If she is not, and goes in for the kill, she will probably lose. When there's that much of a size/strength differential, you don't rush in for the kill, though. Martial arts isn't some magic potion that will 100% make up for a large size/strength differential. It'll give her a very good chance, but it's darn sure no guarantee.

IMO, in this match up it'll depend on who is the aggressor and who lets the other one come to them.

Also will depend on which chick you fight: Holm is more of a boxer. That's what she's going to want to do. And that's exactly what someone who's NOT trained in fighting would want to avoid. She'd have the advantage in a stand-up fight. An amateur guy would be well-advised to get her on the mat, quickly.

Rousey likes to grapple, and that would be to her disadvantage with a larger, stronger man. Size/strength will overcome technique. Just watch her spar with other men, when she's doing situational stuff. The men just play with her, while she's totally going at it. Several videos out there. There's even one of her and a high school wrestler, and she has trouble with him.
It's not that she wouldn't have a chance with someone like the OP, or even somewhat of an advantage....just that his size/strength would definitely give him a chance against her that he wouldn't have against a male fighter of the same size.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Not necessarily you, but how about an average sized male with no formal martial arts training?

I'm 6'0, 190 pounds and I've taken a handful of BJJ and MT classes, just enough to know the basics.
My size/strength/reach still gives me the advantage over a 5'7" 135 pound woman, regardless of their training.

Their blows just won't have the same effect on someone with 50% more size, if they can even land a blow due to my reach advantage. On the ground, if they go for an arm bar or choke hold, they won't have the strength to execute it.

Am I underestimating the skill of a professionally trained female fighter?

:biggrin: You think you know the basics from what, 10 classes? Dunning-Kruger, and not in a good way. A full year of 3-4 nights a week, and you might be able to say you have some fundamentals. Depends on aptitude and work ethic.

I have watched skilled female athletes in the gyms I have trained, take the tall, muscular, new while belts, to school. They try to overpower the women, gas, and get smashed. Watching them tap multiple times in one 5 minute roll, then look like they just survived the Bataan death march when it is over, is gold.

no gi is better for being bigger and stronger, but again, if you lack the energy system to sustain it, you are going to have a bad time.

Stand up sparring - height, weight, and strength, matter more. But, if you lack skills and cardio, you will still get outworked, and out struck. Even if she lacks the power to drop you. If you have some fundamentals or natural punching power, you have the puncher's chance if you land a clean shot in an exchange. Beyond that you are unlikely to look good or impose your will.

 

[x26]

Not necessarily you, but how about an average sized male with no formal martial arts training?

I'm 6'0, 190 pounds and I've taken a handful of BJJ and MT classes, just enough to know the basics.
My size/strength/reach still gives me the advantage over a 5'7" 135 pound woman, regardless of their training.

Their blows just won't have the same effect on someone with 50% more size, if they can even land a blow due to my reach advantage. On the ground, if they go for an arm bar or choke hold, they won't have the strength to execute it.

Am I underestimating the skill of a professionally trained female fighter?

Unless you are Really, Really Exceptional--They(at least Holm and Rousey) would kick the everliving Shit out of you and Me--And I am one Bad Mutha-Fucka!!

 

[Fenixgoon]

absolutely. they know how to fight, i don't. i highly doubt my weight difference (+30 lbs) would be enough to make up for my total lack of skill.

 

[x26]

Is it a lopsided battle where she will kick my ass without breaking a sweat?
Or is it a 9 fights out of 10, she'll win?

I imagine the fight will look something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaehn1aY8Ig
Of course they're just sparring without throwing punches to the head.

They would kick the Shit out of you--Period.

 

[Udgnim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD8j9v3-eFU

Meisha Tate vs some non-MMA guys

don't know if any of them come close to 6 foot 190 lbs though

 

[nexus5rocks]

:biggrin: You think you know the basics from what, 10 classes? Dunning-Kruger, and not in a good way. A full year of 3-4 nights a week, and you might be able to say you have some fundamentals. Depends on aptitude and work ethic.

I have watched skilled female athletes in the gyms I have trained, take the tall, muscular, new while belts, to school. They try to overpower the women, gas, and get smashed. Watching them tap multiple times in one 5 minute roll, then look like they just survived the Bataan death march when it is over, is gold.

no gi is better for being bigger and stronger, but again, if you lack the energy system to sustain it, you are going to have a bad time.

Stand up sparring - height, weight, and strength, matter more. But, if you lack skills and cardio, you will still get outworked, and out struck. Even if she lacks the power to drop you. If you have some fundamentals or natural punching power, you have the puncher's chance if you land a clean shot in an exchange. Beyond that you are unlikely to look good or impose your will.

Actually, just 5 classes.
Also, sparring in a class is a lot different than a real fight.

 

[kage69]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD8j9v3-eFU

Meisha Tate vs some non-MMA guys

don't know if any of them come close to 6 foot 190 lbs though

lmao when she straddled that kids face, you see a brief flash of "hell yes!" in his eyes :biggrin:

Don't feel bad guys, she had experience and wrestling shoes on you!

 

[nexus5rocks]

Cardio is going to make the difference. A 6'2" 190lb guy in good shape is much stronger than any 135lb woman.

But can you chase her around the ring/octagon long enough to use that strength? Throwing a lot of punches wears you out.

If the woman fighter is smart, she dances around and wears the guy down.

If she is not, and goes in for the kill, she will probably lose. When there's that much of a size/strength differential, you don't rush in for the kill, though. Martial arts isn't some magic potion that will 100% make up for a large size/strength differential. It'll give her a very good chance, but it's darn sure no guarantee.

IMO, in this match up it'll depend on who is the aggressor and who lets the other one come to them.

Also will depend on which chick you fight: Holm is more of a boxer. That's what she's going to want to do. And that's exactly what someone who's NOT trained in fighting would want to avoid. She'd have the advantage in a stand-up fight. An amateur guy would be well-advised to get her on the mat, quickly.

Rousey likes to grapple, and that would be to her disadvantage with a larger, stronger man. Size/strength will overcome technique. Just watch her spar with other men, when she's doing situational stuff. The men just play with her, while she's totally going at it. Several videos out there. There's even one of her and a high school wrestler, and she has trouble with him.
It's not that she wouldn't have a chance with someone like the OP, or even somewhat of an advantage....just that his size/strength would definitely give him a chance against her that he wouldn't have against a male fighter of the same size.

Thanks for offering points counter to what most others are making. I question whether a woman would be able to easily submit a man much larger than her.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

I mean, if you have a massive weight advantage then you could just bodyslam them and win. There is a reason linemen are usually in the 300 pound range.

Anywhere near a similar weight class though and they'll win.

 

[nexus5rocks]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD8j9v3-eFU

Meisha Tate vs some non-MMA guys

don't know if any of them come close to 6 foot 190 lbs though

1. They appear to all be her size - she's actually bigger and taller than all of them - https://youtu.be/mf6SGfLs9cY?t=324
2. She has sneakers on
3. Why did they all have sleeve tattoos?