Because sleeve tattoos are all the rage nowadays.1. They appear to all be her size
2. She has sneakers on
3. Why did they all have sleeve tattoos?
I mean, if you have a massive weight advantage then you could just bodyslam them and win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD8j9v3-eFU
Meisha Tate vs some non-MMA guys
don't know if any of them come close to 6 foot 190 lbs though
That's why this always bothers me.
Honestly, my reach is far greater than theirs, all I need to do is grab an appendage and then swing them around like a rag doll and use their body as a club against walls or sit on them.
There's only so much you can do with a 65lb weight disadvantage that sheer power / weight / height won't just overcome.
anyone who thinks that any normal joe in good shape is going to be able to handle one of those 3 you are nuts or have no real idea.
I'm not sure of Taits background. but both HH and RR have a lifetime of training. A lifetime of getting thrown, hit and body conditioning.
i don't care if you are 6ft 200lbs of muscle. you are going to lose.
Watch the video of Rousey sparring with a high school wrestler. He's not going all out, and she has difficulty with him.
Usually for pro female athletes, a high school male is about where the competition vs a man becomes more even. Fighting has the added dimension of all the martial arts and how much experience one has in those, but I'd say even a good high school guy who's been training a few years could easily take Rousey.
Average dude in a cubicle? Probably not, though.
Not necessarily you, but how about an average sized male with no formal martial arts training?
I'm 6'0, 190 pounds and I've taken a handful of BJJ and MT classes, just enough to know the basics.
My size/strength/reach still gives me the advantage over a 5'7" 135 pound woman, regardless of their training.
Their blows just won't have the same effect on someone with 50% more size, if they can even land a blow due to my reach advantage. On the ground, if they go for an arm bar or choke hold, they won't have the strength to execute it.
Am I underestimating the skill of a professionally trained female fighter?
I'm 6'2", about 260 and when I roll with my Professor who's about 5'7" and 160 or so I get pwned over and over again. Now, I'm still a white belt with about a year of training and he's a 3 stripe black belt. Granted, we are not striking but from a technique perspective the difference in skill level is outstanding.
I don't think any of these women would have a problem slipping a punch and getting a takedown and choking a random untrained guy out. Once an untrained person hits the ground they are woefully unprepared for what a trained wrestler or BJJ artist can do.
Standing, everyone has a punchers chance but I'd guess if you of these ladies landed a good leg kick, most people would crumble.
Not necessarily you, but how about an average sized male with no formal martial arts training?
I'm 6'0, 190 pounds and I've taken a handful of BJJ and MT classes, just enough to know the basics.
My size/strength/reach still gives me the advantage over a 5'7" 135 pound woman, regardless of their training.
Their blows just won't have the same effect on someone with 50% more size, if they can even land a blow due to my reach advantage. On the ground, if they go for an arm bar or choke hold, they won't have the strength to execute it.
Am I underestimating the skill of a professionally trained female fighter?
Not necessarily you, but how about an average sized male with no formal martial arts training?
I'm 6'0, 190 pounds and I've taken a handful of BJJ and MT classes, just enough to know the basics.
My size/strength/reach still gives me the advantage over a 5'7" 135 pound woman, regardless of their training.
Their blows just won't have the same effect on someone with 50% more size, if they can even land a blow due to my reach advantage. On the ground, if they go for an arm bar or choke hold, they won't have the strength to execute it.
Am I underestimating the skill of a professionally trained female fighter?
Cardio is going to make the difference. A 6'2" 190lb guy in good shape is much stronger than any 135lb woman.
But can you chase her around the ring/octagon long enough to use that strength? Throwing a lot of punches wears you out.
If the woman fighter is smart, she dances around and wears the guy down.
If she is not, and goes in for the kill, she will probably lose. When there's that much of a size/strength differential, you don't rush in for the kill, though. Martial arts isn't some magic potion that will 100% make up for a large size/strength differential. It'll give her a very good chance, but it's darn sure no guarantee.
IMO, in this match up it'll depend on who is the aggressor and who lets the other one come to them.
Also will depend on which chick you fight: Holm is more of a boxer. That's what she's going to want to do. And that's exactly what someone who's NOT trained in fighting would want to avoid. She'd have the advantage in a stand-up fight. An amateur guy would be well-advised to get her on the mat, quickly.
Rousey likes to grapple, and that would be to her disadvantage with a larger, stronger man. Size/strength will overcome technique. Just watch her spar with other men, when she's doing situational stuff. The men just play with her, while she's totally going at it. Several videos out there. There's even one of her and a high school wrestler, and she has trouble with him.
It's not that she wouldn't have a chance with someone like the OP, or even somewhat of an advantage....just that his size/strength would definitely give him a chance against her that he wouldn't have against a male fighter of the same size.
I think you are underestimating the skill and technique of a trained female fighter. My son takes isshin ryu karate from a female sho dan (4th degree black belt) who is ~55 years old. I've held blocker pads for her during kicking drills on many occasions. Once I asked her during class if she would demonstrate a full force kick. She asked me (with a slight smile) if "I was sure I was up for it," to which I responded "sure!" I should have known better. She did a few full force front snap kicks that forced me to step back a few times. Then she did a full force spinning back kick and knocked me flat on my ass. What's more, she executed that back kick so fast that I really don't think I could have blocked it even if I knew it was coming. Which means that in a street fight, I likely would have taken that kick in the nads and would have been down in one shot.
FWIW, I am 6'2, 220lbs and years ago I studied Kung Fu and Hap Ki Do up to the brown belt level. In contrast my son's sensei is 5' 6" and maybe 135lbs. But she is hard as a rock and hits like a ton of bricks.
No woman that size would beat me (200lbs) in a fight unless they hit me in the balls and/or had a weapon. I squat and deadlift 500 lbs, pause bench 320 and lift weights for 2-3 hours at a time depending on the day. Assuming they could withstand a knockout blow to the face, I would muscle through any of her defenses to front mount and then have my way. Let's assume I couldn't get through her defense - I'd just pick em up, run with speed and slam them with such force (into wall or ground) it'd knock the wind out of them and then have my way. Hell, I was chatting with a pro MMA fighter and he said he wouldn't mess with a competitive powerlifter unless he had to. Strength at peak levels is downright dangerous since you can break through holds and slam because of phenomenal core strength.
That's like asking if Robbie Lawler could take on Zydrunas or Brian Shaw. Lawler would shit his pants.
Yes, it actually would. Because strongmen are just as conditioned as UFC fighters but with insane strength. If they ever grabbed Lawler it's over. Pick up, bear hug, it's over. Or just break through any defense to front mount. There are limits to BJJ defenses when it comes to raw strength and being overpowered. A strongman's arms are stronger than UFC fighters legs and any hit to a strongman's core won't do shit from a 150lb man to a 440lb man (Brian Shaw's weight). UFC fighter's only option is to go for KO to the jaw, submission isn't going to work. Could they get lucky? Sure, but I'm telling you statistically what would most likely happen.I would pay to watch that fight. I don't think it'd end how you expect.
You really think you can control a pro female fighter by grabbing them? Or hold them down by sitting on them? You guys are too much fun!That's why this always bothers me.
Honestly, my reach is far greater than theirs, all I need to do is grab an appendage and then swing them around like a rag doll and use their body as a club against walls or sit on them.
There's only so much you can do with a 65lb weight disadvantage that sheer power / weight / height won't just overcome.