Would there be any downside

Newbian

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They help spread disease to maintain population of some creatures but that's about it.

Not to mention if we remove bloodsucking creatures like that then the insult would be less insulting when we use it to describe lawyers.
 

Red Squirrel

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I can't see any disadvantage. They might be for food for some animals/bugs, but I imagine they are not their only source of food.

My theory is that when God created everything, he let Satan create just one thing, and it was mosquitoes.
 

KeithP

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Seems like there is nothing but downside to expending resources in trying to do the impossible.

-KeithP
 

Eli

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There would be, certainly. We don't have to eliminate them, though. Just modify them so they can't carry the diseases anymore. Both are options that we could carry out right now, if there weren't checks and balances in place to prevent it. Which admittedly is probably a good thing, since eliminating them would be the easiest thing to do.

I am all for this type of intervention. I do think we should be careful, but this isn't much of a slippery slope. Mosquitoes in particular cause immense human suffering. We've already done untold damage to our ecosystems, why stop now. Nobody would miss the mosquito even if we did decide to wipe it out, and the few species specifically dependent on them would just be the casualties of war I guess.
 

Carson Dyle

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No, you don't wipe out a major species at the bottom of the food chain without some significant consequences. Probably numerous impossible to predict consequences.
 

dighn

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No, you don't wipe out a major species at the bottom of the food chain without some significant consequences. Probably numerous impossible to predict consequences.

Yep it's all a very finely balanced system. It would probably cause major disruptions. I would guess aside from population control, it's a major food source for a lot of animals.
 
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Being moderately serious couldn't we look at times of heavy DDT use in the US to see what happens when the majority of mosquitoes and ticks are removed?
 

norseamd

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to eliminating all mosquitoes and ticks on earth?

I have actually thought about this question.

Naturally getting rid of any particular species is a very risky business, as it could cause massive fuckups of the whole ecological system, but mosquitos and ticks are not ants, bees, or flies, so there might not be that much harm, other than less food for frogs, but they could very well be a very huge food source for a lot of animals and even some plants.
 

BxgJ

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I can't see any disadvantage. They might be for food for some animals/bugs, but I imagine they are not their only source of food.

My theory is that when God created everything, he let Satan create just one thing, and it was mosquitoes.

And fire ants.
 

destrekor

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There would be, certainly. We don't have to eliminate them, though. Just modify them so they can't carry the diseases anymore. Both are options that we could carry out right now, if there weren't checks and balances in place to prevent it. Which admittedly is probably a good thing, since eliminating them would be the easiest thing to do.

I am all for this type of intervention. I do think we should be careful, but this isn't much of a slippery slope. Mosquitoes in particular cause immense human suffering. We've already done untold damage to our ecosystems, why stop now. Nobody would miss the mosquito even if we did decide to wipe it out, and the few species specifically dependent on them would just be the casualties of war I guess.

Yeah, we can genetically modify and release them to breed with the native population. I think some scientists already think they have an actual solution drawn up to do just that for mosquitoes, but, as you said, there's a lot of ethical debate and government concern on implementing such a plan.

That's fully understandable, considering that's where we got Africanized Honey Bees. Granted, it was more hybridization and selective breeding than straight up genetic engineering. It was an attempt to make a more hardy bee that could produce more honey. Turns out, they were just that, but incredibly defensive like their African counterparts, and they broke quarantine and began their march across the Americas, hybridizing existing colonies by mating with the new queens when old queens died.

Oddly enough, Brazil is trying to create a more docile Africanized bee, through the same selective breeding practices that Americans and Europeans previously used to create a docile bee for use in bee keeping.

I think, with the mosquitoes, they went beyond selective breeding and introduced genes that made them safer for us. I can't recall what they did, but they did manage to accomplish it IIRC, and all they have to do is let the males out in the wild (males do not bite), and when they breed with females, the new offspring will carry the same genetic traits.

I think as long as we aren't introducing this method using a highly aggressive species or one that can host even more diseases, then not much can really go wrong. It's not killing them off, just, essentially, taming them.

Frankly, I say just kill off the mosquito species that can survive on blood and blood alone. Leave the rest of the mosquitoes that rely on nectar, who will surely breed to replace the lost population, helping to minimize long-term unforeseen ecological impacts.
 

TheGardener

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Future AI robots will come to the conclusion that mosquitoes and ticks don't bother them, and it will be much easier to eliminate those complaining homo sapiens.

This year, because of their return, I am reminded of the attempt 130 years ago to cross breed a new silk spinning caterpillars. It resulted in today's gypsy moth. The Killer bees is another example. History shows us that our attempts modify species is likely to backfire on us. Genetic engineering just raises the bar for screw ups.
 

Red Squirrel

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I bought a bug zapper with intention of controlling them around the area when we have a camp fire, but turns out the UV light does not attract them. I got every bug except for mosquitoes. I heard a mix of yeast and sugar can attract mosquitoes as it supposedly creates CO2, which they are attracted to. Anyone ever try this? I could probably put that mixture in the dead bug compartment of the bug zapper.

I'm thinking the key is not to completely eliminate them, just find ways to area kill most of them.

They make propane powered foggers as well, but that could get expensive to run. Bug zappers are cheap or even free to run if you run them off solar at camp.
 

Ruptga

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Yep it's all a very finely balanced system. It would probably cause major disruptions. I would guess aside from population control, it's a major food source for a lot of animals.

Fuck mosquitoes. Life finds a way, and since we're already stuck with the negatives of ecosystems changing in other ways we might as well get something good out of the deal.

Plus, there's a good chance that mosquitoes are why red meat causes inflammation and cancer in humans. 2 million years ago we evolved a thing that was very effective at resisting then-current strains of malaria, and it had the side effect of making us react to meat. For this offense alone mosquitoes should be purged from the planet.
 

Imp

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I bought a bug zapper with intention of controlling them around the area when we have a camp fire, but turns out the UV light does not attract them. I got every bug except for mosquitoes. I heard a mix of yeast and sugar can attract mosquitoes as it supposedly creates CO2, which they are attracted to. Anyone ever try this? I could probably put that mixture in the dead bug compartment of the bug zapper.

"Plastic bottle mosquito trap." Google it.

Disgusting.
 

KMFJD

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Add black flies to this list please....way worse than mosquitoes up north....
 
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