Would this ever happen in America?

[Bu B3ar]

Text I read this twice...then pinched myself...then read it again...

Do you think this would ever happen in America?

 

[dullard]

Warren Buffet wants to pay more taxes.

Same with Bill Gates.

Our wealthiest usually call for more taxes on the wealthy. It is usually only those who WANT to be wealthy that call for less taxes on the wealthy.

 

[Miramonti]

Plenty of rich people do. Yet they get tax cuts and it makes them laugh.

 

[Bu B3ar]

Originally posted by: dullard
Warren Buffet wants to pay more taxes.

Same with Bill Gates.

Our wealthiest usually call for more taxes on the wealthy. It is usually only those who WANT to be wealthy that call for less taxes on the wealthy.

article is two years old, lets see if he still says that after losing a good chunk of his wealth in the downturn. also, didnt see him throwing demonstrations to back it...

 

[JDub02]

the funny thing is that they can send checks to the IRS now, if they wanted to.

i wish they'd put their money where their own mouth is and stop volunteering mine. i need lower taxes, not higher. I pay between 35-40% of my income in taxes right now .. not counting sales tax, higher prices because of other companies' taxes, etc. i'd put the total figure well over 50%.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Bu B3ar
article is two years old, lets see if he still says that after losing a good chunk of his wealth in the downturn. also, didnt see him throwing demonstrations to back it...

I completely trash your premise, and this is the best rebuttal you have?

I would think that when "Buffett urged the Senate Finance Committee" it had far more influence than throwing a couple of random demonstrations.

 

[rudder]

Why would they want to pay more in taxes? This is ridiculous. Why would you want to send money to an inefficient government that will waste all that extra tax revenue. If these people wanted to do good (aware of Bill Gates foundation et al.) why not give more of their money to charity? A lot of charities have very low overhead and can help people more directly that the federal government.

 

[Miramonti]

Keep it in context...many rich people want all rich to pay more taxes, they aren't crying for just themselves to be able to give it up.

They are willing to make the sacrifice if others do as well, but aren't exactly going to give it out to the govt. voluntarily without systematic change.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: JDub02
the funny thing is that they can send checks to the IRS now, if they wanted to.

So if a sports team felt that a rule was unfair, they should start all games with the score being 10 to 0 in protest? No, that is not what you do. You play by the rules as they are, while trying to change the rules. You don't sabatoge yourself which accomplishes nothing for your goals. One person paying more tax won't do a thing for the country (even Buffet). But getting all of the wealthy to pay more tax will do a major thing.

 

[Bu B3ar]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Bu B3ar
article is two years old, lets see if he still says that after losing a good chunk of his wealth in the downturn. also, didnt see him throwing demonstrations to back it...

I completely trash your premise, and this is the best rebuttal you have?

I would think that when "Buffett urged the Senate Finance Committee" it had far more influence than throwing a couple of random demonstrations.

ok, then how about this quote from that article:

"More then 25 billionaires including Ted Turner and Michael Bloomberg declined to talk to ABC News. But some of them sounded off to Forbes magazine. One suggested that Buffett should keep to his area of expertise, calling his ideas "grossly simplistic." Another wondered whether Buffett is going senile. "

So, there goes your premise that our wealthiest 'usually call for more taxes'....does that make you feel more rebuked?

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Bu B3ar
So, there goes your premise that our wealthiest 'usually call for more taxes'....does that make you feel more rebuked?

Your point: Do you think this would ever happen in America?
My point: I provide a very specific example of it happening in America.

And you claim that I'm the one rebuked? There are even entire organizations of the wealthy calling for more tax.

 

[Bu B3ar]

Originally posted by: rudder
Why would they want to pay more in taxes? This is ridiculous. Why would you want to send money to an inefficient government that will waste all that extra tax revenue. If these people wanted to do good (aware of Bill Gates foundation et al.) why not give more of their money to charity? A lot of charities have very low overhead and can help people more directly that the federal government.

i like your idea. personally, i dont care who the money goes to, as long as it does some good. i think the uber-wealthy do have way to much money and **oh no here comes some socialist speak, grab your torches and pitchforks** should distribute it to the less fortunate masses. gov't would gobble up half of it creating more beaurocracy to figure out how to distribute the new money

 

[Bu B3ar]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Bu B3ar
So, there goes your premise that our wealthiest 'usually call for more taxes'....does that make you feel more rebuked?

Your point: Do you think this would ever happen in America?
My point: I provide a very specific example of it happening in America.

And you claim that I'm the one rebuked?

maybe i stroked off for a second there...where did you show this happened in America? one man? well, i guess two if you count Bill Gates...but yea, far from a resounding cry of mass support. theres an exception to every rule, and im glad Buffet took that stand, but the point was more like, would you see a committee of rich American's lobbying for more taxes? I've never seen it...

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Bu B3ar
maybe i stroked off for a second there...where did you show this happened in America?

Look at my post at 9:45 am Eastern time (post #11) before you wrote your post. I give a link to an organization with hundreds of the wealthy calling for more tax. Here is another example, from 2009, the Netflix CEO wants more taxes. Edgar Bronfman (founder of Distillers Corporation Limited that owns Seagrams) wants more taxes. The fact is the wealthiest of the wealthy are more Democratic than Republican. They voted for Obama, and they've voted for other Democrats. I can keep going, but I doubt that you'll listen. At some point, I need to stop kicking you while you are down.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Bu B3ar

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Bu B3ar
So, there goes your premise that our wealthiest 'usually call for more taxes'....does that make you feel more rebuked?

Your point: Do you think this would ever happen in America?
My point: I provide a very specific example of it happening in America.

And you claim that I'm the one rebuked?

maybe i stroked off for a second there...where did you show this happened in America? one man? well, i guess two if you count Bill Gates...but yea, far from a resounding cry of mass support. theres an exception to every rule, and im glad Buffet took that stand, but the point was more like, would you see a committee of rich American's lobbying for more taxes? I've never seen it...

Yet it is true.

MPR hosted a call-in show after a group of wealthy Americans called for repeal of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.

Sorry, no link, but it always helps to do some research before arguing that something does not exist in America...you'll usually be surprised.

Cheers.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Taxes are a investment in the government.

If you feel that you are getting a decent ROI, then higher taxes may be acceptable.

If you feel your investment is being wasted, then why increase your investment and you may want to decrease it.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Taxes are a investment in the government.

If you feel that you are getting a decent ROI, then higher taxes may be acceptable.

If you feel your investment is being wasted, then why increase your investment and you may want to decrease it.

True, that is why most groups of wealthy tax payers willing to pay more would like the money targeted to specific areas, such as education and health care.

Oh my God! Were talking Earmarks.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: JDub02
the funny thing is that they can send checks to the IRS now, if they wanted to.

i wish they'd put their money where their own mouth is and stop volunteering mine. i need lower taxes, not higher. I pay between 35-40% of my income in taxes right now .. not counting sales tax, higher prices because of other companies' taxes, etc. i'd put the total figure well over 50%.

QFT. We are paying higher local (state/county/city) taxes and fees right now due to current economic conditition. Local governments are facing shortfalls and in order to balance their books, they raise the taxes and fees and cut back in service.

I do NOT have any problem for any people who are rich, poor, middleclass who want to pay more in taxes. Hey, whatever rocks your boat, go for it, good for you.

I do have problem with they want to take me with them to the higher tax promise land.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Taxes are a investment in the government.

If you feel that you are getting a decent ROI, then higher taxes may be acceptable.

If you feel your investment is being wasted, then why increase your investment and you may want to decrease it.

Federal taxes are to run the country.

 

[Insomniator]

Anyone who wants to give MORE money to our government is a complete idiot. End of story, period.

1. Why the hell would you give money to an obviously failing and corrupt system. (wait the government already stole our money and did it for us)
2. Why the hell would you want the government to be BIGGER and more involved in our lives? Even if the gov. wasn't pathetic, do we need new parents when we move out of the house? I guess some people actually do...


If you saw some crazy homeless guy throwing money into a sewer drain, would you give him some more money when he turned around and asked you for it? NO, and thats basically what our gov (and ALL governments) do, throw money in the sewer.

 

[God Mode]

Wealthy: I got mine and don't experience any problems of which you fags speak of so it's impossible for it to exist. Stop being lazy and earn your way up. Just ignore the fact that I'll do anything in my power along with the courts and my star lawyers to litigate and prevent you from reaching any significant goal. I own all those ideas from A-Z you know. Something new? Forget it, I had that idea before you and its pretty much the same as my old idea anyway.

 

[God Mode]

Originally posted by: Insomniator
Anyone who wants to give MORE money to our government is a complete idiot. End of story, period.

1. Why the hell would you give money to an obviously failing and corrupt system. (wait the government already stole our money and did it for us)
2. Why the hell would you want the government to be BIGGER and more involved in our lives? Even if the gov. wasn't pathetic, do we need new parents when we move out of the house? I guess some people actually do...


If you saw some crazy homeless guy throwing money into a sewer drain, would you give him some more money when he turned around and asked you for it? NO, and thats basically what our gov (and ALL governments) do, throw money in the sewer.

So who else can step up to the plate and maintain our stable society allowing you (and many others) to do business? The problem with your train of thought is that you want things to return to the anarchy/feudal periods where the strongest pretty much raped and used force to get what they want. This is even more backwards than any religion.

 

[Gunslinger08]

It amazes me how stupid a lot of rich people are.

 

[MagicConch]

this is what you do right after you "give away" your wealth to your self-created charity and put your family on the board, funnelling income to them through this structure and future generations while dodging estate taxes while promising your real goal is to help the world. these people don't want to pay more taxes, they want to shift as much tax burden off themselves as possible (can bet they want income taxes specifically in braket amounts larger than what their insitituitions will distribute to their famililes) . This is why these superrich guys also seem so upset about the repeal of estate taxes. I love how they pretend they worry about the fiscal situation of the govt when they are really thinking wtf if this happens I did all this giving for nothing!

 

[Insomniator]

Originally posted by: God Mode

Originally posted by: Insomniator
Anyone who wants to give MORE money to our government is a complete idiot. End of story, period.

1. Why the hell would you give money to an obviously failing and corrupt system. (wait the government already stole our money and did it for us)
2. Why the hell would you want the government to be BIGGER and more involved in our lives? Even if the gov. wasn't pathetic, do we need new parents when we move out of the house? I guess some people actually do...


If you saw some crazy homeless guy throwing money into a sewer drain, would you give him some more money when he turned around and asked you for it? NO, and thats basically what our gov (and ALL governments) do, throw money in the sewer.

So who else can step up to the plate and maintain our stable society allowing you (and many others) to do business? The problem with your train of thought is that you want things to return to the anarchy/feudal periods where the strongest pretty much raped and used force to get what they want. This is even more backwards than any religion.

I don't suggest that there be no gov. at all. What I know is not the answer however, is for everyone to just pay more money into it. What exactly will that accomplish?