Would you buy a 335i?

[DivideBYZero]

yes, get a 3 series so you can further cement the fact that every 20 something or 30 something that wants to be cool gets a 3 series and then when it has problems, can't afford to keep up with it and bitches and moans when something goes wrong.

Yeah.


And fast? Please.

A month ago i had some kids in a 3 series trying to get me to race them, they were trying to be cool and all. I had about the best laugh that day. But then, i was driving a clk55 amg, that was bought at auction for a lot less then the price of the 335i.

But please do join the "i own a 3 series crowd", we really get a good laugh about it. We do.

wtf?!

 

[theblackbox]

You sir, are a idiot.

no, just worked enough around them to know better. i spent three weeks with their new beta system ista/p for programming the cars, and working with their 3gio.
i would rather deal with benz and their systems, their cars and all they offer.

for the same price at auction you could pick up an audi a8, a real enthusiasts car. great car, too. far underestimated for what it is and they don't hold their value, which is too bad.

but if you want the psuedo status symbol, yeah, do a 3 series.

 

[exdeath]

Rather have a E46 M3. Not terribly excited about anything recent. HPF can equalize the performance differences.

 

[woodie1]

yes, get a 3 series so you can further cement the fact that every 20 something or 30 something that wants to be cool gets a 3 series and then when it has problems, can't afford to keep up with it and bitches and moans when something goes wrong.

yeah.


and fast? please.

a month ago i had some kids in a 3 series trying to get me to race them, they were trying to be cool and all. i had about the best laugh that day. but then, i was driving a clk55 amg, that was bought at auction for a lot less then the price of the 335i.

but please do join the "i own a 3 series crowd", we really get a good laugh about it. we do.

Get over yourself. No matter what you drive there is always someone faster than you.

 

[SSSnail]

no, just worked enough around them to know better. i spent three weeks with their new beta system ista/p for programming the cars, and working with their 3gio.
i would rather deal with benz and their systems, their cars and all they offer.

for the same price at auction you could pick up an audi a8, a real enthusiasts car. great car, too. far underestimated for what it is and they don't hold their value, which is too bad.

but if you want the psuedo status symbol, yeah, do a 3 series.

There's just so much ignorance in your posts, I won't bother with replies.

 

[theblackbox]

Get over yourself. No matter what you drive there is always someone faster than you.

absolutely. saw a nice sl65 amg black that was going up for sale, yeah. there is always something faster. always will be.

but working around them and their owners, you learn a lot real quick.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

no, just worked enough around them to know better. i spent three weeks with their new beta system ista/p for programming the cars, and working with their 3gio.
i would rather deal with benz and their systems, their cars and all they offer.

for the same price at auction you could pick up an audi a8, a real enthusiasts car. great car, too. far underestimated for what it is and they don't hold their value, which is too bad.

but if you want the psuedo status symbol, yeah, do a 3 series.

AMG has its place as an autobahn rocket, BMW has its place as track monsters, your point?

 

[theblackbox]

There's just so much ignorance in your posts, I won't bother with replies.

more likely, you don't have an answer because you don't have a clue.

their 2g system was much better, the new system is a headache and in most cases doesn't work or is horribly slow.

and the a8 is one hell of a car. especially if you get one cheap.

 

[SSSnail]

Rather have a E46 M3. Not terribly excited about anything recent.

This is an enthusiast's car, which I will get soon. My only regret is that instead of the 330Ci, I should have gotten the M.

For the ignoramuses out there, the 3 series BMW is the performance series of BMWs. That means a 335i will be faster than a 535i, M3 will be faster than M5, etc... A few posts on this forum had me chuckle, posts full of demeaning innuendos such as "entry lvl". Honestly, do you what the difference between a 330Ci vs. a 530i would be? Or 335i vs. 535i would be? That's right, two more doors and heavier.

You have to be an utter idiot to think that most enthusiast buy a three series for its "badge". Granted a lot of people do, but those that know bought the car for the driving experience that many others don't offer.

I can guarantee that I'll put ANY Mercedes into limp mode if you trail me on a mountain path. And my car only has a measly 225 BHP, take me up on that challenge?

Box, I will not respond to you, simply because I'd feel as if I'm not talking to a car enthusiast, but to a bargain basement hunting twat.

 

[theblackbox]

I can guarantee that I'll put ANY Mercedes into limp mode if you trail me on a mountain path. And my car only has a measly 225 BHP, take me up on that challenge?

Box, I will not respond to you, simply because I'd feel as if I'm not talking to a car enthusiast, but to a bargain basement hunting twat.

first, mountain path? you kidding me. where i live the mountain paths wouldn't suit the low ground clearence of most benz or bimmers.


second. are you kidding? bargain basement hunting twat? just because you can pick it up a lot cheaper if you know what you are doing doesn't make you anything like that. kind of makes you smart if you can get the same thing for a lot less, yes, bmw included. most people that buy through my friends don't buy new, and they have a lot of money to waste.

speaking of which, i believe they still have that vanquish for sale, pretty good deal, too.

most people buy bmw 3 series for status, not all most. i won't generalize. and most are young people who have no sense and only imagine they can actually drive a car for what its worth. there are a few that however, do.

if you want to come up to a "mountain path" by me, you are more then welcome to, but i'll bring my fj40 because the paths here in the "mountains" don't favor ground effects and "performance" cars.

 

[theblackbox]

and you can hurl your insults and call me names all you want, thats cool.
i've worked around them, in them and with them, both the cars and the company, and while they have some pretty nice cars, i'm not impressed. as a company, they lack.

just speaking from experience on the other side.

 

[SSSnail]

You assume that you're the only one that works on and with cars, this is ATOT Garage, check your ego at the door buddy. Although some of the posts by some members beg to differ, but do yourself that favor, you won't come off like a moron.

 

[theblackbox]

and, sssnail, to tell you the truth, i've seen some ungodly things done with some cars you wouldn't expect. it comes down to the driver. my friend, who handles porche, benz, bmw and audi recently took another friends denali xl and put some pretty impressive driving skills to the task.
it's all about the driver, not the car. personally, i wouldn't and couldn't come anywhere close unless you want to go wheeling, then i'm all there, but i let the professional drivers do the professional driving.
and i never said that others didn't work with cars, i imagine anyone dealing with 3gio would say the same thing i did.

 

[theblackbox]

but then, i forget, this is AT, everyone is rich, has a model girlfriend or wife, and drives professionally. thats just the way it is.

 

[SSSnail]

So, humor us, what do you do on "3gio" that makes you blurt out all these unintelligible verses?

 

[StageLeft]

You have to be an utter idiot to think that most enthusiast buy a three series for its "badge". Granted a lot of people do, but those that know bought the car for the driving experience that many others don't offer.

This is impossible to quantify but let it simply be said I disagree; I think the badge is a major influence. They want to say "I own a BMW". I knew a guy once with a 70's Corvette he had fixed up. I asked him how fast he had it up to. He said "About 90mph". Fvcking sad. I have done quicker in a minivan.

 

[theblackbox]

So, humor us, what do you do on "3gio" that makes you blurt out all these unintelligible verses?

3gio is the new way bmw has offered to program the cars and run diagnostics on the cars. it's split into two parts, ista which is the diagnostic, and ista-p, the programming side, so if there are any updates, you can reprogram the car systems.
unlike the older system, which required a server and a head, the new system allows you to do it all over the internet, using bmw servers in munich.

needless to say, it gives you a bad taste, setting up, getting it to work and using it. but, i will give them the fact it is still in beta. it gives independents a chance to use the same equipment bmw provides.

hopefully, once they get it done and full, it will be a lot easier to dell with, but it's a headache right now.
kind of like installing TIS on windows 7.
(i won't hold that against them, benz wiring programs have the same issues running in win 7, gotta love those germans. )


this is only important since working on newer cars, especially bmw, which some of the models have some of the most amazing computer systems there are, even controlling brightness and length of brake light usage, not too many people "work" on their own anymore, and rely on technology to work on them and keep them running.




and skoorb, you are right, i know and have met many a bmw, porsche, and benz owner that bought it for the supposed status. they are the kind of people that couldn't get a second look otherwise. (note: i am not saying this is the case with everyone, but there are a good number of them out there.)

 

[PhoKingGuy]

Why the fuck should I care that you hate BMWs because they use some complex computer system I never have to use or think about? That's what the germans pay you for, if you dont like it you dont have to work for them

 

[theblackbox]

Why the fuck should I care that you hate BMWs because they use some complex computer system I never have to use or think about? That's what the germans pay you for, if you dont like it you dont have to work for them

with newer cars it becomes a concern. a lot of issues are quickly handled within the computer. ideally, it should all be great and carefree, but it isn't.

but thanks for the brilliant ray of light you provided.

 

[SSSnail]

Why the fuck should I care that you hate BMWs because they use some complex computer system I never have to use or think about? That's what the germans pay you for, if you dont like it you dont have to work for them

The funny thing is, it's a new standard, or protocol if you will, and he still hasn't told us wtf he does with it. All I'm seeing is hearsay perhaps from other people telling it.

Unless he has a hand in the development of it, which I highly freaking doubt, implementing anything shouldn't be harder than anything you're paid to do if you're a specialist. Which brings me to the point of this, why the bitching? It's a standard much like firewire, or USB2... Probably is used in the new CAN systems, which utilize gateways for sensors to communicate and share information, to come up with "intelligent driving" instead of relying on programmed cell data. And, what the heck does a communication standard has ANYTHING to do with the driving dynamics of a car?

Something is amiss when people don't tell you specifics, and just go on a tangent about "auctions" and throwing around acronyms, on a tech forum much less.

Sometimes, people just hate on things they don't know or don't understand. It's evident in this thread, as some posters never even have experience with the cars in question.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

The funny thing is, it's a new standard, or protocol if you will, and he still hasn't told us wtf he does with it. All I'm seeing is hearsay perhaps from other people telling it.

Unless he has a hand in the development of it, which I highly freaking doubt, implementing anything shouldn't be harder than anything you're paid to do if you're a specialist. Which brings me to the point of this, why the bitching? It's a standard much like firewire, or USB2... Probably is used in the new CAN systems, which utilize gateways for sensors to communicate and share information, to come up with "intelligent driving" instead of relying on programmed cell data. And, what the heck does a communication standard has ANYTHING to do with the driving dynamics of a car?

Something is amiss when people don't tell you specifics, and just go on a tangent about "auctions" and throwing around acronyms, on a tech forum much less.

Sometimes, people just hate on things they don't know or don't understand. It's evident in this thread, as some posters never even have experience with the cars in question.

My roommate is a development engineer for Hyundai, they're starting to use CAN systems and he said its not anything more difficult than basic programming for any decent computer engineer.

 

[Howard]

You assume that you're the only one that works on and with cars, this is ATOT Garage, check your ego at the door buddy.

Wow, buddy, take it easy.

 

[lifeobry]

Wow there's a lot of arguing in this thread. Let's just stop and agree that the GT-R is better than everything mentioned so far :awe:

 

[videogames101]

My roommate is a development engineer for Hyundai, they're starting to use CAN systems and he said its not anything more difficult than basic programming for any decent computer engineer.

I'm on a high school robotics team, and our motor controllers just got upgraded to a CAN versions. If high school programmers can figure out CAN systems, so can billion dollar corporations.

 

[jhu]

I'd rather get a 335d.