Would you fix up a 1.5 bath room house or buy a new house with a better floor plan?

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NutBucket

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The numbers don't make sense IMHO. Seems to me you'd have (probably) end up with a much nicer home if you invested $50-75k into expanding and improving your current home. Plus, the fact that new construction isn't all its cracked up to be. Is there and hoa to consider? How about lot size?
 

Jumpem

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The numbers don't make sense IMHO. Seems to me you'd have (probably) end up with a much nicer home if you invested $50-75k into expanding and improving your current home. Plus, the fact that new construction isn't all its cracked up to be. Is there and hoa to consider? How about lot size?

Yes, I have an HOA. I ve never had any issues with them. Their biggest point is that exterior maintenance and improvements get approved by the Architectural Standards Committee.

The lot is small. I would not be able to expand to either side.
 

NutBucket

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Oh, you're saying you currently have an hoa plus a small lot? I guess moving probably is your best bet then....preferably to a place with space!
 

Jumpem

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Oh, you're saying you currently have an hoa plus a small lot? I guess moving probably is your best bet then....preferably to a place with space!

Moving to a place with a little space means giving up FiOS. Moving to a place out in the woods with a lot of space means having a worse school district.

Even if I move there are still compromises to be made. I can't have everything.
 

Hacp

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I think the best course of action is to get some quotes on getting that shower in your bathroom. If it's less than 10K, I would do it and compromise on the laundry.

The other option is to sell your current house and move to a larger house and pay 100K over 30 years plus 14K in closing costs.
 

NutBucket

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Well wait, you say small lot. What's the size? My idea of a small lot is sub 5k...but that's based on how things are done in SoCal!
 

Red Squirrel

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If you like the area and generally like the house, I'd go ahead and just fix it up like you want. If you move think of all the other associated costs like inspection, lawyer fees, having to fix anything on your current house to meet any codes that may possibly be violated etc...

I also would be very hesitant in new construction. Everything today is built down to a price, and those savings arn't passed back to the consumer. If I was to build I'd actually go custom and be my own GC or hire someone I can trust. Over engineer everything. Especially thermal values. That is something where you can save a lot in the long run. At least R30 for walls, extremely good vapour barrier install all round etc.
 

JEDI

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My current house was $150K, is 1,400sq.ft., and has 3 bed rooms and 1.5 bath rooms. There isn't really room to add a second full bath room for my kids. Perhaps a shower stall could be squeezed in to the downstairs half bath room, but it would be very cramped. The laundry is also in the basement, so it all has to go up and down two flights of stairs.

We have already replaced the roof, windows, some carpet, upstairs shower, bathroom flooring, garage door and opener, and other smaller things. at least in this area it seems like you don't get very much of the money spent on improvements back out. We could continue doing things, but would never be able to fix the lack of a second full bathroom and inconvenient laundry location.

A new house would be 1,500-1,600sq.ft., and have two full bathrooms. Perhaps a ranch style. Laundry would be located near the bedrooms. A new house would probably cost between $250K and $300K.

get a new house.
opt for 2.5 baths at least if you have kids!
 

Jumpem

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Well wait, you say small lot. What's the size? My idea of a small lot is sub 5k...but that's based on how things are done in SoCal!

My lot is 8K square feet. It is tiny. My last house that was a thirty five mile commute was 4 acres. I considered that adequate.
 

zinfamous

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No need to install a shower. Just add a drain to the center of the floor (will want to redo the floor of the room for a slope to allow drainage) and install a shower head along one wall.

There go: the room is now a shower when it needs to be one. This was a common design in older buildings when I was in Italy.
 

Jumpem

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No need to install a shower. Just add a drain to the center of the floor (will want to redo the floor of the room for a slope to allow drainage) and install a shower head along one wall.

There go: the room is now a shower when it needs to be one. This was a common design in older buildings when I was in Italy.

How do you keep the water from running right out under the door? Not to mention the door is wood, and all of the walls would need to be waterproofed.
 

zinfamous

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How do you keep the water from running right out under the door? Not to mention the door is wood, and all of the walls would need to be waterproofed.

you have to redo the floor, as I mentioned, to slope it so that it drains. Just like any shower floor is sloped. Sometimes it's too subtle to notice, but you want the floor at the door and walls of the room to be higher than where it drains. I think the grade is something like 1 or 1.5 inches is all you need? You'd might need to take up the subfloor and would have to pour concrete to make the slope. Of course you'd have to consider if the joists can handle the weight--assuming you only have a crawl space under there at most, should be fine. Even better if you are just sitting on slab.

Honestly, I was half joking with that suggestion, but it really isn't the worst idea. :hmm:

Hell, it might even help basement drainage if you live in an area with flood problems.

But it's not like you're spraying the walls all over with water. Maybe install a head in the ceiling so that it just drops straight down? It would expose the walls to the same amount of water (condensation) as any "standard" shower would. You waterproof the floor and the the base of the walls is all that should be necessary.

The hard part, imo, would be the plumbing. I haven't done something like this myself, but learning to do the floor like that (or just make your own standard shower) is pretty easy, assuming you have time and patience to do it. You can do it yourself for super cheap, too.
 
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SP33Demon

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Spend a minimum of 114K to move for 100sq ft more space and another shower? Considering values would go up at the same rate for both houses, it's probably better to just sink 30K-50K into your current home when you get the money. But if having a bigger yard is what you want, then move. I opted for the most acreage + sq ft bang for my buck within a 10-15min total to my commute (current 25min but I would have been ok with up to 40).

Also, what about installing a laundry chute to the basement? That would ameliorate at least 1 trip doing laundry.
 

Jumpem

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Spend a minimum of 114K to move for 100sq ft more space and another shower? Considering values would go up at the same rate for both houses, it's probably better to just sink 30K-50K into your current home when you get the money. But if having a bigger yard is what you want, then move. I opted for the most acreage + sq ft bang for my buck within a 10-15min total to my commute (current 25min but I would have been ok with up to 40).

Also, what about installing a laundry chute to the basement? That would ameliorate at least 1 trip doing laundry.

Well it is more than just square footage. A new house would have new roof, windows, siding, flooring, furnace, AC, water heater, appliances, etc. The kitchen would be new and much nicer.

Also, if I put $30K - $50K into my current house I would be lucky to get a quarter of that back when I sell it in the future.

A laundry chute would be nice, but I can't think of an easy way to add one. All of the interior walls are 2x4, and I don't know if there are any voids where one could be added.
 

WHAMPOM

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Yes, I have an HOA. I ve never had any issues with them. Their biggest point is that exterior maintenance and improvements get approved by the Architectural Standards Committee.

The lot is small. I would not be able to expand to either side.

Finally information, lot size and house plans would be a great help in the beginning. My first thought, HOA, MOVE!


edit: Your house does sound out of date, 2x4 walls, inefficient design(laundry location, lack of bathrooms), MOVE!
What's the norm now two bedrooms -one bath , three bedrooms-two baths, MOVE!
 
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Jumpem

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Finally information, lot size and house plans would be a great help in the beginning. My first thought, HOA, MOVE!


edit: Your house does sound out of date, 2x4 walls, inefficient design(laundry location, lack of bathrooms), MOVE!
What's the norm now two bedrooms -one bath , three bedrooms-two baths, MOVE!

The builders around here still spec 2x4 exterior walls. Even a $300K model had them. I would have to make an entire list of improvements that a builder would have to adhere to.

I also like the HOA. I view it more as protecting my quality of life from my neighbors. No ugly sheds, no trash piled up on porches, no old appliances or junk scattered around the driveway or lawn. Non-HOA living in rural areas presents it own set of problems.
 

thedarkwolf

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No need to install a shower. Just add a drain to the center of the floor (will want to redo the floor of the room for a slope to allow drainage) and install a shower head along one wall.

There go: the room is now a shower when it needs to be one. This was a common design in older buildings when I was in Italy.

That would be a wet room. Fairly trendy now.
 

NutBucket

Lifer
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My lot is 8K square feet. It is tiny. My last house that was a thirty five mile commute was 4 acres. I considered that adequate.
Ah. All relative. 8k would be a big lot where I live...and it would easily run over 800k!
 

sdifox

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My lot is 8K square feet. It is tiny. My last house that was a thirty five mile commute was 4 acres. I considered that adequate.

Isn't that like 40x200? That is not puny in urban areas.
 
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Jumpem

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Isn't that like 40x200? That is not puny in urban areas.

Yes, it equates to those measurements. I would prefer to find something in our current neighborhood with a one acre, or so, lot. I would feel more comfortable with a little more space between houses.
 

ImpulsE69

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OP, forget all these other suggestions. Here's what you do.

Sell at least 1.5 kids. You won't get much for them, but the money you save over years and extra space will be worth it. Yes, you'll have to mow your own yard, but it's a decent trade off.

Or, if that is not feasible, move them to the garage and make them hose wash their clothes.
 
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