would you freak out if you were shopping and saw a man with an AR15?

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yuchai

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I bought my first AR-15 at a gun show in downtown Indy. I had to walk 3 blocks to get back to my car and the vendor at the show didn't have a case (and I was out of money to buy one). So I carried it by hand to the car, past multiple groups of people and police.

No one cared in the least.

Duh...you were at a gun show, right?

Slightly different situation than someone carrying it in a random store...
 

jpeyton

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Jesus Christ, some of you guys are stupidly paranoid.

And also apparently incapable of understanding simple statistics.

The number of homicide victims shot with a rifle (of any kind) in the United States is roughly ~350 per year. Across the entire country. Of roughly ~312,000,000 people.

You're far, faaaar more likely to be a handgun homicide victim (although, even that possibility is relatively tiny compared to more common causes of death like cancer or heart disease). Would you clutch your panties and run out of a store screaming if you saw someone with a handgun on their hip?

Why not just admit, the media, modern society and Dianne Feinstein have trained you to wet your pants every time you see a modern sporting rifle?
 
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yuchai

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Jesus Christ, some of you guys are stupidly paranoid.

And also apparently incapable of understanding simple statistics.

The number of homicide victims shot with a rifle (of any kind) in the United States is roughly ~350 per year. Across the entire country. Of roughly ~312,000,000 people.

You're far, faaaar more likely to be a handgun homicide victim (although, even that possibility is relatively tiny compared to more common causes of death like cancer or heart disease). Would you clutch your panties and run out of a store screaming if you saw someone with a handgun on their hip?

Why not just admit, the media, modern society and Dianne Feinstein have trained you to wet your pants every time you see a modern sporting rifle?

The probability you're looking for is this: given that you already see someone wielding an AR-15 in public, what are your chances of getting shot by said gun? I'm sure it's a high enough percentage that it's worth getting out of there.
 

Oyeve

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IMO the guy was just being an irresponsible dick. Sure, you have the right to carry your weapon but its irresponsible to carry it like that. Some nut could remove it from your person and do damage. All for what? to show you have the right to carry? an asshole imo.
 

jpeyton

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Some nut could remove it from your person and do damage. All for what? to show you have the right to carry? an asshole imo.
Again, you're incapable of doing simple math, and worse...now you're projecting your own flaws and fears on other people.

How does simply having a rifle on your back suddenly fill your local grocery store with "nuts" and "homicidal maniacs" intent on committing murder?

You can keep digging that hole, or just admit you've been brainwashed.
 

amdhunter

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I'd have egged him on. People like that deserve to carry guns because they should be killed on the spot.
 

jpeyton

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The probability you're looking for is this: given that you already see someone wielding an AR-15 in public, what are your chances of getting shot by said gun? I'm sure it's a high enough percentage that it's worth getting out of there.
Sorry, but it's not. You're surrounded daily by firearms seen and unseen in public and private places; your chances of getting shot are extremely low if it's a handgun and almost non-existent if it's a rifle.

You might as well put a down payment on a Ferrari tonight, because the odds you're talking about make winning the PowerBall next week sound like sure thing.

This Pavlovian response you people have to seeing a firearm in public is embarrassing. The media has you convinced there's a Loughner, Holmes or Lanza waiting behind every door for you.
 
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theknight571

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I guess it would depend on how he was carrying. If he had it slung like the guy in the picture I wouldn't worry to much but if he had it shouldered and ready to go, I'd be a little worried.

This is what I was thinking.
 

Mermaidman

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I would tease him about his gun to see how he reacts, and escalate the teasing until something happens. Hopefully he is a responsible gun owner and will not shoot me.
 

sourceninja

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Duh...you were at a gun show, right?

Slightly different situation than someone carrying it in a random store...

I walked 3 blocks though downtown indianapolis with a AR-15 in my hands (no strap, no case).

Obviously no one at the gun show would care, but do you know about every gun shown in your area? I had parked in a McDonalds parking lot, no one cared there either. Sat it on my seat and went and got a large drink for the drive home.
 

Capt Caveman

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Jesus Christ, some of you guys are stupidly paranoid.

And also apparently incapable of understanding simple statistics.

The number of homicide victims shot with a rifle (of any kind) in the United States is roughly ~350 per year. Across the entire country. Of roughly ~312,000,000 people.

You're far, faaaar more likely to be a handgun homicide victim (although, even that possibility is relatively tiny compared to more common causes of death like cancer or heart disease). Would you clutch your panties and run out of a store screaming if you saw someone with a handgun on their hip?

Why not just admit, the media, modern society and Dianne Feinstein have trained you to wet your pants every time you see a modern sporting rifle?

Not sure if serious. Do you know if he's legally allowed to own/carry it? How often do you go shopping and see people carrying AR15s?

If it was commonplace and there was never an issue, it would be one thing. But due to the current events and if you never come across a situation like this, I don't have any issue with someone being concerned.
 

rcpratt

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The number of homicide victims shot with a rifle (of any kind) in the United States is roughly ~350 per year. Across the entire country. Of roughly ~312,000,000 people.

You're far, faaaar more likely to be a handgun homicide victim (although, even that possibility is relatively tiny compared to more common causes of death like cancer or heart disease). Would you clutch your panties and run out of a store screaming if you saw someone with a handgun on their hip?

Why not just admit, the media, modern society and Dianne Feinstein have trained you to wet your pants every time you see a modern sporting rifle?
Just because more people are shot with handguns doesn't mean that we should be more afraid of them. Assault rifles are, unarguably, more dangerous than handguns. The statistics gap is borne from the situations in which each is more likely to be used, and the people that carry them. Put me in a room with the same person with a handgun and an assault rifle; I know which one I'll be more worried about.
 

yuchai

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Sorry, but it's not. You're surrounded daily by firearms seen and unseen in public and private places; your chances of getting shot are extremely low if it's a handgun and almost non-existent if it's a rifle.

You might as well put a down payment on a Ferrari tonight, because the odds you're talking about make winning the PowerBall next week sound like sure thing.

I've lived in NYC for about 13 years. I have NEVER seen a pistol or rifle being shown in plain sight in a public place by a civilian. If the day does come that I see this happening, I would consider the odds that it's the beginning of a gun rampage to be pretty high. Why? Because there is basically zero reason why someone would be doing that in NYC unless they plan to be using the weapon shortly.

Your overall gun violence statistics are completely irrelevant to the situation being discussed..
 

jpeyton

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I've lived in NYC for about 13 years. I have NEVER seen a pistol or rifle being shown in plain sight in a public place by a civilian.
You can't legally open carry in NYC. Could that be why? :whiste:

Is this discussion NYC specific or did I miss something?
 

Oyeve

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Again, you're incapable of doing simple math, and worse...now you're projecting your own flaws and fears on other people.

How does simply having a rifle on your back suddenly fill your local grocery store with "nuts" and "homicidal maniacs" intent on committing murder?

You can keep digging that hole, or just admit you've been brainwashed.
I am not projecting anything. What is the reason for carrying it in the first place? Because he can? Thats just stupid. You say "Simply" carrying a rifle. Whats simple about it? What is the need? again, just stupidity. Just because you can doesnt mean you should. In NYC its legal for women to walk around topless. yet none do because its stupid to do so. I understand your right to bare arms, but dude, its 2013, there is no need for a militia.
 

jpeyton

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Just because more people are shot with handguns doesn't mean that we should be more afraid of them. Assault rifles are, unarguably, more dangerous than handguns. The statistics gap is borne from the situations in which each is more likely to be used, and the people that carry them. Put me in a room with the same person with a handgun and an assault rifle; I know which one I'll be more worried about.
I'll respond to this in detail later, but for now this is a placeholder. I just didn't want you to edit out your contradictory statements.
 

yuchai

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You can't legally open carry in NYC. Could that be why? :whiste:

Is this discussion NYC specific or did I miss something?

Yes, but my point remains. The likelihood that you see someone carrying a rifle in public is extremely small. This makes the chances that you see gun violence when you do see it relatively high. Simple statistics.
 

clamum

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Either not say a thing and go about my business, or strike up a conversation with him and talk about guns, haha.
 

jpeyton

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The likelihood that you see someone carrying a rifle in public is extremely small.
Depends on the state.

I'll bet you 99.99% of people who see a rifle being carried publicly in the US today will not be shot with it. You game?
 

SithSolo1

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I personally would not open carry a long gun into a grocery store. However, as long as I didn't perceive the person to be wielding it or acting in a threatening manner I would just go about my business as usual.
 

yuchai

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This Pavlovian response you people have to seeing a firearm in public is embarrassing. The media has you convinced there's a Loughner, Holmes or Lanza waiting behind every door for you.

I'm not sure why being afraid of being in the vicinity of a deadly weapon controlled by a complete stranger is embarrassing. I think that's just plain old survival instinct.

On the other hand, thinking that seeing someone with an AR-15 in public to be completely normal is very bizarre concept to me. Because, you know, that's more in-line with the thinking of people that live in war torn countries.
 
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