Would you let you child play football?

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DrPizza

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a kid going into my sisters class as a freshman actually died during football practice as my senior year of highschool was about to start.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1998/B...e-in-Heat/id-53fc3aff517c74f359e48a68ea605380

totally unrelated to concussions though.
The number of children who die from dog attacks each year is roughly the same as the number of children who die playing football. So, no family pet? The number of children who die riding a bike each year is about 20 times as many as die playing football. No bikes for kids?

Is football, played at the high school level, necessarily worse than a lot of other activities as far as long term risks?
 

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The number of children who die from dog attacks each year is roughly the same as the number of children who die playing football. So, no family pet? The number of children who die riding a bike each year is about 20 times as many as die playing football. No bikes for kids?

Is football, played at the high school level, necessarily worse than a lot of other activities as far as long term risks?

i agree. i'd let my kid play football.
 

ch33zw1z

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Flag or touch with other kids just having fun, yes.

Pads/helmets for competition, dunno, tough call. My kids likes Soccer, Lacrosse, and is really into swimming, so he probably won't even ask.
 

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we've been playing football for over 100 years and just NOW people are worried about it?

iirc correctly people were regularly dying playing football until the government got involved. That was a long time ago.
 

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The number of children who die from dog attacks each year is roughly the same as the number of children who die playing football. So, no family pet? The number of children who die riding a bike each year is about 20 times as many as die playing football. No bikes for kids? Is football, played at the high school level, necessarily worse than a lot of other activities as far as long term risks?

It's not the death part that worries me. It's the repeated pounding on still developing brains that is really concerning.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9902116/report-details-concussion-risks-high-school-athletes

High school kids have almost double the chance of getting a concussion than college athletes. I'm not sure if that's due to age and brain development, better equipment, or better techniques. But the reality is that football is far and away more prone to brain injury than any other sport traditionally offered.

Kids already have a hard enough chance of succeeding in life, you don't need a mushy brain via sports making it even harder.

The really scary thing about concussions is that it's one of those things happens easier the more times you get them. And the long term effects of them won't show up on any simple statistic.

There's lots of other sports out there that don't require you to repetively slam your head against somebody elses for 45 minutes a day.
 

destrekor

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no

You say people were regularly dying from football and I asked for some type of reference.

http://www.history.com/news/how-teddy-roosevelt-saved-football
"The Chicago Tribune reported that in 1904 alone, there were 18 football deaths and 159 serious injuries, mostly among prep school players. Obituaries of young pigskin players ran on a nearly weekly basis during the football season."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football#Early_history



I remember reading about the numbers of deaths prior to some serious overhauls during the original buildup and spread of the sport in the late 1800s and early 1900s. It was mostly prep and college ball - and an almost entirely different game. Heck, there wasn't a forward pass even involved. It was a lot closer to a bastard of rugby than anything else, almost exactly like rugby at the start and, over the years, slowly removing or changing rules to make a different game. It remained brutal as all hell though - the forward pass was not a legal move until 1906, yet they had the system of downs already in place. Oh, and you could legally tackle below the waist starting in 1888.
That's all part of why early gridiron football was so brutal, and why, even though it originated in rugby, it was more dangerous.
 

SP33Demon

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I would encourage it. Football does good things for kids. I'm sure only a minority get concussions.

Anyway, as Carolla would say it: "Pain is temporary. Being a pussy is forever". Do you want your kids to never experience pain or disappointment, or do you want them to be tough and disciplined? You generally can't have both. In fact one usually begets the other. Hence football and other such sports.

While the jury is still out on severity, there is ample evidence that even subconcussive hits are causing CTE such as lineman smashing helmets on every play. As a result, researchers think that brain damage is happening even before college.

Funny how quickly people's attitudes are changing now, everyone lambasted me when I said football would be irrelevant in 20 years from my 2012 thread. The writing was on the wall years ago, but it will take a good decade for Pop Warner to feel the impact of less and less players and eventually dwindle down to the enthusiasm of MMA participation.
 
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http://www.history.com/news/how-teddy-roosevelt-saved-football
"The Chicago Tribune reported that in 1904 alone, there were 18 football deaths and 159 serious injuries, mostly among prep school players. Obituaries of young pigskin players ran on a nearly weekly basis during the football season."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football#Early_history



I remember reading about the numbers of deaths prior to some serious overhauls during the original buildup and spread of the sport in the late 1800s and early 1900s. It was mostly prep and college ball - and an almost entirely different game. Heck, there wasn't a forward pass even involved. It was a lot closer to a bastard of rugby than anything else, almost exactly like rugby at the start and, over the years, slowly removing or changing rules to make a different game. It remained brutal as all hell though - the forward pass was not a legal move until 1906, yet they had the system of downs already in place. Oh, and you could legally tackle below the waist starting in 1888.
That's all part of why early gridiron football was so brutal, and why, even though it originated in rugby, it was more dangerous.

Thanks!

That's all I wanted.
 

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And as a guy who played football for 5 years (JFL through my sophmore year in HS) and then made the switch to Cross Country...I can say without a doubt that I learned far more about discipline, team work, and grinding through pain from Cross Country than I ever did from football. It also had a perk of being the only sport that regularly had coed busses and some of the most athletic women in the school running around in skimpy shorts and sports bras.

There's lots of fringe perks with cross country.
 

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No sport is immune to injury/concussions. But some sports are clearly more prone to them than others. One very interesting thing of note - look at that ESPN link I provided. Look at the difference between boys and girls and concussions per sport. In basketball the women are almost 2x as likely to get a concussion as the men.

Weird. And in almost every other sport women are more likely to suffer concusions.
 

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No sport is immune to injury/concussions. But some sports are clearly more prone to them than others. One very interesting thing of note - look at that ESPN link I provided. Look at the difference between boys and girls and concussions per sport. In basketball the women are almost 2x as likely to get a concussion as the men.

Weird. And in almost every other sport women are more likely to suffer concusions.



Maybe men are more primitive and more caveman like and have thicker skulls for bashing other men and hunting creatures that can bash a head in.
 

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Maybe men are more primitive and more caveman like and have thicker skulls for bashing other men and hunting creatures that can bash a head in.

Yeah I don't know if it's a resistance to concussion or if it's simply being more agile in prevention. In the case of basketball I'm thinking of deflecting an errant pass before it smashes your face or avoiding a flailing elbow. Or falling down better and not letting your head slam into the court. No clue...I just found that an interesting statistic.
 

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I don't have kids but yes, I'd absolutely let them play football if I had them.
 

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It's the nanny state ran by helicopter parents.

It's the reason society is in the shape it's in.
Agreed. I was miserably bad at football and also the smallest kid ever to play at my school - my helmet would spin all the way around with a good hit, which will REALLY get your parents up off the bench - but it taught me some valuable life lessons, foremost being the value of discipline and hard work. Also that I would not be able to skate through life with 20/200 vision, a lesson that had previously proved beyond a Suzuki 50cc and trees.
 
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