Would You Parole This Woman?

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cubby1223

Lifer
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So what?

See killed someone, took away someones life. Why should she now get to play?

Why do you personally feel you have the right to final judgment?

You have your view. Is it difficult to accept that other people can have differing views?
 
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cubby1223

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Years ago I had something else bugging me a lot, and the scene from "No Country for Old Men" stuck in my head and made quite an impact on my outlook.

-That man who shot you died in prison... what you've done if he'd been released?
"Well, I don't know... Nothing. Wouldn't be no point in it."
-Kind of surprised to hear you say that.
"Well all the time you spend trying to get back what's been took from you, more is going out the door."
 

michal1980

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Why do you personally feel you have the right to final judgment?

You have your view. Is it difficult to accept that other people can have differing views?

Why do you?

Jail is not only to prevent bad people from doing more bad things. Its also a tool for punishing those that have wronged society.

If we cant have a death penalty for murder, then life in jail should mean life.

In liberal land, it means your in jail as long as theres still some mass outrage, once peoples anger over your murder subsides we'll let you out.
 

Jhhnn

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Why do you?

Jail is not only to prevent bad people from doing more bad things. Its also a tool for punishing those that have wronged society.

If we cant have a death penalty for murder, then life in jail should mean life.

In liberal land, it means your in jail as long as theres still some mass outrage, once peoples anger over your murder subsides we'll let you out.

So, punishment for its own sake, right? Straight up old testament vindictiveness. Or is punishment more about preventing future misbehavior by attaching regret to actions?

If it's the latter, then serving life w/o parole is appropriate only for psychopaths, people incapable of regret.

Van Houten has been in prison 46 years, her entire adult life, likely a lot longer than your feeble consciousness has existed. I'm sure she came to the realization of just how fucked up she was at the time of the murders many, many years ago. Locked up or free, she'll likely regret it every day of her life. America can well afford to show her a tiny bit of mercy at this point, allow her some small measure of redemption.

There's more to Justice than pandering to the outrage of self righteous fools.
 

Hugo Drax

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So, punishment for its own sake, right? Straight up old testament vindictiveness. Or is punishment more about preventing future misbehavior by attaching regret to actions?

If it's the latter, then serving life w/o parole is appropriate only for psychopaths, people incapable of regret.

Van Houten has been in prison 46 years, her entire adult life, likely a lot longer than your feeble consciousness has existed. I'm sure she came to the realization of just how fucked up she was at the time of the murders many, many years ago. Locked up or free, she'll likely regret it every day of her life. America can well afford to show her a tiny bit of mercy at this point, allow her some small measure of redemption.

There's more to Justice than pandering to the outrage of self righteous fools.

Why would you want someone who kills to be set loose on society. So what happens if she kills someone else on parole. Is it oops sorry we wanted to give her a chance?
 
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/charles-manson-follower-leslie-van-houtens-role-1969/story?id=38424202

Van Houten said she and cult member Patricia Krenwinkel "took Mrs. LaBianca into the bedroom. And the sounds of Mr. La Bianca dying came into the bedroom -- horrible, guttural sounds. She started calling out to him and yelling for him. And at that moment, for a brief moment, I realized, you know, these are people that love each other."

Van Houten has said she helped secure a pillow over Rosemary LaBianca's head and held her down while another person stabbed her.

"And then Tex [cult member Charles "Tex" Watson] turned me around and handed me the knife," she told ABC News. "And he said, 'Do something, because Manson had told him to make sure that all of us got our hands dirty. And I stabbed Mrs. LaBianca in the lower back about 16 times."
 

Jhhnn

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Why would you want someone who kills to be set loose on society. So what happens if she kills someone else on parole. Is it oops sorry we wanted to give her a chance?

Never understood a word that I said. No wonder you're a Trumpster.
 

Cozarkian

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What does a 66 year old woman realesed from prison after 47 years do? Leverage work experience to get a job? File for social security based on $0 contributions?

Realistically, she will either commit crimes, live off the public dole through charity, or die on the streets.

I doubt this is a sympathy driven decision because the woman deserves to be free. Rather, I think the prison just doesn't want her elderly medical bills coming out of its budget.
 

soundforbjt

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What does a 66 year old woman realesed from prison after 47 years do? Leverage work experience to get a job? File for social security based on $0 contributions?

Realistically, she will either commit crimes, live off the public dole through charity, or die on the streets.

I doubt this is a sympathy driven decision because the woman deserves to be free. Rather, I think the prison just doesn't want her elderly medical bills coming out of its budget.

She could write a book. And where do you think the prison gets it's money?
 

TheGardener

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Because it's a nonsense question. It's clear that Van Houten is not a psychopath. Therefore, the chances of her killing again are infinitesimal.
I don't know if you are a board certified psychiatrist. Even if you are, without examining her, you cannot come to this conclusion. You could be consciously condemning someone to death, without knowing the medical details.
 

Cozarkian

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And where do you think the prison gets it's money?

Option 1: Keep her in prison where society bears the cost of keeping her live but the potential danger she represents is minimized.

Option 2: Release her into a situation where society will bear the cost of keeping her alive while being exposed to the risk she may commit serious crimes. Further, there is a risk she will suffer and die because her prior exclusion from society has limited her ability to survive.

The point is, if society is going to pay to keep her alive, then we should benefit from being protected from her. Releasing her is either dangerous, cruel or both.
 

Jhhnn

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What does a 66 year old woman realesed from prison after 47 years do? Leverage work experience to get a job? File for social security based on $0 contributions?

Realistically, she will either commit crimes, live off the public dole through charity, or die on the streets.

I doubt this is a sympathy driven decision because the woman deserves to be free. Rather, I think the prison just doesn't want her elderly medical bills coming out of its budget.

The only reason she's been held as long as she has been is because of the sensationalism surrounding her crime. She ceased being a danger to society long ago. Realistically, it's cheaper to turn her loose at this point than to keep her locked up to satisfy the retributionists.
 

Jhhnn

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I don't know if you are a board certified psychiatrist. Even if you are, without examining her, you cannot come to this conclusion. You could be consciously condemning someone to death, without knowing the medical details.

Get off it, OK? I'm sure she's been examined by more than a couple of psychiatrists over the last 46 years & that information is obviously a part of the considerations of the parole board.

I mean- Duh!
 

werepossum

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Who should get out? Armed robbers who murder? Jealous wives who murder?
Armed robbers, no. Jealous wives, eventually, some of them. The first because their decisions represent a fundamental disdain for others. The latter because their actions were not necessarily representative of sociopathic behavior.
 

michal1980

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So, punishment for its own sake, right? Straight up old testament vindictiveness. Or is punishment more about preventing future misbehavior by attaching regret to actions?

If it's the latter, then serving life w/o parole is appropriate only for psychopaths, people incapable of regret.

Van Houten has been in prison 46 years, her entire adult life, likely a lot longer than your feeble consciousness has existed. I'm sure she came to the realization of just how fucked up she was at the time of the murders many, many years ago. Locked up or free, she'll likely regret it every day of her life. America can well afford to show her a tiny bit of mercy at this point, allow her some small measure of redemption.

There's more to Justice than pandering to the outrage of self righteous fools.

Yes its punishment for its own sake.

She took lives away. What mercy did she show the people when she was killing them?

Your just a typical liberal, always sympathizing with the criminal.

And how do you know she regretted her actions every day of her life? She says she regrets her actions now because saying that convinces week minded fools like you that she's better now. Only someone 100% deranged would at a parole hearing say they don't regret their actions.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Parole isn't a pardon.

She's been a model prisoner her entire adult life. Give the old gal a break.

Poor choice of words on my part...

Nope, the old Gal Gets no break as far as I am concerned.
 

michal1980

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The only reason she's been held as long as she has been is because of the sensationalism surrounding her crime. She ceased being a danger to society long ago. Realistically, it's cheaper to turn her loose at this point than to keep her locked up to satisfy the retributionists.

she was originally sentenced to death. But bleeding hearts like you would rather see murders go free then see then punished.
 
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