Would you support vigilante justice if the victim was someone close to you?

[mflacy]

I support vigilante justice Max Payne style!

 

[kogase]

Is it just me, or is Specop 007 the ULTIMATE E-PENIS MONGERING E-THUG ON THE INTERNET?

(that was a rhetorical question, I know he is)

 

[kosstamogen]

did you ask this question because of the Boston Legal episode on last night when "Hands" was defending the the guy who beat his son's killer?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: kogase
Is it just me, or is Specop 007 the ULTIMATE E-PENIS MONGERING E-THUG ON THE INTERNET?

(that was a rhetorical question, I know he is)

And what about all the others who said yes?? I'm obviously not alone in my thinking

Or are you just scared of the evil black rifles that get up at night and go shoot children. You know, the pictures I post of people out having fun, enjoying their freedoms?

Besides, K1052 definitely has more e-penis then I do. He has way more guns.

 

[HBalzer]

I would have a hard time charging a father for killing someone that raped and or killed his daughter. So in a sense I support it even if it wasn?t someone I know.

Does this stem from last night?s Boston Legal?

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
And what about all the others who said yes?? I'm obviously not alone in my thinking

Or are you just scared of the evil black rifles that get up at night and go shoot children. You know, the pictures I post of people out having fun, enjoying their freedoms?

Besides, K1052 definitely has more e-penis then I do. He has way more guns.

He just doesn't jerk his e-penis in front of us as vigorously as you do. In every thread you post in (that I see anyway) you are talking about what a hardass you are, then telling everybody what you'd do if anyone messed with you. Of course, I'll take all this back if I actually see you beat up 100 guys in a row and mow down an entire prison full of criminals running at you with lead pipes in front of my very eyes, but somehow I doubt you're going to.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Specop 007
And what about all the others who said yes?? I'm obviously not alone in my thinking

Or are you just scared of the evil black rifles that get up at night and go shoot children. You know, the pictures I post of people out having fun, enjoying their freedoms?

Besides, K1052 definitely has more e-penis then I do. He has way more guns.

He just doesn't jerk his e-penis in front of us as vigorously as you do. In every thread you post in (that I see anyway) you are talking about what a hardass you are, then telling everybody what you'd do if anyone messed with you. Of course, I'll take all this back if I actually see you beat up 100 guys in a row and mow down an entire prison full of criminals running at you with lead pipes in front of my very eyes, but somehow I doubt you're going to.

A hardass??

No, quite the opposite. I very rarely drink, dont go out all that much, dont like to fight and avoid it whenever possible. I'm pretty calm and prefer an evening with my wife and a movie over clubs and bars. I work my 7-4 and drive home to play computer games for a little while, cook dinner and help my kids with their homework.
I mow my lawn on the weekends and putter around in my garden. I'd like to move farther out of the city and have a few acres becuase I want an orchard and some chickens. Maybe a few ducks. gimme 5 or 6 acres I'd be happy.

But fvck with my family and you're messing with the Devil himself.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
A hardass??

No, quite the opposite. I very rarely drink, dont go out all that much, dont like to fight and avoid it whenever possible. I'm pretty calm and prefer an evening with my wife and a movie over clubs and bars. I work my 7-4 and drive home to play computer games for a little while, cook dinner and help my kids with their homework.
I mow my lawn on the weekends and putter around in my garden. I'd like to move farther out of the city and have a few acres becuase I want an orchard and some chickens. Maybe a few ducks. gimme 5 or 6 acres I'd be happy.

Hence "e-thug".

But fvck with my family and you're messing with the Devil himself.

While I can respect that, first I'd have to say that vigilante justice is wrong, for reasons already stated in this thread. Second I would recommend that you calm down your ideas of gunning down the person who did harm to your family. Unless you're a badass mofo like you say you are, there's a good chance that you would get yourself killed/jailed doing it and leave your family alone.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Specop 007
A hardass??

No, quite the opposite. I very rarely drink, dont go out all that much, dont like to fight and avoid it whenever possible. I'm pretty calm and prefer an evening with my wife and a movie over clubs and bars. I work my 7-4 and drive home to play computer games for a little while, cook dinner and help my kids with their homework.
I mow my lawn on the weekends and putter around in my garden. I'd like to move farther out of the city and have a few acres becuase I want an orchard and some chickens. Maybe a few ducks. gimme 5 or 6 acres I'd be happy.

Hence "e-thug".

I'm confused here.
I openly admit I'm NOT a badass, that I'm a simple guy. How the hell does that make me an e-thug? Hell, how does that make me a thug at all??
I used to raise Hell to the 9th degree back in the day, but those days have come n gone my friend.

But fvck with my family and you're messing with the Devil himself.

While I can respect that, first I'd have to say that vigilante justice is wrong, for reasons already stated in this thread. Second I would recommend that you calm down your ideas of gunning down the person who did harm to your family. Unless you're a badass mofo like you say you are, there's a good chance that you would get yourself killed/jailed doing it and leave your family alone.

I think I'm proficient enough with a weapon and generally have enough common sense to shoot a guy without borking it up. Its really not all that hard.
I'm looking for a video now that shows just how to do it. Hopefully I can find it. Its a absolutely beautiful peice of footage.

 

[HBalzer]

Looks like an e-battle is about to ensue everyone run.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: HBalzer
Looks like an e-battle is about to ensue everyone run.

You should probably e-run. Or, in the interest of not having anyone get hurt or trampled, you might wanna e-file.

And really, its hard to have an e-battle when you guy is agreeing with the other.

 

[Slew Foot]

When the real justice system fails, there's no justice like vigilante justice. Unless you're some loser puss who doesnt care that the dude who killed your family is still walking around.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: kosstamogen
did you ask this question because of the Boston Legal episode on last night when "Hands" was defending the the guy who beat his son's killer?

You saw it too?

 

[chambersc]

3 words:

ab-so-lutely. there would be no person, no machine, no physical barrier that could/would stop me if my SO was tragically murdered. you can quote me on that.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Vic
NO! Vigilante justice is a lynch mob looking for a convenient n****r to string up because an unmarried white girl got pregnant.

To ^^, there is a difference between self-defense and vigilantism. I agree our society should be more concerned and active in our own individual self-defense, but not in the enforcement of vigilante justice.

Ok, i think we all agree that "a lynch mob looking for a convenient ****** to string up" is wrong and the topic we're discussing here is that you know the perp did it but got off on a technicality. So, back to the topic. Where do you stand?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Vic
NO! Vigilante justice is a lynch mob looking for a convenient n****r to string up because an unmarried white girl got pregnant.

To ^^, there is a difference between self-defense and vigilantism. I agree our society should be more concerned and active in our own individual self-defense, but not in the enforcement of vigilante justice.

Ok, i think we all agree that "a lynch mob looking for a convenient ****** to string up" is wrong and the topic we're discussing here is that you know the perp did it but got off on a technicality. So, back to the topic. Where do you stand?

Those legal "technicalities" exist for a reason. They protect the rights of the innocent from false conviction. If the perp in question got off on some technicality, then I would demand that the police find the actual criminal, and that (this time) they do so lawfully.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Vic
NO! Vigilante justice is a lynch mob looking for a convenient n****r to string up because an unmarried white girl got pregnant.

To ^^, there is a difference between self-defense and vigilantism. I agree our society should be more concerned and active in our own individual self-defense, but not in the enforcement of vigilante justice.

Ok, i think we all agree that "a lynch mob looking for a convenient ****** to string up" is wrong and the topic we're discussing here is that you know the perp did it but got off on a technicality. So, back to the topic. Where do you stand?

Those legal "technicalities" exist for a reason. They protect the rights of the innocent from false conviction. If the perp in question got off on some technicality, then I would demand that the police find the actual criminal, and that (this time) they do so lawfully.

Okay, i'll go even further into this.

The technicality has to do with fruit of the poisonous tree. There is an 8foot privacy fence surrounding a perp's yard. One day, a nosy neighbor decides to pry a small space in the fence to peer in...he notices a gun in the grass. Now, the gun would NEVER have been disciovered by any other means (for the purposes of this argument). He calls cop, cops comes and confiscates which leads to the defendant being arrested. He confesses, by his own fruition. His story checks out but is let go because since the seisure of the gun was illegal, anything that resulted was inadmissable. Also, assuming the gun was used to shoot your SO. Would you advocate vigilante justice for yourself in this situation? Remember, think narrowly -- i can see a hundred counter arguments to my assertions but follow what is prescribed here.

Edit: also, remember, you're in the heat of the situation -- one doesn't always think rationally when their SO is tragically murdered. this is the situation that's in front of us.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Vic
NO! Vigilante justice is a lynch mob looking for a convenient n****r to string up because an unmarried white girl got pregnant.

To ^^, there is a difference between self-defense and vigilantism. I agree our society should be more concerned and active in our own individual self-defense, but not in the enforcement of vigilante justice.

Ok, i think we all agree that "a lynch mob looking for a convenient ****** to string up" is wrong and the topic we're discussing here is that you know the perp did it but got off on a technicality. So, back to the topic. Where do you stand?

Those legal "technicalities" exist for a reason. They protect the rights of the innocent from false conviction. If the perp in question got off on some technicality, then I would demand that the police find the actual criminal, and that (this time) they do so lawfully.

Okay, i'll go even further into this.

The technicality has to do with fruit of the poisonous tree. There is an 8foot privacy fence surrounding a perp's yard. One day, a nosy neighbor decides to pry a small space in the fence to peer in...he notices a gun in the grass. Now, the gun would NEVER have been disciovered by any other means (for the purposes of this argument). He calls cop, cops comes and confiscates which leads to the defendant being arrested. He confesses, by his own fruition. His story checks out but is let go because since the seisure of the gun was illegal, anything that resulted was inadmissable. Also, assuming the gun was used to shoot your SO. Would you advocate vigilante justice for yourself in this situation? Remember, think narrowly -- i can see a hundred counter arguments to my assertions but follow what is prescribed here.

Edit: also, remember, you're in the heat of the situation -- one doesn't always think rationally when their SO is tragically murdered. this is the situation that's in front of us.

You're working awfully hard on this. If he confessed of his own free will, he would be convicted regardless of any evidentiary technicality.

However, taking your premise at face value, I would assume that the government had utterly failed to protect my rights, perform my civic duty of civil disobedience by killing the murdering bastard, and then turn myself in.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: Vic
NO! Vigilante justice is a lynch mob looking for a convenient n****r to string up because an unmarried white girl got pregnant.

To ^^, there is a difference between self-defense and vigilantism. I agree our society should be more concerned and active in our own individual self-defense, but not in the enforcement of vigilante justice.

Ok, i think we all agree that "a lynch mob looking for a convenient ****** to string up" is wrong and the topic we're discussing here is that you know the perp did it but got off on a technicality. So, back to the topic. Where do you stand?

Those legal "technicalities" exist for a reason. They protect the rights of the innocent from false conviction. If the perp in question got off on some technicality, then I would demand that the police find the actual criminal, and that (this time) they do so lawfully.

Okay, i'll go even further into this.

The technicality has to do with fruit of the poisonous tree. There is an 8foot privacy fence surrounding a perp's yard. One day, a nosy neighbor decides to pry a small space in the fence to peer in...he notices a gun in the grass. Now, the gun would NEVER have been disciovered by any other means (for the purposes of this argument). He calls cop, cops comes and confiscates which leads to the defendant being arrested. He confesses, by his own fruition. His story checks out but is let go because since the seisure of the gun was illegal, anything that resulted was inadmissable. Also, assuming the gun was used to shoot your SO. Would you advocate vigilante justice for yourself in this situation? Remember, think narrowly -- i can see a hundred counter arguments to my assertions but follow what is prescribed here.

Edit: also, remember, you're in the heat of the situation -- one doesn't always think rationally when their SO is tragically murdered. this is the situation that's in front of us.

You're working awfully hard on this. If he confessed of his own free will, he would be convicted regardless of any evidentiary technicality.

However, taking your premise at face value, I would assume that the government had utterly failed to protect my rights, perform my civic duty of civil disobedience by killing the murdering bastard, and then turn myself in.

Unfortunately, there are instances where this happens. Like I said, the proper legal term for this is "fruit of the poisonous tree" (ask devilsadvocate). If any part of the chain is tainted (ie the nosy neighbor) all subsequent evidence is inadmissible.

Ultimately, what I was trying to get from you was the latter statement. I was trying to guage your position and whether or not you would oppose or condone vigilante justice in this situation. Sorry if it seemed I was picking on you -- just wanted to discren your position.