Would you trade a 6800 Ultra for a X850 XTPE ?

[rbV5]

As i said earlier that is because people do not stop and think.

No, they stop and think "Yea, Id trade a 6800 Ultra for a X850 XTPE" and then they vote. Its really that simple Kevin. Just because its counter to what you would do, doesn't make it a non-thinking position vs yours.

You keep mentioning features, how many 6800ultras are VIVO cards? How many have native YPbPr output? ATI has feature differences also, maybe users are more savy than you think. I'd trade, and I have both X800 and 6800 series cards and I'm familiar with the capabilities.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: Creig
And yet the current poll shows the X850XTPE with a better than 3:1 lead over the 6800U (got my math right this time, I think). So apparently SM3.0 and SLI aren't as important to people as raw speed.

Sure. If you submit your will to follow the mass population.

I pity the guys like you who buy hardware based off of blindly accepting the opinion of the mass public.

Hey, everybodys doing it, right?

BBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! BAAAAAAAAAA little sheep!

I'll take a logical argument that makes sense, over something approved by the masses anyday.

Wow. Has it been a month already? Where has the time gone?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Gracious i have posted more times today ... i vow this is my last post of the night, i gotta finish up some HW.

No, they stop and think "Yea, Id trade a 6800 Ultra for a X850 XTPE" and then they vote. Its really that simple Kevin. Just because its counter to what you would do, doesn't make it a non-thinking position vs yours.

I am not faulting them, nor will i ever fault someone for disagreeing with me. Most people do simply pick the faster card without regards to the features. Look at the majority of the posts here; aside from our little debates everywhere; most people simply say the X850 gets more "fps" (should be "gets higher framerate") than the 6800GT.

You do make a good point about VIVO. What happened to it in the Geforce 6 generation? Aside from VIVO, the Geforce 6's features seeem to be more prominent than the features the X800's possess. Not saying the X800's features are crap and worthless by anymeans but SM3 and HDR and Purevideo get FAR more attention than YPbPr output and VIVO for that matter. Again i am not saying that is a good thing but that is what i see happening.

-Kevin

 

[Bar81]

Please remember that HDR is not an nvidia specific feature, ATI cards can do it as well (just not in FarCry because of the way it's implemented.)

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: Creig
And yet the current poll shows the X850XTPE with a better than 3:1 lead over the 6800U (got my math right this time, I think). So apparently SM3.0 and SLI aren't as important to people as raw speed.

Sure. If you submit your will to follow the mass population.

I pity the guys like you who buy hardware based off of blindly accepting the opinion of the mass public.

Hey, everybodys doing it, right?

BBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! BAAAAAAAAAA little sheep!

I'll take a logical argument that makes sense, over something approved by the masses anyday.

Wow. Has it been a month already? Where has the time gone?

Whether you agree with the way he worded it or not, he's right.

Results of this poll are indicative of nothing other than public opinion, which often has little basis in fact.

If you went to Lambeau Field during a Packer game in the pre Favre era everyone there would tell you the Packers are a great team. They didn't win many games of course, but they were "great".

Really crappy movies like "The Flintstones" or "Scoobie Doo" are often the "number 1 movie in the country".

Really rotten music like Eminem is often at the top of the charts.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
How am i jumping to conclusions. I admit that i am making a pretty general statement but it is true. A majority of the people who do know hardware judge on speed alone. They do not take into consideration the features involved, which is understandable because this is the first genration where features have been a major issue (aside from PS2.0 and 1.1 but that wasn't as big as this)

-Kevin

There have been features GALORE to choose from on previous cards. SLI, S3TC, Hardware T&L, MeTaL, TruForm, Z-buffering, TextureBlend, bump mapping, SDRAM, SGRAM, DDR ram, GDDR, DVD acceleration, VIVO, PVP (sorta), etc... New video card features is nothing out of the ordinary.

There is obviously a larger percentage of tech savvy people within these forums than in a regular non-computer oriented forum. And the people here obviously take a lot more into consideration than simply speed, hence the infamous Video Forums flamefests.

And yet these people who are knowledgeable about video card features STILL chose the X850XT PE over the 6800U at better than 3:1. That tells me that they don't find SM3.0 and SLI to be that important.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Whether you agree with the way he worded it or not, he's right.

Results of this poll are indicative of nothing other than public opinion, which often has little basis in fact.

If you went to Lambeau Field during a Packer game in the pre Favre era everyone there would tell you the Packers are a great team. They didn't win many games of course, but they were "great".

Really crappy movies like "The Flintstones" or "Scoobie Doo" are often the "number 1 movie in the country".

Really rotten music like Eminem is often at the top of the charts.

If The Flintstones or Scoobie Doo are crappy in your opinion, yet #1 at the box office, then you're the one who's right and the rest of the country is wrong? Is that what you're trying to say?

 

[Gamingphreek]

You would be suprised at how many UNknowledgable people actually post in the forums. I would say as a pure guess not more than 3-4 thousand people who regularly post he know what they are talking about.

[w]There have been features GALORE to choose from on previous cards. SLI, S3TC, Hardware T&L, MeTaL, TruForm, Z-buffering, TextureBlend, bump mapping, SDRAM, SGRAM, DDR ram, GDDR, DVD acceleration, VIVO, PVP (sorta), etc... New video card features is nothing out of the ordinary. [/quote]
YEs, but they were not as widely debated, or controversial as these issues we are talking about, due in part because of lack of technology back when some of those came about.

Well all in all ill end it like this because im sure everyone here has debated everything they have myself included. It is my opinion that the features on the NV4x generation of CPU's, outweight the minimal drop in framerate compared to the R4xx generation.

Good luck in the future all.

-Kevin

You know if you stop and think about this, this entire discussion was focused very little around mindless flaming, but people actually did have evidence and know how. There is still hope yet

 

[housecat]

Well all in all ill end it like this because im sure everyone here has debated everything they have myself included. It is my opinion that the features on the NV4x generation of CPU's, outweight the minimal drop in framerate compaed to the R4xx generation.

They dont get it and dont want to get it, they are ATI fanboys.

You wont see a difference unless you are benchmarking.

I can tell you this: in ATI's big game HL2, my friend has the X800XT and I have SLI GTs.
A single GT has less minimum framerate drops as the X800. We both preferred gaming on the single GT over his X800. Hes selling it and getting a GF6.

Dont let the graphs fool you. ATI aint all its cracked up to be in performance.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Please dont take this the wrong way housecat. It really was a good discussion and i appreciate having someone arguing on my side but you cannot call them ATI Fanboys because based on your posts you do have a bias towards Nvidia. Not that there is anything wrong with that but you cannot should find fault in someone where your own fault is the same (ie be a hypocrite).

HL2 is ATI's game. No questions.

THe fact is as i have said ATI is winning in raw framerate. Nvidia instead of competing muscle for muscle chose to implement (or try to implement ) some very useful "futureproofing" features.

-Kevin

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: housecat
They dont get it and dont want to get it, they are ATI fanboys.

And you're completely neutral on the whole ATI/Nvidia subject? Riiiiggghhhtttt.......:roll:

You wont see a difference unless you are benchmarking.

Doesn't the X850XTPE usually come out on top in benches over a 6800U? Isn't that the whole point?

Dont let the graphs fool you. ATI aint all its cracked up to be in performance.

Yes, please don't let any facts influence your purchase. Go with the gut feeling instead!

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: housecat
They dont get it and dont want to get it, they are ATI fanboys.

And you're completely neutral on the whole ATI/Nvidia subject? Riiiiggghhhtttt.......:roll:

You wont see a difference unless you are benchmarking.

Doesn't the X850XTPE usually come out on top in benches over a 6800U? Isn't that the whole point?

Dont let the graphs fool you. ATI aint all its cracked up to be in performance.

Yes, please don't let any facts influence your purchase. Go with the gut feeling instead!

You are missing the point.

For one, I prefer NV right now because they have the better product. Period. Thats not fanboyism like you exhibit.
Thats a believe in best of breed.

Just because the XTPE comes out on top of the Ultra in some benches doenst mean you can tell the difference between either in real world gaming.
Point is, why give up SM3 and SLI for bragging rights? When both perform the same.
I actually prefer gaming on the GF6 series.

 

[fstime]

This thread needs to be locked. All I see is some people whinning that the poll came out not how the wanted it or how the 6800/x800 is better.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: housecat
You are missing the point.

For one, I prefer NV right now because they have the better product. Period. Thats not fanboyism like you exhibit.
Thats a believe in best of breed.

Just because the XTPE comes out on top of the Ultra in some benches doenst mean you can tell the difference between either in real world gaming.
Point is, why give up SM3 and SLI for bragging rights? When both perform the same.
I actually prefer gaming on the GF6 series.

There is no "better" product, it's called personal preference. But since you said "Period" I guess that MUST mean you're right. :roll:

Please try to keep your Nvidia flag waving to a minimum and stick to discussing facts like the rest of us.

 

[Gamingphreek]

how the 6800/x800 is better.

Seeing how that is the topic of the thread, isn't that what we want to be arguing about.

NV right now because they have the better product. Period. Thats not fanboyism like you exhibit.

Housecat you are missing the point. When you say something like that it shows that you have a bias. Not a bad thing as all humans have a bias, you cannot be completely neutral. While the 6800U might be better for some people some people the X800XT is the better product.

Point is, why give up SM3 and SLI for bragging rights? When both perform the same.

Because when some people buy a high end graphics card they want the absolute fastest thing in the world. Sometimes people do not take features into account either. Granted, this is not the most logical thing in the world, but not everything in the world is.

-Kevin

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: housecat
They dont get it and dont want to get it, they are ATI fanboys.

And you're completely neutral on the whole ATI/Nvidia subject? Riiiiggghhhtttt.......:roll:

You wont see a difference unless you are benchmarking.

Doesn't the X850XTPE usually come out on top in benches over a 6800U? Isn't that the whole point?

Dont let the graphs fool you. ATI aint all its cracked up to be in performance.

Yes, please don't let any facts influence your purchase. Go with the gut feeling instead!

You are missing the point.

For one, I prefer NV right now because they have the better product. Period. Thats not fanboyism like you exhibit.
Thats a believe in best of breed.

Just because the XTPE comes out on top of the Ultra in some benches doenst mean you can tell the difference between either in real world gaming.
Point is, why give up SM3 and SLI for bragging rights? When both perform the same.
I actually prefer gaming on the GF6 series.

Sorry, you're the blatant fanboy. Making comments like the above pretty much shoots down any credibility you thought you had.

 

[nRollo]

Sorry, you're the blatant fanboy. Making comments like the above pretty much shoots down any credibility you thought you had.

Of course, post like "Why you don't need SM3- what nVidia won't tell you" makes you completely objective!

 

[housecat]

Yes it is a bias.
To the best product.

Not my favorite corporate company logo. <- Creig and Bar81s clear alliance

Next gen, if both products are comparable speed, but the Radeon has SM4 hardware and the GF has SM3 hardware, I'll advocate the Radeon.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Sorry, you're the blatant fanboy. Making comments like the above pretty much shoots down any credibility you thought you had.

Of course, post like "Why you don't need SM3- what nVidia won't tell you" makes you completely objective!

When you buy a clue Rollo, let me know. The thread is in fact completely objective and only lays out the facts about SM3.0. If they don't agree with your nVidia cheerleading, then that's your problem.

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: Bar81
When you buy a clue Rollo, let me know. The thread is in fact completely objective and only lays out the facts about SM3.0. If they don't agree with your nVidia cheerleading, then that's your problem.

Boy you'd better get on the phone then, and let ATI know! You dont want your company to take the route NV did and wasted money with right?

Bar81 laid out the facts about SM3, ATI you'd better listen up your engineers shouldve been calling Bar81!!!
Stop SM3 development now!!!!!!

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: Bar81
When you buy a clue Rollo, let me know. The thread is in fact completely objective and only lays out the facts about SM3.0. If they don't agree with your nVidia cheerleading, then that's your problem.

Boy you'd better get on the phone then, and let ATI know! You dont want your company to take the route NV did and wasted money with right?

Bar81 laid out the facts about SM3, ATI you'd better listen up your engineers shouldve been calling Bar81!!!
Stop SM3 development now!!!!!!

Wow housecat, way to let your fanboyism show and put words in my mouth. I'd like to see where in that thread it's indicated that no one should implement SM3.0 in their games.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: Bar81
When you buy a clue Rollo, let me know. The thread is in fact completely objective and only lays out the facts about SM3.0. If they don't agree with your nVidia cheerleading, then that's your problem.

Boy you'd better get on the phone then, and let ATI know! You dont want your company to take the route NV did and wasted money with right?

Bar81 laid out the facts about SM3, ATI you'd better listen up your engineers shouldve been calling Bar81!!!
Stop SM3 development now!!!!!!

Good God, how old are you? 12? Or did you just forget to take your meds? Can't you discuss ANYTHING Nvidia/ATI related without getting all worked up?

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: housecat

Originally posted by: Bar81
When you buy a clue Rollo, let me know. The thread is in fact completely objective and only lays out the facts about SM3.0. If they don't agree with your nVidia cheerleading, then that's your problem.

Boy you'd better get on the phone then, and let ATI know! You dont want your company to take the route NV did and wasted money with right?

Bar81 laid out the facts about SM3, ATI you'd better listen up your engineers shouldve been calling Bar81!!!
Stop SM3 development now!!!!!!

Wow housecat, way to let your fanboyism show and put words in my mouth. I'd like to see where in that thread it's indicated that no one should implement SM3.0 in their games.

Cant have it both ways guys!
Better start protesting ATI for implementing SM3

..or is it not THAT bad to have?

 

[Bar81]

Again, stop making things up and develop some reading comprehension skills.

 

[Munky]

Will you guys please let this thread die already? The vote is in favor of ati by a lot, but both of these cards are pretty good. I'd personally go for the x850 xtpe, because I don't like having to update my drivers everytime a new game is released, but that's just my take on nvidia. Plus the fact that it will run CS:S better, and I don't need SM3 yet.