Would you trade a 6800 Ultra for a X850 XTPE ?

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fstime

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Anyone who can tell a differnace with ATI's drivers and Nvidias is simply tp picky, stop talking about drivers, both companys provide good drivers, The x850 is simply the faster card.

Hmmmmm,not too excited about SLI huh?Mine is scoring 10453 3DMARK05 points.Just what would it take to exite you?

Hey, that 3dmark game is fun!

No, why trade for a card that doesn't even support PS3.0?? Waste of time IMO..

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I'm dumping my P-4 agp for a Amd with PCI-e, and I had to make the same choice. Ati has a better cooling design with the X850 by venting it out of the case. Otherwise it's pretty much a toss-up. Ati also has better VIVO and better frame rates at 1600x1200 with AA and AF, just what I needed for my 21" LCD. A smaller monitor or LCD, and it really doesn't matter which card you have.
 

302efi

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Originally posted by: GravityStorm
Hmmmmm,not too excited about SLI huh?Mine is scoring 10453 3DMARK05 points.Just what would it take to exite you?


..and what does 3dmarks mean for gameplay ??...NOTHING !!!

Sorry to :brokenheart:...benchmarking dont mean sh!t
 

Steffenm

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Originally posted by: caz67
No, why trade for a card that doesn't even support PS3.0?? Waste of time IMO..


Because no games support PS3.0 yet (that I know of, anyway. Update me if I'm wrong) and when they start doing so.. I believe the rest of the video card will be so outdated that the PS3.0 support isn't enough to have good performance in that game (clock frequency, mem bandwith etc.)

This is my theory. I might be wrong.



Edit: So what I'm gonna do is to rather buy a Sapphire X800 XT card, clock it to PE-level and live happily on the ultra-high bandwith and texture fillrates until the next-gen graphics cards when I will upgrade again. I don't buy components very often, so I tend to choose carefully.

Btw: What about ATI's 3Dc function? I think I read somewhere that this could replace either Pixelshader og Vertexshader? Or was it Smartshader? I can't recall.. But I believe it was in the Far Cry 1.3 patch that both the 3Dc and the new Shader was supported.

 

BFG10K

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Anyone who can tell a differnace with ATI's drivers and Nvidias is simply tp picky,
I like being able to run Descent 3 with AA thankyou very much.

Because no games support PS3.0 yet
Far Cry, Painkiller.

PS3.0 support isn't enough to have good performance in that game
One of the nice things about SM 3.0 is that you can get extra performance for free and it's made a large difference in Far Cry and Painkiller on my 6800U.
 

sparkyclarky

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Originally posted by: Steffenm
Originally posted by: caz67
No, why trade for a card that doesn't even support PS3.0?? Waste of time IMO..


Because no games support PS3.0 yet (that I know of, anyway. Update me if I'm wrong) and when they start doing so.. I believe the rest of the video card will be so outdated that the PS3.0 support isn't enough to have good performance in that game (clock frequency, mem bandwith etc.)

This is my theory. I might be wrong.



Edit: So what I'm gonna do is to rather buy a Sapphire X800 XT card, clock it to PE-level and live happily on the ultra-high bandwith and texture fillrates until the next-gen graphics cards when I will upgrade again. I don't buy components very often, so I tend to choose carefully.

Btw: What about ATI's 3Dc function? I think I read somewhere that this could replace either Pixelshader og Vertexshader? Or was it Smartshader? I can't recall.. But I believe it was in the Far Cry 1.3 patch that both the 3Dc and the new Shader was supported.


I've never heard anything about 3Dc in Far Cry. The only thing I've heard is that sometime in the future Valve might enable it in the source engine. I've never heard anything about 3Dc replacing PS or VS, as AFAIK, it simply allows for losslessly compressed textures. PS 3 is being used in Far Cry 1.3.
 

RobotOfHatred

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Im just gonna get an XL, since I upgrade rarely, I wanna get a cheapish card, that will still give me great performance. Then, when The newest of the new cards come out next year, after the first Unreal Engine 3 game comes out, Ill spend $600+, and live with that.
 

inxane

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Feb 24, 2005
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i've got a new BFG 6800U OC, retail. I'd be willing to trade for an ati x850 xt pe. let me know if anyone is interested. I'm only doing this because I don't need SM3.0, I mainly play half-life 2 and the ati does better in about only that game. lol

send me a pm, or reply here and i'll get back to you. Leave me some way to contact you either by email or IM.

Thanks.
 

Murd0ck

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Don't buy into the SLI "hype"?

Should I wait until ATI comes out with something similar later this year? Will that be "hype" also? Or just better because it's ATI?

My monitor dosen't support a refresh rate fast enough to see any benefit from playing games in excess of 80+ FPS? Shouldn't I be looking at the minimum framerates as a comparison?

Which card is doing more work per clock cycle? Does the efficiency of a cards architecture mean anything?

I would keep the 6800U as I think it would provide a better upgrade path, but then again I bought into the "hype" and bought an A8n SLI, and if you sell your card a year from now I guess that would help offset the $600.00? price of a new card?

I know you don't have an SLI board, but buying one wouldn't cost to much (compared to the prices on these cards anyway).

SLI is a new interface? Is there a chance it will become more refined?

Then again some yet to be released games might not even have support for SLI so who knows?

 

Gamingphreek

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Ok we have a lot of fundamental errors here:

People keep bringing up how little SLI does. You seem to forget the small little tidbit about not every game supporting SLI. Nvidia must create a profile for SLI to be supported. Obviously if you lose or gain only 1 or 2 fps then SLI is not working for that game (The variation is well within the margin of error).

Next, drivers. All you hardcore ATI fans out there neglect the fact that their Linux drivers are NO MATCH for Nvidias. I do like how ATI releases new official drivers every month and i wish Nvidia would. Zakee you mention a slew of problems with HL2. So far i know of 2; both of which are fixed. The shiny grass is rumored to be fixed in the 71.84 revision (see drivers thread) and yellow water is supposedly fixed in 75.90. I dont know what other errors you are seeing.

Next, you say that ATI wins in overall performance or brute force. While this is true think about this. The MAX difference you will see is in HL2 and is ~17fps with settings maxed, however you are already in the playable range. All the other games are very close, with the X850XTPE winning in most of them by a small margin. Why trade cards for a 5% increase.

Features. Nvidia fans are saying they have a PVP SM3.0 32bit FP Precision, ATI fans are saying they have some Video Acceleration (through the pixel pipeline) and 3dc. The fact is that neither sides features are really used; however in the long run Nvidias features seem more useful. Not many games are planned to use 3dc, games in the future will use SM3.0 IIRC 32bit FP Precision is becoming mandatory for later version of DX. While the PVP isn't "working" in its entirety ATI's cards do almost the same exact thing only they use their exceptionally well refined Pixel Pipeline to do the hardware encode/decode.

This all boils down to how long are you keeping the card.If you plan to upgrade first thing next gen, then you might as well get the X850XTPE. However if you plan to wait a while the 6800U offers more than just brute force.

To address price... this is really a moot point. The Nvidia cards are available in much greater quantities at much closer to MSRP. Understandably so as ATI has also released a "fall" refresh whereas Nvidia has not so they have a lot more to cope with. You would be hard pressed to find a high end ATI card close to MSRP unless you got in on a lucky deal or sale.

I do notice a lot of people in this thread have no basis for their opinion and simply come in here to cause trouble:
Perfect example :
rollo = pwned

Stop trying to push SLi, your comparisons are only of those that ARE close. How about the other games where the x850xt pe kills the ultra?

end yourself.

Instead of just speaking the first thing that comes to your mind why dont you back up your opinions with some good evidence or at least some technological know-how.

Having said all this if you plan on upgrading immediately after the next gen cards are released then go ahead and go for the X850 however you might lose some features along the way. If you plan on sitting a while and not upgrading first thing the 6800U has a nicer feature set (ie more future proof as compared to the X850) but is a little slower.

-Kevin
 

Compddd

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X850XTPE since I play HL2DM everyday and its way more fun then that boring crap shoot Doom III, but I already have one sooooooo
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Compddd
X850XTPE since I play HL2DM everyday and its way more fun then that boring crap shoot Doom III, but I already have one sooooooo

Yeah, you couldn't play HL2DM on a 6800U, and there probably won't be any upcoming shooters based based on the Doom3 engine......


Good advice!

BTW- it's interesting how all this "hype" stuff like SM3 and SLI are implemented in ATIs upcoming products. I've got $10 that says guys who used to downplay these features will say they're good "now that ATI has done them right" and "now that SLI has had time to be developed" even though it will be public beta for ATI at that point and nVs SLI will have been in use 8 months or so. :roll:
 

inxane

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Originally posted by: Noob
The X800 XT is already better then the 6800 Ultra.

that's what I thought too... but if you look are "real benchmarks" all over the net, the 6800 ultra does better to the "eye" for image quality and speed over the ati series of cards except for HL2. This is only because of valve forcing nvidia cards to use much higher graphic settings that slow down the game alot and don't do ANYTHING for you in that game but slow it down. It's a load of crap if you ask me...

However, I play HL2 and enjoy the game so this card isn't doing it for me. If someone wants to trade there XT PE card for my new BFG Ultra OC. I started all this research when I bought the card, by the time it arrived... I wished I made a different decision. So there it sits, let me know.

 

inxane

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it's AGP, no need to go PCI-E on any card IMO... the hardware doesn't utilize it right now anyhow so i'm not going to upgrade my entire PC for it. Besides, SLI is a joke... not all games support as someone already stated, and anyone that is willing to spend close/around $1000 for video cards needs a serious reality check.

-Kevin
 

inxane

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Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
As far as I know all X850 cards are PCI-e at this point. Not sure if they'll be showing up in AGP form or not either.

it seems that you are correct, I can't find any either...


i'll trade for a x800 xt pe agp.

thanks,

-Kevin
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Compddd
X850XTPE since I play HL2DM everyday and its way more fun then that boring crap shoot Doom III, but I already have one sooooooo

Yeah, you couldn't play HL2DM on a 6800U, and there probably won't be any upcoming shooters based based on the Doom3 engine......


Good advice!

All he said is that HL2 plays better on the ATi card, and its true. Just as you implied that any Doom3 engine game will play better on the NV card, and thats true.

Looks as if most people think the X850XT/PE is the better card. Lots of informed people here...

 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Compddd
X850XTPE since I play HL2DM everyday and its way more fun then that boring crap shoot Doom III, but I already have one sooooooo

Yeah, you couldn't play HL2DM on a 6800U, and there probably won't be any upcoming shooters based based on the Doom3 engine......


Good advice!

All he said is that HL2 plays better on the ATi card, and its true. Just as you implied that any Doom3 engine game will play better on the NV card, and thats true.

Looks as if most people think the X850XT/PE is the better card. Lots of informed people here...


A lot of people willing to stick a lot of money into the 2002 feature set in 2005 doesn't fill me with hope Ackmed. Even the company you're championing is abandoning this partial DX9 feature set to implement the full DX9C feature set next month, why do you think that is?

Maybe they haven't heard about the return to single card, SM2 glory the rest of you apparently have.

Like I said, I have a X800XT PE, and it's a great card for gaming, but if I had to pick ONE card, it wouldn't be that one.

I'll take being able to check out SM3, Stencil shadows, HDR, and SLI any day over marginal fps victories that come at the expense of AF precision? ("trylinear")

BTW- I haven't looked into that lately? Did they ever make it so "Optimal Quality" turns off "trylinear" or is it still shoved down my throat?
 

Murd0ck

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By all means people, please stop buying the 6800U cards and buy up all those X850 XTPE!!

That X850XT runs hella fast and it appears tp play HL2 much better. Judging by the demo that game looks to have some kickass physics. I'm curious to see what the vehicles are like with the driving/flying physics.

Are there any mods for HL2 that have large scale maps with modern military vehicles like the DC mod for BF1942?

I hope BF2 is well done. All kidding aside, I just want those 6800U prices to tank..:laugh:
 
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