wow. 8800 + vista = THE SUCK

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
That post wasn't there when I opened the thread.

np

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

yes

Apparently not these ones.

And yes, they are for 97.92 but I can't edit the thread title.

the last post in that thread is 3 months old....

and while i don't doubt there are issues with certain titles, some of those are very minor and in such specific conditions that some may not even notice those... and most of the titles there are quite old to boot..

the games i've put in a considerable amt of time w/ the 8800 is CoH, WoW, R6:Vegas, and SupCom, and i've not experienced any issues.

others i have quickly checked are Q4, D3 & exp, Oblivion, BF2, Emp Earth 2, FEAR & Exp, HL2 & Ep1, Far Cry, & Sin Episodes. they all seemed to work fine, tho i certainly did not spend enough time in any of those to declare them "bug" free, but neither is my x1950...

Originally posted by: almach1
early adopter here too. the newest beta 101.41 drivers suck. Nvidia dll's keep recovering from fatal errors. switched back to 100.65 and they are fine. not as good as XP drivers. at least in XP you can OC and getter framrates.

i have 648/1000 set in the bios, so no issues with that

the only game i've tried in vista tho is texas hold 'em.. and it's unplayable. my general disappointment with vista goes beyond just nvidia gfx drivers tho. as i mentioned earlier, my audigy is not supported, took me some time to get nvraid working, etc.

perhaps i was too harsh on nv's gfx drivers, but the fact that animated wallpapers caused a BSOD and texas hold 'em was unplayable due to flashing textures, my 8800 was Ofer 2 with gfx related items i tried.. this also happened with 100.65, which is why i tried 101.41.

Originally posted by: lopri
CaiNam, roll back over to the 100.65 WHQL. I had a lot of problems with 101.41 which I never experienced with 100.64/100.65. I've heard that installing 101.41 over existing 100.65 is OK contrast to common belief, though. (instead of uninstalling previous drivers then installing the new ones)

thanks, i may try that.

Originally posted by: WhoBeDaPlaya
Not to fan any fanboy flames or anything, but this whole debacle has made me glad that I stuck of my X1900XT. Got it for $330 about a year ago, couldn't be happier

i'm glad you're happy; that's what counts. having both tho, i wouldn't go back despite the issues; i've enjoyed my GTS, and as i said, i have no issues with it when running XP.

 

[jim1976]

100.65.. WHQL and best in terms of stability thus far..

 

[chizow]

Unfortunately, I expect NV to get their Vista issues worked out before their outstanding XP bugs. In the long run it'll be the same result, a working driver, it'll just force me to move to Vista sooner.

XP drivers aren't as horrible as people are making them out to be. They're close enough that some actual attention could fix most of them. One has to wonder though how many bugs they claim are application issues or just them saying "we don't care enough to fix it".

Does look like they're working to get 1:1 fixed ASAP which is nice. Their approach makes sense though; they're clearly focusing on Vista support in preparation for their mainstream G8X line-up.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
Isn't 101.41 beta?

I'm having no problems with 100.65 in Home premium 64 bit. albeit the performance is still not quite there with XP, close though

Yep beta,I'm staying with the latest official ones,do remember XP has had almost 7 years of driver updates, so don't expect Vista to be right up there after only 6 weeks,however Nvidia has promised improvements and regular updates for Vista.

I'll say Vista is in a much better state then XP ever was when it was only 6 weeks old.

To be fair, the XP drivers are in a pretty sorry state of affairs as well. There's no six week excuse for that one. I'm sure nvidia will get their drivers worked out eventually, but since they don't even seem to be working on the XP drivers I'm not exactly excited about how they're handling things.

To be fair I'm using Vista x64 and the official Nvidia drivers are ok for my gaming,the only obvious thing is lack of Nvidia Control Panel features,to be expected for now.

I thought 101.41 fixed that problem for vista users. Its beta and some people complain about it, but there's at least an indication its being worked on. There's not even a beta driver for XP users in that situation though, or any indication one will be released any time soon.

 

[zephyrprime]

I would also like to add that applications other than games also suck. I don't have a g80 but I have a 7900gs in my htpc with 64bit vista ultimate and it also sucks. No vertical sync on dvd playback! WTF? Lacking vertical sync is a major blow to a htpc.

 

[apoppin]

what *boggles* my mind is that anyone is surprised




Every *single* MS OS release has been buggy till SP2 ... and WinME and BoB never got fixed
:lips:

 

[BFG10K]

the last post in that thread is 3 months old....

Untrue and irrelevant.

As for your game list, surely you didn't miss the fog issues in HL2? I'm replaying through the game right now and it's a total eye-sore.

nVidia claims it's the application but now I'm starting to wonder if it's just another excuse for not fixing it, just like their feeble excuses for poor Vista drivers.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

the last post in that thread is 3 months old....

Untrue and irrelevant.

As for your game list, surely you didn't miss the fog issues in HL2? I'm replaying through the game right now and it's a total eye-sore.

nVidia claims it's the application but now I'm starting to wonder if it's just another excuse for not fixing it, just like their feeble excuses for poor Vista drivers.

Yeah, really, why would it be the application if it was working with previous graphics cards? If we try it with a new card and it does not work, doesn't that mean that the card/drivers are at fault, not the game?

 

[imported_RedStar]

hours of gaming on vista 64 with 100.65 nvidia drivers.

23 games work well..including all steam games! Ima big fan of steam now
no re-entering keys ...no please insert disk ...downloading games i can no longer find cd for. Easy retrieval of forgotten pswd.

i have had just 1 bsod (in need for speed most wanted --where one of those frequent "stutters" became fatal.)

can't come out of hibernation (waiting for the beta to become certified)

I can't run moh: -Pa and gta: san andreas (version2.0)

but that is about it.

(well and the fact that epson promises to never support my perfection 2450 photo in vista

SO far...I love vista 64. It does feel like when i started using win 2000 (sp2) and everyone was complaining about the lack of open gl support and the need for wrappers

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
@Aberforth, if you check on the nVidia site it will tell you that 100.65 is a Beta driver.

Well, I checked, and I still see the word WHQL. If you're referring to the stupid we-are-not-responsible-for-these-drivers-in-any-way-shape-or-form disclaimer, that's truly an awful statement by nVidia, but it does not indicate that 100.65 is a beta driver. 100.64, on the other hand, was a beta driver because it was marked as Beta instead of as WHQL.

EDIT: Changed bold to italics--didn't want to appear rude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHQL_Testing

And from the nVidia site itself:

Beta driver for NVIDIA SLI? support for GeForce 8800 GTX/GTS GPUs

&

These NVIDA Windows Vista drivers are under development. This version is not fully optimized for full 3D performance and may not include all available features available on different operating systems. NVIDIA, along with the industry, is continuing to update its Windows Vista drivers to ensure maximum performance on 3D applications and add support for features. These drivers are provided "AS IS." NVIDIA MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND WHATSOVER AS TO MERCHANTABILITY, COMPATABILITY, PERFORMANCE, APPLICATION OR FUNCTION, AND DISCLAIMS ALL SUCH WARRANTIES TO THE FULLEST EXTENT ALLOWED BY LAW.


Now compare that to the 93.71 XP 7 Series Driver Page: http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_93.71.html

In other words Beta drivers can get WHQL Certification & still retain Beta status.

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
@Aberforth, if you check on the nVidia site it will tell you that 100.65 is a Beta driver.

Well, I checked, and I still see the word WHQL. If you're referring to the stupid we-are-not-responsible-for-these-drivers-in-any-way-shape-or-form disclaimer, that's truly an awful statement by nVidia, but it does not indicate that 100.65 is a beta driver. 100.64, on the other hand, was a beta driver because it was marked as Beta instead of as WHQL.

EDIT: Changed bold to italics--didn't want to appear rude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHQL_Testing

And from the nVidia site itself:

Beta driver for NVIDIA SLI? support for GeForce 8800 GTX/GTS GPUs

&

These NVIDA Windows Vista drivers are under development. This version is not fully optimized for full 3D performance and may not include all available features available on different operating systems. NVIDIA, along with the industry, is continuing to update its Windows Vista drivers to ensure maximum performance on 3D applications and add support for features. These drivers are provided "AS IS." NVIDIA MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND WHATSOVER AS TO MERCHANTABILITY, COMPATABILITY, PERFORMANCE, APPLICATION OR FUNCTION, AND DISCLAIMS ALL SUCH WARRANTIES TO THE FULLEST EXTENT ALLOWED BY LAW.


Now compare that to the 93.71 XP 7 Series Driver Page: http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_93.71.html

In other words Beta drivers can get WHQL Certification & still retain Beta status.

No, but it could easily be misconstrued that way.

First, nVidia puts either Beta Driver or WHQL Driver at the top of the page to indicate which driver packages are considered beta and which are considered stable. nVidia makes this call, and that's what they're (ostensibly) liable for in the context of this beta-drivers-are-unsupported discussion. Compare and contrast the 101.4-whatever driver page with the 100.65 driver page--it's in bold so you can't miss it.

Second, you're misquoting from the nVidia driver page. If you look at the bullet point above the one you quoted, you will see that only the 8800 GTS/GTX SLI driver is a beta. The others are WHQL. As nVidia has stated elsewhere, their Vista driver releases are comprised of six distinct drivers for various combinations of APIs and whether the driver is for SLI or single cards. Here it is in correct context:

Originally posted on nVidia's 100.65 driver page

• WHQL Certified driver for GeForce 8800, GeForce 7 series, and GeForce 6 series GPUs
• Beta driver for NVIDIA SLI? support for GeForce 8800 GTX/GTS GPUs

Third, the discussion of whether nVidia is using double-talk when they release a driver package categorized as WHQL as opposed to Beta and then post a ridiculous disclaimer is a separate issue, and I alluded to this earlier. If you want to take the discussion in this direction, that's fine. But it's not the original discussion, FWIW.