Wow, AMD put a heatpipe cooler on budget CPU

[coolpurplefan]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103272

OK, I understand the reason might be that it's 89 watts while the 65 watt models don't have it. But, I read several reviews there on newegg that they have the heatpipe heatsink. I'm almost jealous because I think those are easier to remove and light enough to move your computer around. Does anyone know if those AMD heatpipe coolers allow you to change the fan?

 

[faxon]

pics of cooler?

 

[VirtualLarry]

No, the fan is integrated into the heatsink. It's not removable.

The heatpipe coolers are nice, though. They perform well, don't take up much room. Check ebay for em.

 

[nyker96]

no pic?

 

[LOUISSSSS]

amd stock heatsinks were always good coolers, compared to the crappy intel sinks.

i'd rate my old AMD 4800+x2 stock heatsink with heatpipes = to the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro...

it was much easier to install over the crappy pushpins too!

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
amd stock heatsinks were always good coolers, compared to the crappy intel sinks.

i'd rate my old AMD 4800+x2 stock heatsink with heatpipes = to the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro...

it was much easier to install over the crappy pushpins too!

I agree. I liked the retainer clip design. Effective, simple, and quick.

 

[KingstonU]

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
amd stock heatsinks were always good coolers, compared to the crappy intel sinks.

i'd rate my old AMD 4800+x2 stock heatsink with heatpipes = to the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro...

it was much easier to install over the crappy pushpins too!

I agree. I liked the retainer clip design. Effective, simple, and quick.

I third that motion.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: KingstonU

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
amd stock heatsinks were always good coolers, compared to the crappy intel sinks.

i'd rate my old AMD 4800+x2 stock heatsink with heatpipes = to the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro...

it was much easier to install over the crappy pushpins too!

I agree. I liked the retainer clip design. Effective, simple, and quick.

I third that motion.

I had a plastic bracket on an AM2 mobo that broke when I've pressed the lever to secure the heatsink. It seemed that the plastic thingy had an air bubble that cause it to be weaker and brake.

The bottom line is that both Intel and AMD have problems with their stock cooler mounting mechanism, so you can't really say one design is better then the other, because I found both of them to suck.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103272

OK, I understand the reason might be that it's 89 watts while the 65 watt models don't have it. But, I read several reviews there on newegg that they have the heatpipe heatsink. I'm almost jealous because I think those are easier to remove and light enough to move your computer around. Does anyone know if those AMD heatpipe coolers allow you to change the fan?

Along each side of the heatsink is a continuous slot. There are two tabs on each side of a square bracket which ride in the slot and hold the fan in place.

If you slowly lift the tabs out of side one and then work side two in the same manner the bracket pops loose and frees up the fan.

The stock fan is a Foxconn 70 x 70 x 15mm.

The overall assembly is the latest version of the old Opty copper heatpipe coolers - except there are 2 copper heatpipes instead of 4 copper heatpipes (I think some later versions of the Opty HSF had 2 copper heatpipes). The 'fins' on the new version are taller and have more surface area - and there appear to be more of the fins.

The stock AMD copper heatpipe cooler and retention mechanism beats Intel's push pins hands down. It's not even a contest and you don't have to worry about whether that last push pin actually locked or not ....

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
No, the fan is integrated into the heatsink. It's not removable.

The heatpipe coolers are nice, though. They perform well, don't take up much room. Check ebay for em.

I did get around the stock (70mm?) fan. Just for the hell of it, I had a 120mm fan laying around and wanted to see if there would be better performance with it. So, I bought a fan adapter from svc.com (they're cheap, around $3-$4) and went to work. Here is what I ended up with:

Adapter on top of heatsink.

Another of the adapter mounted.

120mm fan on adapter, on heatsink.

Everything mounted and working.

Having the big fan didn't drop my temps all that much, I didn't do real scientific tests, but from what I saw it looked like a ~3C drop on average. But, because I had the 120mm fan on a controller I was able to run it at near silent speeds, while still having that minor drop in temps. So, it worked out for me as a cheap, do it yourself job.

Sorry for the size of the pics, no time to resize them right now.

 

[wolf2009]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
amd stock heatsinks were always good coolers, compared to the crappy intel sinks.

i'd rate my old AMD 4800+x2 stock heatsink with heatpipes = to the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro...

it was much easier to install over the crappy pushpins too!

ya i was surprised at how good they looked when i saw one

 

[ultra laser]

I am not surprised by this. Higher clock X2 chips are quite hot.

 

[nyker96]

I think both AMD/Intel should just contract a off market vendor to do a proper HSF for them that's comparable to aftermarket. BTW, the stock opty 165 HSF with heatpipes on a friend's rig is pretty nice too.

 

[faxon]

Originally posted by: nyker96
I think both AMD/Intel should just contract a off market vendor to do a proper HSF for them that's comparable to aftermarket. BTW, the stock opty 165 HSF with heatpipes on a friend's rig is pretty nice too.

the reason they dont is because the HSF they use on their chips is as cheap as they can make it. see, the average user may not mind spending another $20 to get a better HSF than stock, but if you are selling to corporate buyers, who make up a big chunk of prebuilt PCs sold, which use stock hardware, that $20 is going to add up REALLY fast, and will be a deterrent for anyone who is buying in bulk. on the flip side of things, if they were to ship their chips with good aftermarket heatsinks, they might save a lot of money in RMA costs due to chips overheating because the stock HSF blows chunks, so who knows, maybe they will change their policy sometime soon.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Man, that's not the only thing, what about the darn noise? I just saw that a Nexus 70mm fan DOES exist so at least there's hope for people who can't stand that noise. It's almost sad when you build a new computer and are all happy about it until you realize the 70mm fan makes so much noise you don't want to turn on the computer.

 

[Zap]

Welcome to three years ago. Well, okay, back then these same CPUs were big bucks, but they still need the cooling.

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan
Does anyone know if those AMD heatpipe coolers allow you to change the fan?

I've got a few that use 80mm fans. Not very difficult to swap.

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: faxon

Originally posted by: nyker96
I think both AMD/Intel should just contract a off market vendor to do a proper HSF for them that's comparable to aftermarket. BTW, the stock opty 165 HSF with heatpipes on a friend's rig is pretty nice too.

the reason they dont is because the HSF they use on their chips is as cheap as they can make it. see, the average user may not mind spending another $20 to get a better HSF than stock, but if you are selling to corporate buyers, who make up a big chunk of prebuilt PCs sold, which use stock hardware, that $20 is going to add up REALLY fast, and will be a deterrent for anyone who is buying in bulk. on the flip side of things, if they were to ship their chips with good aftermarket heatsinks, they might save a lot of money in RMA costs due to chips overheating because the stock HSF blows chunks, so who knows, maybe they will change their policy sometime soon.

I always thought corp buyers buys either whole machine or just upgrade OEM parts. Isn't all the retail packaging consumer parts?

also from a profit point of view, intel could in theory up the voltages and clock their chips at a faster rating if they can pair it up with better HSF.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: nyker96
also from a profit point of view, intel could in theory up the voltages and clock their chips at a faster rating if they can pair it up with better HSF.

They can, but they don't need to. As long as their chips are the best, they'll just keep going up safely and incrementally. There was a time that Intel was feeling the heat, back when the original Athlon went to socket A. Intel's rapid response was their Pentium III 1.13GHz Coppermine chip, which was a disaster and ended up being recalled.