WoW: Best race for a Warlock?

[gtsukada]

56 gnome warlock, although high lv warlocks are uncommon don't expect to be invited to a lot of high lv instances. a majority of the time people will be looking for healers, tanks, or mages. consider warlocks a solo class you play for yourself and not for a particular use in a group.



forgot to say
undead warlock or gnome warlock are your best choices.

 

[mryellow2]

Actually I prefer a warlock over a 2nd mage in any raid groups I start. They have cc (charm) and ae as well as debuffs for arcane, shadow, fire and cold. Most importantly they can cast soul stone resurrection on a druid/priest. SSR is extremely useful in case of raid wipes so that you don't have to start over from the beginning. If competent lvl60 warlocks weren't so hard to find I'd have one in every raid group.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: gtsukada
56 gnome warlock, although high lv warlocks are uncommon don't expect to be invited to a lot of high lv instances. a majority of the time people will be looking for healers, tanks, or mages. consider warlocks a solo class you play for yourself and not for a particular use in a group.



forgot to say
undead warlock or gnome warlock are your best choices.

Anyone that think this is feaking crazy...
Warlocks are a key class almost for anything that requires a raid...
Soulstones on the Palys are mandatory to keep the group from wiping out.
4 warlocks in a raid = 4 palys that are instant ressed to get the healers back up...

Warlocks are extremely valuable to raid guilds and if you are finding that your guild doesnt use your talents find one that will..

Summons extremely valuble also for pvp/raids get a team to your location in seconds instead of minutes

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gtsukada
56 gnome warlock, although high lv warlocks are uncommon don't expect to be invited to a lot of high lv instances. a majority of the time people will be looking for healers, tanks, or mages. consider warlocks a solo class you play for yourself and not for a particular use in a group.



forgot to say
undead warlock or gnome warlock are your best choices.

Anyone that think this is feaking crazy...
Warlocks are a key class almost for anything that requires a raid...
Soulstones on the Palys are mandatory to keep the group from wiping out.
4 warlocks in a raid = 4 palys that are instant ressed to get the healers back up...

Warlocks are extremely valuable to raid guilds and if you are finding that your guild doesnt use your talents find one that will..

Summons extremely valuble also for pvp/raids get a team to your location in seconds instead of minutes

agreed

 

[MrBond]

Has anyone see any benefit from the human stealth detection skill? I didn't even know I had it...

It's been useful twice for me, in 34 levels. Both times I wouldn't say it's been greatly useful.

First time was killing those Fen Creepers in the Wetlands. I used it once then.

Second time, I was fishing in Theramore Harbor. I saw an enemy rogue swimming deep in the water, he was my level so I kept my mana sheild up in case he tried to pull something funny. He left me alone initially - I don't think he saw me. I was fishing away, watching for him, and I saw him stealth off to the side of me. I immediatly targeted him for polymorph, but he got stealthed before I could cast it. I jumped up to the docks and hit "perception", then I heard the "unstealth" sound. I checked my combat log and saw it was a different rogue. I freaked out, because one mage versus two rogues = death for me. Hit my "panic button" (frost nova) and blinked toward town. Frost nova breaks stealth, plus it froze them both. One of them broke it pretty quickly (Spider Belt maybe) and chased me, until about 7 guards started running our direction. They turned tail and ran - in retrospect I should have frost bolted him so the guards caught up to him, but I was more worried about saving my own ass then killing him.

So I guess the second time it was pretty useful. I'd have never seen the second rogue otherwise and he probably would have killed me while I was casting pyroblast (had I successfully sheeped his friend).

Also, Mwilding, remember that if you attack the enemy faction while you're in non-contested territory, they can attack you. If their name is yellow, don't bother them unless you're sure you can beat them. If their name is red, they can attack you at will. In Alliance lands, you have to attack first before they can attack you.

 

[gtsukada]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gtsukada
56 gnome warlock, although high lv warlocks are uncommon don't expect to be invited to a lot of high lv instances. a majority of the time people will be looking for healers, tanks, or mages. consider warlocks a solo class you play for yourself and not for a particular use in a group.



forgot to say
undead warlock or gnome warlock are your best choices.

Anyone that think this is feaking crazy...
Warlocks are a key class almost for anything that requires a raid...
Soulstones on the Palys are mandatory to keep the group from wiping out.
4 warlocks in a raid = 4 palys that are instant ressed to get the healers back up...

Warlocks are extremely valuable to raid guilds and if you are finding that your guild doesnt use your talents find one that will..

Summons extremely valuble also for pvp/raids get a team to your location in seconds instead of minutes

agreed

i believe everything you say, i love my warlock dearly. it's just a pain in the ass convincing other people that you are that important.

CVSiN is also very correct be sure to find a guild that can utilize your talents. my sorry ass guild can't really do crap, probably the reason for my discontent. grrrrrrrr

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: gtsukada

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gtsukada
56 gnome warlock, although high lv warlocks are uncommon don't expect to be invited to a lot of high lv instances. a majority of the time people will be looking for healers, tanks, or mages. consider warlocks a solo class you play for yourself and not for a particular use in a group.



forgot to say
undead warlock or gnome warlock are your best choices.

Anyone that think this is feaking crazy...
Warlocks are a key class almost for anything that requires a raid...
Soulstones on the Palys are mandatory to keep the group from wiping out.
4 warlocks in a raid = 4 palys that are instant ressed to get the healers back up...

Warlocks are extremely valuable to raid guilds and if you are finding that your guild doesnt use your talents find one that will..

Summons extremely valuble also for pvp/raids get a team to your location in seconds instead of minutes

agreed

i believe everything you say, i love my warlock dearly. it's just a pain in the ass convincing other people that you are that important.

CVSiN is also very correct be sure to find a guild that can utilize your talents. my sorry ass guild can't really do crap, probably the reason for my discontent. grrrrrrrr

I agree with CVSiN, but about 85% of everyone on the servers do not realize that warlocks are important and consider warlocks "group filler" at best. All they want us to do is ritual summon their friends from other places to where they are. Then they they kick us out of the group when a Mage, Warrior, or Priest comes along wanting to do the same quest.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: gtsukada

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: gtsukada
56 gnome warlock, although high lv warlocks are uncommon don't expect to be invited to a lot of high lv instances. a majority of the time people will be looking for healers, tanks, or mages. consider warlocks a solo class you play for yourself and not for a particular use in a group.



forgot to say
undead warlock or gnome warlock are your best choices.

Anyone that think this is feaking crazy...
Warlocks are a key class almost for anything that requires a raid...
Soulstones on the Palys are mandatory to keep the group from wiping out.
4 warlocks in a raid = 4 palys that are instant ressed to get the healers back up...

Warlocks are extremely valuable to raid guilds and if you are finding that your guild doesnt use your talents find one that will..

Summons extremely valuble also for pvp/raids get a team to your location in seconds instead of minutes

agreed

i believe everything you say, i love my warlock dearly. it's just a pain in the ass convincing other people that you are that important.

CVSiN is also very correct be sure to find a guild that can utilize your talents. my sorry ass guild can't really do crap, probably the reason for my discontent. grrrrrrrr

I agree with CVSiN, but about 85% of everyone on the servers do not realize that warlocks are important and consider warlocks "group filler" at best. All they want us to do is ritual summon their friends from other places to where they are. Then they they kick us out of the group when a Mage, Warrior, or Priest comes along wanting to do the same quest.

Well if you are near L60 and on Gorefiend my guild Sinister is looking for more good locks,

 

[Hadsus]

I don't think we are all that valuable in groups. Sure you can summon group members or make soulstones.....and sometimes you can make yourself real useful and cast curse of tongues. But we don't heal and we don't do damage. We are very situational which makes us a throw-in rather than an important group cog.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
I don't think we are all that valuable in groups. Sure you can summon group members or make soulstones.....and sometimes you can make yourself real useful and cast curse of tongues. But we don't heal and we don't do damage. We are very situational which makes us a throw-in rather than an important group cog.

Welp our locks do plenty of damage...
dunno what ya doing wrong bro...

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Hadsus
I don't think we are all that valuable in groups. Sure you can summon group members or make soulstones.....and sometimes you can make yourself real useful and cast curse of tongues. But we don't heal and we don't do damage. We are very situational which makes us a throw-in rather than an important group cog.

Welp our locks do plenty of damage...
dunno what ya doing wrong bro...

agreed, we are about DOTs we can do great DPS with them but we can not do OMG I CRIT AT 300 DAMAGE! type things. Demon armor at higher levels and the ability to drain life actually makes us good tanks for our succubas

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Hadsus
I don't think we are all that valuable in groups. Sure you can summon group members or make soulstones.....and sometimes you can make yourself real useful and cast curse of tongues. But we don't heal and we don't do damage. We are very situational which makes us a throw-in rather than an important group cog.

Welp our locks do plenty of damage...
dunno what ya doing wrong bro...

agreed, we are about DOTs we can do great DPS with them but we can not do OMG I CRIT AT 300 DAMAGE! type things. Demon armor at higher levels and the ability to drain life actually makes us good tanks for our succubas

Warlocks are another victim of the "perfect group" mentality, which says that only warriors, priests, and mages are viable characters in high level instances. It's sad to say, but your only solution is find an open minded guild and stick with them.

 

[Hadsus]

Our DoTs work slow and we have no nukes.......look at our DPS and compare it with any other class. The good thing about our class is that we are mana efficient and have a ton of utility spells. The bad thing is that we level slow because we kill slow with DoTs.....at least if you specialize in affliction which is easily the most common talent tree used by Warlocks. And it's the bad thing that makes us of secondary importance in groups because mobs typically die *fast*. That's just the way it is folks.....that's how it's been for 40 levels for me.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Our DoTs work slow and we have no nukes.......look at our DPS and compare it with any any other class. The good thing about our class is that we are mana efficient and have a ton of utility spells. The bad thing is that we level slow because we kill slow with DoTs.....at least if you specialize in affliction which is easily the most common talent tree used by Warlocks. And it's the bad thing that makes us of secondary importance in groups because mobs typically die *fast*. That's just the way it is folks.....that's how it's been for 40 levels for me.

are you kidding me man?
warlocks were some of the very first L60s on any server....

Warlocks kill very fast.. stack your dots use your pet and you do have shadow bolt to DD...

first L60s on our server were Warlocks and Hunters.... in under 2 weeks after release.

Ive been leveling to 60 with a lock.. he can solo 500% better than I can as a combat rogue.. he is just as fast killing stuff as a well equipped hunter and he never gets touched.

he made 60 5 days sooner than me because of it..

one of my L20 alts is also a lock... and I kill pretty damn fast now... and I dont even have the good pets yet. 1-10 is the worst time in a warlocks career...

again warlocks are absolutly key to raids at higher level... dont ever let them tell you you arnt...

a good lock always has a spot in my group...

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Our DoTs work slow and we have no nukes.......look at our DPS and compare it with any any other class. The good thing about our class is that we are mana efficient and have a ton of utility spells. The bad thing is that we level slow because we kill slow with DoTs.....at least if you specialize in affliction which is easily the most common talent tree used by Warlocks. And it's the bad thing that makes us of secondary importance in groups because mobs typically die *fast*. That's just the way it is folks.....that's how it's been for 40 levels for me.

i dont know what you are talking about, shadowbolt, shadowburn, death coil are all nukes

curses in group play are extremely valuable. CoT on ranged casters cuts their impact in half on the group, CoR keeps mobs from running and aggroing others, CoA does substantial damage agains bosses that take a while to take take down.

when i solo at lvl 42 i average 50dps. this is comparable with other classes. the strength of the warlock is, thats 50-75 dps against ONE bad guy. i can attack as many as i feel I can take on and get 50-75 against EACH one. when you do the math, we are quite powerful. Other classes may do more, but they can only tackle one at a time.

 

[Hadsus]

Shadowbolt? Your kidding, right? Do you not play with other classes at all? Mage, rank 6 fireblast=433 damage. Warlock, rank 6 shadowbolt=230 damage. And lets not even get into recast time. Shadowburn is a destruction talent and it costs one soul shard if you don't kill the enemy.....re-read my post and I specify the affliction tree which is what most Warlocks use.

Look, I'm trying to be honest about Warlocks....it is my main character. It is not a DPS machine, not even close. I've been in scads of groups and instances and all I know is that my immolates, curses, etc. do jack squat damage in the life of a typical target. And when I strike with a shadowbolt I can barely see the health bar move. There is a reason why they are not considered among the best group members......you can ignore my explanations if you like.

And, BTW, CVsin, Warlocks killing fast???? I don't know what to say. Except that alot changes in the later levels.....you have only a level 20 warlock alt which is not enough experience for you to make a judgement. I duo-ed with Pallys and with mages alot and I can tell you that sometimes I feel sick that I can't help out more with regard to damage. I will say this though......I don't die very often.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Shadowbolt? Your kidding, right? Do you not play with other classes at all? Mage, rank 6 fireblast=433 damage. Warlock, rank 6 shadowbolt=230 damage. And lets not even get into recast time. Shadowburn is a destruction talent and it costs one soul shard if you don't kill the enemy.....re-read my post and I specify the affliction tree which is what most Warlocks use.

Look, I'm trying to be honest about Warlocks....it is my main character. It is not a DPS machine, not even close. I've been in scads of groups and instances and all I know is that my immolates, curses, etc. do jack squat damage in the life of a typical target. And when I strike with a shadowbolt I can barely see the health bar move. There is a reason why they are not considered among the best group members......you can ignore my explanations if you like.

And, BTW, CVsin, Warlocks killing fast???? I don't know what to say. Except that alot changes in the later levels.....you have only a level 20 warlock alt which is not enough experience for you to make a judgement. I duo-ed with Pallys and with mages alot and I can tell you that sometimes I feel sick that I can't help out more with regard to damage. I will say this though......I don't die very often.

Well I have come to the conclusion you are a very poor warlock if this is how you play...
I was not talking about my warlock.. but all of our L60 warlocks..
they soloed through 40-60 faster than any other class except a hunter...

Our guild warlocks made it to 60 within the first 2 weeks of live..

the reroll twinked warlocks are making it to 60 in under a week...

find lower HP mobs and grind on them... you will kill them super fast...
and not take damage...
when you get your uber pets you will have no problems at all.

as for damage only 200 on a nuke? oh wah boo freaking hoo...
with crit talents you hit harder than my base strike on my wep still..
you really need to get a clue... with your attitude and not knowing how to fully utilize your charaters talents and abilities its a wonder you can get a group at all..

like I said.. a "well played lock" is crucial to any raid group and is VERY beneficial to any small group...
pet mezzes pet tank great damage over time... curses... and healthstones and soulstones...
VERY IMPORTANT GROUP MEMBER...

 

[torpid]

Well one thing worth noting is that warlocks probably have a big advantage in terms of levelling speed from 40-45 due to getting a free pet. You'd think it would be the same with paladins, but paladins start to get diminishing returns above 40 as their DPS no longer stays in line with other classes. As a 40+ hunter and a 40+ paladin who plays with a 40+ warlock, I can see where cvisn is coming from. 40+ things start to change. The warlock still holds his own, though runs out of mana only slightly slower than a mage. The hunter is still a machine, with little downtime, though the pet is becoming weaker. A paladin still lasts a long time, but takes forever to kill things (especially with the SoC change which reduced my average hit from 90-100 to 40-50 damage).

I have yet to see what a 40+ druid is like. I'll be curious if the jack of all trades, master of none still works out.

 

[rstove02]

While we're on the discussion of warlocks.....which weapon type should be used with them?
One handed sword or dagger with an offhand +magic orb or such or staves?

 

[Hadsus]

Couldn't care less how fast your guildies got to 60 as a warlock. You spend all your waking hours playing the game and you can do the same with a priest. It's a falacious argument on your part. And I'm supposed to be impressed that your guild has got guys that have gone to 0 to 60 in one week? Really, is that something to brag about? Go tell it to an addiction counselor for God's sake. These are not people I want to be like.

About playing the warlock poorly there is no rocket science to damage. The challenge is managing mobs properly with the myriad of spells you get. Everything from Dots to debuffs to DDs....the warlock gets a ton of spells but damage is damage. I would think that someone that has played as many toons as you would know better....then again, you have your warlock at only level 20 so you are not even in a position to comment. And if you grouped enough as a warlock in a full group you would know that our dots gets pushed out of the damage queue on mobs quickly by abilities and spells of others....so all that's left is direct damage which the warlock sorely lacks compared to other classes.

Dots are suppose to work slow....in exchange you get mana efficiency. Mages burn mana and do a considerable amount of damage in a short time. That's the way it is in MMORPGs and thats the way its always been. When you have a full group often pounding just one or two mobs, they die quickly. The slow functioning Warlock Dots are not well suited for this circumstance. You don't understand and I can't help that.

 

[torpid]

No one is saying the warlock is champion of damage. What they are saying is that they offer good damage, incredible amounts of utility, and can survive quite well solo. I would certainly take a warlock over a hunter in a group any day of the week. And that's coming from a level 45 hunter. I probably would like to have a mage over a warlock if what I need is damage and crowd control. But a warlock will be a decent second choice. If what I need is utility along with moderate damage and occasional crowd control, then the warlock is a good choice. Also, a warlock will probably be a little more durable than a mage in a sticky situation. And stones are a lot more useful than water and bread.

 

[GasX]

Warlocks are very very utilitarian in groups. With the Voidwalker and Succubus, you can off-tank and/or seduce for good crowd control, you can cast a soulstone on the rezzer to negate a wipe, you can hand out healthstones like they are candy, you can slam bunched up mobs with great AOE, you can prevent/control runners with Curse of Recklessness, you can summon group member to your location, you can add decent DPS.

In a 5 man group vs. 1 enemy, a Warlock is not the best damage dealer
In a 5 man group vs. 3-5 enemies, a Warlock shines.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Hadsus
Couldn't care less how fast your guildies got to 60 as a warlock. You spend all your waking hours playing the game and you can do the same with a priest. It's a falacious argument on your part. And I'm supposed to be impressed that your guild has got guys that have gone to 0 to 60 in one week? Really, is that something to brag about? Go tell it to an addiction counselor for God's sake. These are not people I want to be like.

About playing the warlock poorly there is no rocket science to damage. The challenge is managing mobs properly with the myriad of spells you get. Everything from Dots to debuffs to DDs....the warlock gets a ton of spells but damage is damage. I would think that someone that has played as many toons as you would know better....then again, you have your warlock at only level 20 so you are not even in a position to comment. And if you grouped enough as a warlock in a full group you would know that our dots gets pushed out of the damage queue on mobs quickly by abilities and spells of others....so all that's left is direct damage which the warlock sorely lacks compared to other classes.

Dots are suppose to work slow....in exchange you get mana efficiency. Mages burn mana and do a considerable amount of damage in a short time. That's the way it is in MMORPGs and thats the way its always been. When you have a full group often pounding just one or two mobs, they die quickly. The slow functioning Warlock Dots are not well suited for this circumstance. You don't understand and I can't help that.

Your problem is you are too focused on what damage "you" do...
you forget that your pet is also doign damage ... usally way more than you.. this is the balance...
your curses and your pet and the dots that do stick on a mob are all contributing to damage... you are not a mage so dotn compare your damage to one...

that is all a mage has.. you have your pets as well as dots and debuffs... focus on what you do well not what you do badly..

this game is about teamwork.. no single class is the hero...
a rogue or mage while doing incredible damage is super fragile and die alot...

a warlock/paly while not doing a craload of damage have super high survivability...and are exteremely group friendly..

 

[Hadsus]

Well, thanks for all the props boys........I'll have to cut 'n paste all of it into macros next time I'm shut outta groups.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

i think you are probably being shut out for your poor attitude or a lack of skill. at 43 i have never been shut out of a group.