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Charmonium

Diamond Member
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Gold is up $200 over the past year or so. Platinum has been on a roller coaster and was flat until recently. Now that's up about $100 points.

Maybe electroplate some of those bean babies and target two markets at the same time.
 
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ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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Prices are doing pretty good so far, at least on the positive side.
When you saw all the "I told you so" crowd coming out of the woodwork, it was sign the temporary bottom was near and reversal was coming. Bitcoin is not dying without a fight and I still see one major pop to the upside before this thing dies for real.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
Jan 3, 2001
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Prices are doing pretty good so far, at least on the positive side.

Every trend I've seen for the last 3 years shows cryptos crash every January, and bounce back by April/May, boom at the end of the year, then everyone cashes out again after Christmas.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Every trend I've seen for the last 3 years shows cryptos crash every January, and bounce back by April/May, boom at the end of the year, then everyone cashes out again after Christmas.

isn't the difference this time:

there will be less potential buyers to pick up the pieces
there will be less potential funding sources to pick up the pieces
there is lots more supply due to tons of miners/competition/shitcoins?

?
 

KIAman

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Every trend I've seen for the last 3 years shows cryptos crash every January, and bounce back by April/May, boom at the end of the year, then everyone cashes out again after Christmas.

My theory is that this is a self fulfilling prophecy. People saw this pattern and have timed their buys and sells and time the market and over the years this pattern has been set in stone, LOL.
 
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DaveSimmons

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Aug 12, 2001
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isn't the difference this time:

there will be less potential buyers to pick up the pieces
there will be less potential funding sources to pick up the pieces
there is lots more supply due to tons of miners/competition/shitcoins?

?

I expect that to matter eventually but coins might have another good year before the End Times because the ignorant sheep are still wide-eyed about the "Crypto Billionaires" and the chance for them to get rich quick too. Tulip mania might be reaching a peak but it isn't over yet.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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Crypto are holding steady and climbing even little in face of stock market downturn. Very positive sign.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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holding steady at 50% of high. lol.
Actually that's very encouraging. I'm using dotcom as a template for crypto. One of my question was where we were at with the whole crypto bubble cycle. '98-99 or March 2000? Based on the price action, I'm more inclined to believe we're at '98-99 rather than March 2000. If it's March 2000, people need to rush for the exit even at 50% off the high.
 

Zeze

Lifer
Mar 4, 2011
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Actually that's very encouraging. I'm using dotcom as a template for crypto. One of my question was where we were at with the whole crypto bubble cycle. '98-99 or March 2000? Based on the price action, I'm more inclined to believe we're at '98-99 rather than March 2000. If it's March 2000, people need to rush for the exit even at 50% off the high.
I think crypto has many many years ahead of it. It's not gonna disappear.

As for BaaS like VeChain, it's many many many years. In the grand scheme of things, we're all early and may make great returns later in years.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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I think crypto has many many years ahead of it. It's not gonna disappear.

As for BaaS like VeChain, it's many many many years. In the grand scheme of things, we're all early and may make great returns later in years.
I disagree 100% but I've been wrong plenty of times. I'm just curious bystander with no skin in the game. I'm here for the entertainment.
 
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Charmonium

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May 15, 2015
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Crypto definitely has potential. It's really quite an achievement to have an open system that's unhackable. Except it's only unhackable in the technical sense. To use it, you need military level security or you're vulnerable. Either that or you have to keep your keys offline. However developing a dedicated device that is secure should be pretty easy once the demand is there.

The real problems are practical ones. You need a system that can do things like reverse transactions, freeze accounts, execute simple contracts, hold escrow, etc. I'm not sure anything out there can do everything that would be necessary for crypto to go truly mainstream like Visa or Moneygram.
 

Zeze

Lifer
Mar 4, 2011
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Crypto definitely has potential. It's really quite an achievement to have an open system that's unhackable. Except it's only unhackable in the technical sense. To use it, you need military level security or you're vulnerable. Either that or you have to keep your keys offline. However developing a dedicated device that is secure should be pretty easy once the demand is there.

The real problems are practical ones. You need a system that can do things like reverse transactions, freeze accounts, execute simple contracts, hold escrow, etc. I'm not sure anything out there can do everything that would be necessary for crypto to go truly mainstream like Visa or Moneygram.

Why is everyone keep ignoring the BaaS aspect of crypto? This has nothing to Do with currency.

I mean look at ripple. It's a financial product for banks.

This being a tech forum I expected you guys to know a bit more beyond bitcoin.
 

Charmonium

Diamond Member
May 15, 2015
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Why is everyone keep ignoring the BaaS aspect of crypto? This has nothing to Do with currency.

I mean look at ripple. It's a financial product for banks.

This being a tech forum I expected you guys to know a bit more beyond bitcoin.
We know. It's just not what forums tend to focus on.
 

DaveSimmons

Elite Member
Aug 12, 2001
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I'm repeating myself, but the BaaS money will probably go to Amazon, Google and Microsoft in the long run. Why set up a blockchain with (little startup company) when you're already using AWS for all of your off-premises compute services and they offer an integrated version?

I still predict some of the existing coins and little blockchain services will wither away while many will implode completely. The question is when the general public will stop pouring money down the holes.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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I'm repeating myself, but the BaaS money will probably go to Amazon, Google and Microsoft in the long run. Why set up a blockchain with (little startup company) when you're already using AWS for all of your off-premises compute services and they offer an integrated version?

I still predict some of the existing coins and little blockchain services will wither away while many will implode completely. The question is when the general public will stop pouring money down the holes.

What is more likely is that the big cloud players will adopt/purchase some BaaS platform.

That's how the big players tend to get so big; while they are innovating in their own right, they are also gobbling up the smaller fish to incorporate into their growing portfolios.

And there are always upsets, always. Big players don't do something, and you see small players come out of the woodwork and out-innovate. Look at any tech sector, and you'll surely see some big players who were once small fish, and they've either succeeded on their own merits, they've partnered with the big fish, or they've been gobbled up but retain their own branding.

Never bet everything on the big players, they is always something they get beat to and just can't scramble fast enough to produce a competing product. Every sector has these stories.

Now the vast majority of cryptos will most certainly fail, because many of them are far too specialized when competing platforms can easily handle that as a niche as well as countless others. I think we may see one or two cryptocurrencies truly prevail, especially if they get some big technical wins (like Monero potentially adopting zk-stark) ahead of the competition; but for the utility tokens, I can see a handful of the best not only surviving, but dominating, through contracts, partnerships, etc. Upstarts have a way of out-maneuvering the incumbents due to the fact that a company the size of Microsoft or Amazon might take too long to truly compete.

And true decentralization may just be a hot topic for some utility tokens - centralization affords certain benefits to be sure, but some platforms may find a centralized blockchain to be less of a match for what they want.
 

OverVolt

Lifer
Aug 31, 2002
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Honestly the best way to play these is like a penny stock. As soon as cryptos get into real money territory, I get scared off personally.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Define real money?

A majority have been in "real money" stage for quite a while by my reckoning, both in total valuation and per [whole-coin] price. The fascinating difference is the degree of divisibility of a single crypto coin or token. So it really depends upon what metric you are looking at. I mean, Bitcoin entered real money territory when it was worth dollars and not pennies. I got into the crypto game way too late because I too was scared off, thinking there wasn't a chance in hell any of these things stuck around for awhile. And then I missed the ETH boat because I didn't like the way it sounded though it was ETH and XMR making moves that got me into the market, but I hadn't truly invested for some time after that.
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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Buy stocks in HydroOne, my first Ethereum rig just went online last night.



Totally late to the party though. Only have 2 cards mining. They're too hard to get and too expensive right now. I figure at least a year ROI. If all fails, at least I have a rig I can re purpose for something else.
 
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